http://www.gop.com/Indiana.htm

For all those alleged poor folks who can't afford an Id, the Id's in Indiana are free. Are there really lots of folks running around without a valid form of identification ? I don't think so. Sounds like a red herring argument to me.

For all the elderly and disabled people (every one of whom I've ever known HAS had an Id, it's essential for them), if they can't get around to get an Id, how are they getting around to the polls ? There is still a means to submit an absentee ballot under voter id law. Red herring number two dispatched.

For the disingenuous argument promoted here that there is no voter fraud in Indiana, I say, how the heck would you know if there was voter fraud or not in Indiana, since voter fraud is the easiest thing in the world to pull off WITHOUT SOME MEANS OF IDENTIFYING THE VOTERS !!! It could be rampant and we wouldn't know, or it could be rare, it doesn't matter, the point is, voter Id IS THE MEANS TO PREVENT IT. I'm glad our banks don't have the same loose rules regarding Id as the anti-voter id folks here do regarding voting, or banks would be getting ripped off left and right. Maybe Indiana is the only state in the union where all the voters are too honest and upstanding to engage in vote fraud, but I kinda doubt it.

I'm also pretty sure voter id doesn't apply only to Democrats. It applies to Republicans as well, but somehow Republican voters aren't finding the law too restrictive. Imagine that.

You anti-id'ers might want to check out this site, which discusses how woefully outdated the Indiana voter rolls are:

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/73758.html

First, to those of you complaining about the disabled, the elderly, and the poor without a car, how are those people going to the polls to vote in the first place ? I'm afraid I don't know any people who don't have some form of id, which, btw, are FREE in Indiana.

Second, regarding evidence of voter id fraud in Indiana, it is beside the point anyway, but if you folks want to think Indiana is the only state in the country where voter fraud never occurs, go right ahead, but it's a disingenuous argument. The idea of voter id is to PREVENT vote fraud through false voter registrations. Since people aren't required to produce id when they vote, how can voter fraud even be proven ? It could be rampant in Indiana and we'd never know it, because it's a snap to pull it off without some form of verification.

But if you want some examples of Indiana voter fraud, here are some:

http://www.kpcnews.com/articles/2008/01/09/news/today/evening_star/doc478441f2313a5420740819.txt

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2006/12/31/news/top_news/a3920b428e23380086257255000b14e6.txt

Stop bellyaching. Everybody has ups and downs in their career. I did, but I never boo-hooed about it on the Internet or anywhere else.

And more to the point, irrespective of your employment situation, the Dims have this propensity to lie and cheat in elections at all levels. Your wishing that this wasn't so does not change the reality.

One reason the Dims cheat is because, since the Dims are the party of big government, they seem to feel they have a natural right to be in control of government. So in their mind, anything they do to win elections is right and just. Again, that is just in "their minds."

As for your employment prospects, they will be greatly diminished if either Comrade Hillary or B. Hussein Obama get elected and implement their tax hiking programs [that is, unless you're planning to get a government job; the Dims will always grow them].

Leftist policies of 'soaking the rich' are counter-productive for the economy. They curtail job creation and hurt the economy.

Here's the equation. Capitalism creates wealth while socialism steals from capitalism and creates misery, shortages, and grief.

So play it smart, Frank. Vote the Republican line in November.

Thanks for explaining "caging". http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/29/tuesday-political-stuff/#comment-3134

And good luck on the job hunt.

Tom

Dims lie & cheat in elections, especially in the urban centers. If you don't know this basic fact of political life, you're really too stupid to be allowed outside on your own. Say, who votes for you, anyway, your union?

As to elections, they will lie and cheat to win political power because they are so amoral that, to them, the ends (their socialistic Utopia) justify such means. Fact.

The question is now how will the Dims try to cheat in November? Any suggestions, Frank?

You see, to the twisted Dim mind, liying & cheating on their part is alright because it's for what they think is the greater good — socialism. WRONG!

This requirement shows real promise in bringing people together.

I know a spam post when I see one, Frank and that little bit of yours is pure spam. It was proven by the al Times of New York and a number of other "reputable" newspapers that that election was not stolen and that there was actually very little disenfranchisement taking place. The Democrats tried very hard to steal the Florida vote and we were saved by the embarrassment that would have caused by those people who counted over and over in the ensuing months.

I would like to ask the people who speak disenfranchisement by ID laws if the Dems couldn't do the same thing for these old and poor people to get them ID cards that they supposedly did for them to get them registered. I keep wondering why, if they can go somewhere to get registered they couldn't make one more trip to get a picture taken. If they can get out to vote why can't they get out for a picture? Who said it had to be a driver license? Other ID cards have been suggested and, in fact, made easy to get.

No matter how we look at it the Dems thought they had really accomplished something with their big voter registration drives but they don't want to see any of those gains lessened by making people use picture IDs. BTW, wasn't it those same Dems who were keeping blacks and other poor people from voting in the 40s and 50s? Why I believe it surely was those same people in the South.

I don't know.

Hamas seems to know what they see in B. Hussein Obama and like it.

I guess it all depends on your point of view.

Actually it's what the DIMS in the South were doing half a century ago.

I know it is extremely hard for some people to imagine that there actually are people with no cars, or ways to get to a license bureau for a photo id, no less with the thirty or so dollars that it would require—take it from an expert:
there are times when I have nothing—read NO THING, in my pocket that would buy me a gallon of gas to get to a place to get my picture taken so some volunteer at a voting poll can squinch at it to determine that is indeed me.

There are extremely poor among us, and those elders who have a tough time getting up from a chair, let alone out of a car, after begging for some caring soul to come retrieve them, nor can they stand for long in a line to await their turn for a picture id. I know many such people personally, and putting another rock in their way in order to catch some voter phonies that DO NOT EXIST is criminal in intent and cruel in practice. It smacks of discrimination in my book, and I find it reprehensible that this type of hindrance would be put into practice in this country. It is dispicable.
Concern your fake selves with absentee ballots—that is where fraud comes into play—not poor people or elderly or the infirm.

Hades will freeze over before King, or anyone, will provide me with that Indiana voter fraud example.

Like WMD in Iraq, it doesn't exist.

There are people who are of such meager means that they don't own a car. They are largely a population of elderly or disabled people. If you can barely afford to get by, do you think you are going to find your way down to the motor vehicle bureau to buy a driver's license or get a state ID? No. What if you have to move often because you have to follow a job or lose your home due to financial problems? Are you going to fund getting an ID every time you move?

Democratic activists have executed get out the vote efforts to find these people and get them registered and out to the polls. They are Americans; they have a right to vote.

What the Republicans did was to fabricate a false story of fraud by the Democratic activists. (Another campaign of lies by the Republicans–it all seems so commonplace in this century. I digress.) What the Republicans did is very much akin to what the segregationists in the South were doing half a century ago. They made it very difficult for black Americans to vote by demanding a poll tax or a literacy test. This time, they are imposing on disabled and poor people to have to travel somewhere and fund getting an identification card.

We used to be the beacon of hope and democracy. Of course, we should not expect the elitist Republicans to care about the ailing or the poor.

Like Bruce Springsteen said when he was in Cleveland in 2004, I am still going to work to build the America that we hold in our hearts.

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And for Da King, we are still waiting on your citation of voter fraud in Indiana–me upthread–"I notice that Da King is hiding from the Reverend's challenge to cite one case of voter ID fraud in Indiana (April 30, 8:03 am). "