Hillary Should Be The Frontrunner Now
Posted April 23rd, 2008 by Da King
I feel like the world has turned upside down, because I find myself rooting for Hillary Clinton to capture the Democratic nomination, even though I'm certain she will be a more difficult candidate for John McCain to beat in november. Then again, I'm not that thrilled with McCain either. If you had told me a year ago that I'd be rooting for Hillary Clinton to win the nomination, I'd have asked you what you were smoking. How times have changed.
Hillary Clinton won a 10 point victory over Barack Obama in Pennsylvania on tuesday, adding to her impressive list of big state victories. Those states now include California, Texas, Ohio, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and if they hadn't been disenfranchised, Florida and Michigan. She cut over 200,000 votes from Obama's popular vote lead, and if Florida and Michigan had counted, she'd be leading in the popular vote, and neck and neck in delegates. The picture would be drastically different. If the Dems ran their primaries the way this country votes in the general election, using the electoral college, Hillary would already have the nomination wrapped up. The contest would be over. In the general election, a candidate who won all those aforementioned states would be the president, end of story. That's a virtual certainty.
But this is the Democrats, so Barack Obama still has a huge lead. Go figure. Nobody can screw up an election like the Dems. If ever there was a year that favored Democrats in the general election, this is it. Yet they still may nominate Barack and blow it.
As Democratic consultant Doug Schoen put it, "If I told you somebody was winning California, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, Michigan and Florida and was not winning the nomination, you'd say something was wrong…And something arguably is not right."
The feeling that something is not right is usually the way I feel about the Democrats these days, especially since they moved so much further to the left. Unfortunately, I have pretty much the same feeling about the Republicans, and for the same reason. Real conservatives are a real minority.
The feeling that something is not right comes from a candidate like Barack Obama, who has no business experience, no management experience, no economic experience, no health care experience, no military experience, and no foreign policy experience. He spent 5 minutes in Congress and then he was running for president. He based his campaign on saying hope and change a lot. Whoopee. He based his campaign on being against Bush policies, but ALL the Democrats do that. Obama based his campaign on his judgement of being against the Iraq war, unlike the candidates he was running against. However, Obama didn't have to vote on that war like the others did. Obama bases his campaign on judgement, then acts offended when his judgement is called into question by his 20-year association with the incendiary Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Are the Dems actually going to nominate this guy just because he's a good public speaker ? You've got to be kidding me. I remember when I was in college, the best speaker in my Speech class was this hyper little guy who was a cokehead. He was really good. Very persuasive. He could, as they used to say, sell a refrigerator to an Eskimo. I wouldn't want him to be the president either.
Obama's vulnerability in the big states needed to win the general election should be a red flag to all Democrats. Even though Obama would take New York and California in the general election, he has a huge problem with big swing state blue collar voters who decide elections. If Obama is nominated, those voters are likely to go to McCain. Obama's big delegate lead over Hillary is largely due to his victories in the smaller caucus states. The bad news for Obama supporters is, those states are mostly Republican states, and McCain is likely to win them in the general election. The states Obama is winning against Hillary are many of the same states that put George Bush in the White House twice.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:06 am
You are right, King.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:07 am
Your logic is right on the money, King. The Dims are in a fix with B. Hussein Obama as their nominee.
How a man with so little talent & experience and grounding in America got so far shows the insight in referring to him as "Barack, the Magic Negro"' [best said when sung to the tune of "Puff the Magic Dragon."]
But Pennsylvania may indicate the magic is fading — and this is with Dim voters. Imagine how Obama will do when normal people get a crack at him in November.
And this is exactly why the Dim stuperdelegates are reluctant to commit to B. Hussein Obama and bring this primary race to a finish. They know BO has carries the stench of a loser.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 am
Easy for Obama to "say" he would have not voted for that Iraq Resolution–that Hillary qualified with her written qualms about voting for it that Bush should NOT use her vote as a vote to go to actual war–seeing as how Bush lied about the WMD and that did not come out until after the actual vote.
Obama was not even in the position of U.S. Senator and could not vote on the Resolution at the time–easy for him to *imagine* he would not have given the President the power to *possibly* attack Iraq. With his other flaky votes on certain issues, my bet is he would have voted for the Resolution, had he been in the Senate at the time. Such a sham. Such an impostor. Obama is an opportunist to the umpth degree.
As far as a negative campaign–I beg to differ with him. He does not practice what he preaches, either. He is a poser to the highest degree. So see-through.
Americans are not as stupid as he surmises–in his own brain.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:27 am
King, I so well remember all those years when you and I were against Hillary and all of a sudden we find ourselves pulling for her. There must be something about old Barry that we just don't like. Many say that it has to be the color of his skin and I say there are all kinds of black men and women that I could vote for but he just isn't one of them. I sincerely believe that too many people are willing to vote for him because he isn't George Bush or because he is a charismatic speaker, or because he promises the world, which he can't deliver. I don't know what it is, but there is something there that I just can't support him.
I think that both of us see the complicated way of dividing votes the Dems have come up with as just plain wrong. They always talk about democracy and how they support it but then when they get a chance to prove it with head to head voting they screw it up with this involved manner of interpreting votes and what the people actually meant. Can we allow them to take their involved method of interpreting what a majority of the people want back to the White House?
The main problem with all this folderol is that when they fail to select one of these people there is always good old Algore waiting in the wings. Mercy me, lets get one of these two picked to avoid that happening.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:15 am
King: I feel like the world has turned upside down, because I find myself rooting for Hillary Clinton to capture the Democratic nomination, even though I'm certain she will be a more difficult candidate for John McCain to beat in november. Then again, I'm not that thrilled with McCain either.
My exact sentiments!!! I've been trying to explain my enthusiam for Hillary's recent triumphs, but her gains seem to benefit the GOP and that's good enough for me. I still believe in paying my own way, so liberalism hasn't infected me. We all have a valuable stake in who wins this next election and that concern is not restricted to party lines. If there is a chance, one of these libs will get to the white house, we have an obligation to provide damage control. While these two are very similar in their beliefs, I do think Hillary can be nudged to sensibility when pressed. On the other hand, mr. change has revealed very little of his nature and I'm not open to his surprises. Until the true blue-collar doomocrats recapture their party from the far-left, our underground assistance fuels 2 causes at once.
Job well done Hillary! The lead was Osama's to lose, therefore patience is in order. Operation Chaos: Cease fire! Prepare for dual offensives in Indiana and N. Carolina.
The Osama sheep are most ungracious at losing. Some people have made an arguement that Osama has one more states than Hillary. I kindly informed the dummies that our GE is based on the electoral college system. With that said, the math is quite easy and impressive, from the viewpoint of super-delegates.
p.s. Someone needs to check on Rev and Truth. The Kool-Aid hangover will be severe, this morning.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:23 am
Wow…"da spin doctors" are really worried about Sen. Obama, eh?
Florida & Michigan were not "disenfranchised"; rather, they were disqualified for not following national democratic party rules.
Both Senators Clinton & Obama are quite goood at "dodging" any true compilations as to their qualifications for the Office of the Presidency but that didn't stop Presidents Carter or Reagan, did it? Or Ross Perot?
Wasn't President Bush merely a governor of one of our states? One who was elected with nowhere near the mandate of President Reagan? We all know what his foreign policy/military service resume looked like, eh?
Too bad you folks have decided to kow-tow to a "two party" electoral system at the national level.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 am
Always a riot reading Republican voters handicapping a Democratic primary. Always a riot. Substance free but nevertheless, entertaining in a comedic sense.
King's assumption is full of holes. While he admits that Obama would take New York and California….he fails to acnowledge Obama's strength in the mountain west and in states like Missouri and Virginia.
King is also grasping about wildly when he jumps to the conclusion that faced with an Obama/McCain choice that blue collar folks will turn to McCain. I have opinions and wishful thoughts too, but I try to anchor them to facts.
To jump and say that because voters in Pa. chose Hillary over Obama equates into a McCain vote is a jump only wishful thinkers would take.
I sympathize with Republican voters. I do. I know you would like to have the Democrats weakest candidate, the one who can't take those McCain Independents away from him….but sadly…..Hillary is not going to make your wishes come true.
And the ignorant argument, yes ignorant, that Obama's anti-Iraq speech in 2002 was inconsequential and easy for him to do….is so ignorant and dishonest….a good chastising is required.
When 80+% of America was balls to the wall for Iraq, when Congress passed overwhelmingly the Iraq resolution to attack, when celebrities everywhere were being blackballed and smeared if they voiced disagreement…..Obama had the unique courage to stand on correct principles demanded of strong leadership, risking his entire future political career if he had been wrong, by speaking out against Bush's Bungle with specific and categorized points of reasoning.
And he has been proven right in all that he said.
Somehow, all of that is being misconstrued by the declining conservative movement as weakness or simple showboating. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Republicans talk and talk about resoluteness, firm convictions, knowing where a person stands, etc. It's all a bunch of phoniness. Obama demonstrated what firmness and conviction actually look like with his anti-Iraq speech when being anti-Iraq was very unpopular….he was correct in every way in that speech….and Republicans now chide him for being weak.
Same old.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Robin,
In effect, Michigan and Florida have been disenfranchised by the ludicrous way in which the democratic primary/caucus system is now run. In the convoluted attempt at "fairness" in this process, the Democrats (of which I am one) have so made the process not fair, it is hard to argue with the conservative "think tank" on this particular blog.
I am still open-minded enough to take what others say and see whether I find their advice with merit for my own thinking.
Back when the rules made by mankind included that women were not smart enough to vote—was that right just because they were "rules"? Or that we had to wear skirts and knee-hi socks and walk blocks to school in knee deep snow in the midst of winter, where our feet didn't feel warm until we had to trudge back through it all again?
The rules were changed due to the evolution of our thinking, with the input of all people instead of just the ruling fathers of the time.
The rules with the nomination process also need to be , once again, revamped—they are not working right. Particularly the caucus system where working people, including blue-collars WITH college degrees (such as me; underemployed with three part-time blue collar type jobs), cannot afford to take the time to join the supposed "fair" discussions–older adults who can, because they have the time, are often intimidated by the caucus process as they are not acclimated to the outspoken unruliness with which the younger generation of caucus goers dominate the discussions. This needs to be explored and addressed by our party.
Right now, what choice do we have other than Nader as a third party candidate? He can't win and does not speak entirely for me—specifically his attitudes toward negotiating with terrorist type groups in the Mid-East. So we, as Americans are up against the wall here. What shall we do?
The whole process, including a real change in our funding of these campaigns, needs to change. At this point, we'd all be better served by the candidates just divvying up the campaign funds they've collected from us equally, and sending it all back to us, instead of this intrepid process that we have now. Campaign finance reform NOW!
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Mr. King,
I'm not surprised that you guys are for Ms. Clinton. Quite apart from your silly "Comrade Hillary" hyperbole, she is a pro business, DLC, free trade candidate who will gladly attempt to maintain our self appointed role as global sheriff.
If she were to become president, she would try to disengage us from this ethno-civic war we've unleashed but maintain troops at the "enduring" bases and the mega embassy we are building there. On health care, she would force everyone to carry insurance and then partially subsidize the poor. This would be a boon to insurance companies and the worst of options for consumers. The insurance gets new clients and maintain their 20% overhead, the consumer still has to jump through insurance company hoops and employers have a new reason to deny health insurance coverage. On the economy, she would turn to the same people who got us into this mess, the banking and securities industry.
Ms. 2 cents,
I agree with your frustration over the money in politics. I think everyone agrees on its distorting influence. We lease out country's broadcast frequencies to corporations which use them to turn a profit. Part of the conditions of that lease ought to be free use of the airwaves by candidates.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Yes, frank—go back to "Equal Access-Equal Time" or some better version—take the money out of the equation—no incentive for profit, period. Our civic discourse should not be bought and sold–ever. The airwaves do belong to the people—anything that disperses messages to the public should be open to the public—the little people cannot compete in what is supposed to be an open process—not just anyone can run for office—the way it is now, money is a necessity—take that concept out, and the people can actually run for office, not have to listen to the "talking heads" tell us their infantile opinions anymore–
"We the People" should settle for nothing less than complete public financing, and time- limited political seasons—take the broadcasters out of our political discourse for profit.
Campaign Finance Reform—back on the table!
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Obama… " I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction "
Wake Up Obama… Your choices of Mentors & Associates, And your obvious disease of Egomania have caused the winds to shift !!!
It's time for the Power Monger Obama to Go Stand With The Muslims !!!
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
King,
The Dim convention in Denver should be a hoot, and not just because of the stuperdelegate mess.
What will the Dims do when Islamic Hamas terrorist-lovin' Jimmy Carter shows up? Will they try to hide this nut or follow their heart's desire and honor him?
This will be especially interesting since Comrade Hillary has recently promised not only to nuke Iran but to nuke it into oblivion if Iran attempts to attack Israel with WMD. Boy, what a woman you Dims got on your hands.
And if B. Hussein Obama is the eventual nominee, do you think he'll have the raving bigot Rev. Wright give an invocation. No? Maybe Wright is too 'hot' now. In that case, the Dims can pick Rev. Al Sharpton, another black racist to do the honors, hopefully in prime time. What do you think?
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:07 pm
By convention time there will be so many really negative facts piled up about both Billary & Obama Bin Liar that the liberal Superdelegates will embrace their responsibilities to promote and protect the party thus will have no choice but to nominate their savior ALGORE. It will be a Hoot of a Convention followed by Riots in the Streets because the Great Black Hope Obama Bin Liar could not be crowned.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:18 pm
This Obama is indeed an egomaniac and a power monger. His ego blinds him of reality and renders him incapable of accomplishment. He states that when elected he will shake things up in Washington. Can he be so dumb as to believe that all of congress will bow to his desires. There are deep rooted relationships that, Good or Bad, will be impossible for Obama to understand or change. God forbid he has the chance to find out. Maybe for him becoming the King of Kenya would more suitable, Or Dictator of the Universe. Surely no measure of power could ever satisfy his out of control ego.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Well, Rev didn't disappoint us at all. Even his parting shot was "Same old" and all his comment amounted to was that Obama gave a speech in 2002. He said that so many times that the "Same old" must have been referring to his own words.
Can somebody come up with a transcript of that famous speech? I would surely like to read it but he was such an unknown then that something had to make him known to the national party hierarchy that would cause them to use him as the 2004 keynote speaker.
Honest Rev, who all knew him before the 2004 performance? I have developed a consipracy theory about all that and today that I will share with you come time.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:04 am
frank,
Everybody in this country should be pro-business. It's suicidal not to be.
If you think I prefer Hillary due to her health care plan, you could not be more wrong. I hate Hillary's health care plan. I hate Obama's plan too.
I prefer Hillary over Obama because she seems like a centrist in comparison to him, plus she has more expericence. She isn't a centrist, but compared to him she is. Obama has no experience that qualifies him to be the president. None. I could care less about Obama's inconsequential anti-war Iraq speech in 2002 that nobody heard. That doesn't qualify him to be prez in any sane mind (only in the Rev's mind).
April 24th, 2008 at 5:09 am
Robin,
When you ask what experience Carter, Reagan, or Bush Jr. had that qualified them to be president, citing that they had all been "only governors", you have me scratching my head. A governor runs an entire state. What BETTER qualification for president could there be than that ?????
April 24th, 2008 at 5:31 am
Roy,
There are many things about that Irish guy Barry O'Bama that I don't like - No experience, no qualifications, vacuous flowery speeches, a completely liberal voting record that contradicts his "unity" rhetoric, plans to dramatically increase the size of government, massive tax increases, massive spending increases, an anti-business attitude, plans to turn Iraq into a failed state, his racist pastor, his plans to nominate uber-liberal activist judges to the Supreme Court, the devastating impact of his policies on our economy, his health care plan, the way the media has been so biased in his favor, his anti-Israel connections, his fear and refusal to face any non-friendly media, his support from far left loons, his shifting positions on issues, his lack of knowledge, his elitism…
But he does have that non-specific hopey changey thing going on. I'm sure that will make up for it all.
April 24th, 2008 at 7:37 am
And Hillary and the melanoma afflicted McCain can spout their "no hopey, no changey" thing. Very unattractive.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Rev: I sympathize with Republican voters. I do. I know you would like to have the Democrats weakest candidate, the one who can't take those McCain Independents away from him….but sadly…..Hillary is not going to make your wishes come true.
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For you, this is even a stretch. Can you please elaborate on how a far-left liberal will appeal to the independents? The Dooms shot themselves in the foot by promoting McCain and he who resides closest to center, gets the prize. They've even eliminated the opportunity for a spoiler, such as Perot, to run interference up the middle. This is precisely why Mayor Goonberg declined to toss his hat in the ring. You guys are landlocked!
In the end, I could care less which candidate prevails from the smoke of the DNC. For entertainment purposes, I continue to serve my country and aid the Operation Chaos cause.
P.S. Upon taking a look at the countwide results map of PA, there's more bad news for Osama. He managed to capture a tiny speck in Hill's wave of blue and it almost resembles an insurgent stronghold pocket, as depicted on strategic maps of Iraq. His success can be broken down into 2 categories: inner cities with high black concentrations and regions that are considered meccas for liberal elitists.
Those limitations are incapable of capturing a broad "bitter" America? He is unelectable, on those merits, and once the super-delegates hand Hill the torch…………she's done too. The party will simply revolt on her for overturning the will of the "sheep".
April 24th, 2008 at 8:35 am
There are so many questions about Obama deserving answers. This one is really important, A matter of National Security.
Where has obama traveled using his Kenya or Indonesia Passport that he made the choice to Not Be An American or worse yet Could Not Be An American ?
Without fully knowing this man, Nobody should vote for him !
April 24th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Simple, we know so little about Obama but the more we get to know him the less there is to like. One of the things I dislike most is the fact that he isn't going to take another chance that media types will ask him questions he hasn't had a chance to prepare for. That translates into a President who would want to follow the same rules and things just never happen that way. When his first 9/11 or Katrina hit he would have to go into hiding because they might ask him some hard questions that his socialist tendencies wouldn't have ready answers for him to parrot.
Red, I asked you for a transcript of that so famous speech that nobody I know has ever read or heard. Do you have one in your stock of left handed garbage?
April 24th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Simple Question, you've hit the old nail on the head.
B. Hussein Obama is more a Third Worlder than he is an American.
He'd be more loyal to the U.N. than the U.S.
This is the disturbing fact that BO's sycophant supporters either don't know (the dumb ones) or chose to disguise (the dishonest ones).
April 24th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
As much as we all love Blogs, The majority of voters don't use them or even know what they are. We all must Write Letters To The Editor of every newspaper and Publication in America and demand answers to the questions the Media won't ask.
Too little is known about Obama and his real agenda.
Too much is being covered up about Hillary.
Please everyone, Write and Write Often !!!
Thank You
April 24th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Call to Action is right on. We do need to write letters and call into talk shows. Letting the media dictate what we learn about these people competing to become our leader is insanity. The media can be trusted no more than the crook politicians. A grassroots effort to bring about disclosure and answer the many real important questions we all have will work. We can't complain if we don't make an effort to seek truth and honor. Writing letters, etc. is as important as voting.
This country is in trouble, We can't afford to make a mistake, We can't afford to elect someone that requires on the job training. We can't afford to elect an elitist with an egocentric agenda disguised as Hope & Change. Yes, Obama must not be elected, We are doomed to disaster if he is elected. This election is not about race, gender, or age… It is about SURVIVAL !!!
April 25th, 2008 at 8:44 am
roy….here it is…http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm
You need to learn how to use Google….it's easy and very helpful.
Alex: Independents want America out of Iraq. Independents don't necessarily accept the McCain/Bush pre-emptive war doctrine. That's why Ron Paul had so much support.
In a general election….those Independents will break for Obama over McCain…..not by a wide margin…but enough to make the difference.
A Hillary/McCain matchup would have the vast majority of Independents breaking fro McCain because they simply detested Bill Clinton's presidency.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Yes, Beyond Concern, the message must be gotten out that B. Hussein Obama is an uber-leftist.
And aside from hitting the media, don't forget the importance of one-to-one arguments made to friends, relatives, co-workers, etc.
Just know the facts and expose the Dims for what they are.
April 25th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
We need to expose reverse racism as well.
The Reverend's allusion to melanoma is a classic case, implying that McCain's light skin makes him unfit to serve as president.
April 25th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Larry D, you're right!
And regarding reverse racism, there are five states that will have Ward Connerly's civil rights initiative on their ballot to outlaw affirmative action & racial quotas.
Too bad Ward Connerly missed Ohio. Maybe he'll get us in 2010.
If an anti-Affirmative action initiative was on the Ohio ballot, I'd bet it would pass easily — by at least 70% 'yes' to 30% 'no.' Then you'd hear the bigoted liberals yelping.
April 26th, 2008 at 2:59 am
Obama has won the endorsement of hamas…
Do we really want a President that was endorsed by a Terrorist Organization ?
April 26th, 2008 at 6:01 am
Check it out King.
Bob Herbert of the the New York Times has woke up and is now reporting [4/26/08] that the Dims are afraid of a debacle in November if B. Hussein Obama is their candidate.
And for you dim Dims out there who may be a little slow, debacle in this contest means a McCain landslide
One of the main reasons why the Dims are scared is Obama's close association with American hater and anti-white bigot, Rev Wright.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/opinion/26herbert.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
April 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Please everyone, Write Letters to the Editor of every Newspaper demanding that Obama be deported. Thanks to Jimmy Carter, Hamas has endorsed him. Hamas is a Terrorist Organization. Obama is a Threat to National Security.
April 26th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Urgent: Don't take any more of the red pills.
April 26th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
larry: I always thought a melanoma victim was more mulatto looking but hey, yeah, I am white and I hate whites…..so what? I hate everybody.
April 27th, 2008 at 5:41 am
The Power Mongers are Self Destructing
ALGORE will be the Dem Nominee
April 27th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Rev,
Ripping on McCain that he has had melanoma is not nice.
Ripping on McCain for legit reasons is reasonable, for that is how we judge someone—not by their real illnesses, nor by their looks or color or creed or gender. Please do not stoop to a lower level by attacking those with cancer. It does not legitimize anyone's comments, ever. God forbid you should have melanoma, as cancer and most diseases are equal opportunity aggressors—yesterday, my beloved oldest child was diagnosed with a serious chronic disease of the auto-immune variety and is being checked for cancer–he is just 19, full of life and at the top of his classes in college. Forbid all disease, regardless of party-affiliation, or any other divide—please.
April 27th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Yes, by all means — "Forbid all disease, regardless of party-affiliation, or any other divide—please."
Good to see that you're learning that life is precious. So while you're at it, "Two-Cents," forbid abortion, too, which kills over one million unborn babies each year.
For the hapless atheists out there, all this killing doesn't matter, but it should repluse anyone who has a shread of decency in them.
April 27th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Ghost—Abortion is repulsive, you are right. More repulsive is unwanted children already here, abused, neglected, unloved.
Just because prenancy happens , it does not follow that the resulting child will be taken care of. Have you ever seen a baby infant that has been raped? You don't want to see it. Have you seen children broken and bruised and hungry for food but hungrier for love?
How 'bout all these males in Akron shaking their babies and snapping their spinal cords? Better to have not become pregnant in the first place.
April 27th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
One more thing, Ghost—With all the decency you can muster toward this Democrat, could you at least have said something addressing the fact that I have a child who may be facing cancer? Perhaps something like, "Gosh, I'm so sorry that you are going through this, Rebecca. I hope things work out for you and your loved ones"? Perhaps one of those prayers you send up to your God would be in order? Or perhaps you don't pray for Democrats.
April 27th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Ms. 2 cents,
You and Mr. Ghost have two different purposes in posting. You seem to be a nice lady interested in political conversations. Mr. Ghost is more interested in venting his anger.
April 27th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Chris Wallace sure let Obama off easy. It's obvious that the questions were planned and Obama had his lies rehersed for the interview. How will we ever know the truth about this Power Monger ? He won't debate, The media is beyond easy on him, He's an expert liar, We're Screwed !!!
April 28th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Rebecca,
1.You have my prayers for you kid who may be facing cancer and prayers also for your enlightment.
2. You say, "Abortion is repulsive, you are right. More repulsive is unwanted children already here, abused, neglected, unloved."
No, abortion is more replusive than being an unwanted child. Abortion involves being either literally pulled apart the unborn baby in the womb, or having its brain sucked out by a vacuum as in partial birth abortion, or being burned away with chemicals. Nice, huh?
Obviously, it is you who needs to look at pictures of the results of abortion prodcedures, not me to look at pictures of unwanted children. Both are bad — abortion is worse; it's terminal 100% of the time.
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Poor sensitive Frank. He thinks stating a political position is the same as venting angry if he disagrees with that point of view. If you want to see anger, review the ravings of B. Hussein Obama's pastor, Rev. Wright. as he curses America and whites. That's anger, mixed with hate and bigotry. Address that bigot and BO before you complain about those who object to something so inherently evil as abortion.
And in case you haven't noticed Frank, the days when your leftwing political correctness could censor debate are ending. So get with the program, Chief.
April 28th, 2008 at 8:49 am
No, Ghost, abortion is not nice, and neither is the abuse of the unwanted.
The ultimate solution is education and the discipline of choosing to say no to the pleasure of the moment–teach your sons and daughters that sex is serious stuff that can result in children and lifelong associations with people you find you'd rather not associate with, such as the other parent of the unplanned child, the other's family, and the child who is half them–who you have now come to despise–all this for an orgasm that can happen by other means.
Republicans pride themselves on not wanting government interference in private issues. Why on earth would you try to pry yourself into personal matters then? Ghost—I do not have it in me to tell others what decisions to make about their personal lives. I do not condone abortion, nor do I condone sexual irresponsibilty.
And thank you for your kind thoughts toward me and mine at this trying time as I await biopsy news on one of my planned and very wanted children.
April 28th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Rebecca,
A secularist would say "Good luck to you," but I say "May God be with you and yours."
April 29th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
"Leave Us Alone" book by Grover Nordquist is a Must Read for everyone, Especially Voters.
"Where Have All The Leaders Gone" by Lee Iacocca is also good.
Voters must embrace their responsibility to become enlightened and responsible. We must not let Oprah and the Media dictate the outcome of this election.