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	<title>Comments on: Profiles In Doubletalk - Clinton/Obama</title>
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		<title>By: Ghost of Vince Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/17/profiles-in-doubletalk-clintonobama/#comment-2832</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost of Vince Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If I didn't know better, I'd think the government was TRYING to bankrupt us all, because that sure seems like what they're trying to do with these endless taxes and endless spending."

Not exactly, King.

What the political class -- lead especially by the libs &#38; Dims -- is trying to do, however, is to extend its control over society, and taxes just happen the most powerful means towards their socialistic ends.  

This is particularly obvious with the global warming hoax and its associated carbon tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;If I didn&#039;t know better, I&#039;d think the government was TRYING to bankrupt us all, because that sure seems like what they&#039;re trying to do with these endless taxes and endless spending.&#034;</p>
<p>Not exactly, King.</p>
<p>What the political class &#8212; lead especially by the libs &amp; Dims &#8212; is trying to do, however, is to extend its control over society, and taxes just happen the most powerful means towards their socialistic ends.  </p>
<p>This is particularly obvious with the global warming hoax and its associated carbon tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/17/profiles-in-doubletalk-clintonobama/#comment-2828</link>
		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They've gotten around to taxing the air, Roy, so bodily fluids are probably next. The Lieberman-Warner climate change bill would be about a $ 1.2 trillion tax increase over 10 years, to keep CO2 from destroying the planet (sigh). 

If I didn't know better, I'd think the government was TRYING to bankrupt us all, because that sure seems like what they're trying to do with these endless taxes and endless spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#039;ve gotten around to taxing the air, Roy, so bodily fluids are probably next. The Lieberman-Warner climate change bill would be about a $ 1.2 trillion tax increase over 10 years, to keep CO2 from destroying the planet (sigh). </p>
<p>If I didn&#039;t know better, I&#039;d think the government was TRYING to bankrupt us all, because that sure seems like what they&#039;re trying to do with these endless taxes and endless spending.</p>
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		<title>By: roysoldboy</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/17/profiles-in-doubletalk-clintonobama/#comment-2817</link>
		<dc:creator>roysoldboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to see Neal Boortz's Fair Tax put into effect.  If we did that and did away with all other taxes we would still have plenty of money to live on.  Of course, Obama doesn't understand that because that would allow for people to keep all the money they got from investments.  There would only be a tax on money we spend except for those things needed for a family to live on.  Why so many people can't look at and see what would happen makes those of us who don't want to tax every little thing look about as stupid as Dems are because they want to tax everything which woud include taking care of our important bodily functions if they could pass a tax like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to see Neal Boortz&#039;s Fair Tax put into effect.  If we did that and did away with all other taxes we would still have plenty of money to live on.  Of course, Obama doesn&#039;t understand that because that would allow for people to keep all the money they got from investments.  There would only be a tax on money we spend except for those things needed for a family to live on.  Why so many people can&#039;t look at and see what would happen makes those of us who don&#039;t want to tax every little thing look about as stupid as Dems are because they want to tax everything which woud include taking care of our important bodily functions if they could pass a tax like that.</p>
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		<title>By: midwestern humble mumble</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/17/profiles-in-doubletalk-clintonobama/#comment-2814</link>
		<dc:creator>midwestern humble mumble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King---I would go for a ten percent tax rate across the board---no problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King&#8212;I would go for a ten percent tax rate across the board&#8212;no problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost of Vince Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/17/profiles-in-doubletalk-clintonobama/#comment-2812</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost of Vince Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Obama didn't have a clue what he was talking about regarding the capital gains tax in the debate"

This man is an economic illiterate and an embarassement.

BO has put the Dim superdelegates in a fix. They know he's an airhead but because the Negores have gone cuckoo over him [it's a tribal thing], they dare not 'dis' him. 

I love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Obama didn&#039;t have a clue what he was talking about regarding the capital gains tax in the debate&#034;</p>
<p>This man is an economic illiterate and an embarassement.</p>
<p>BO has put the Dim superdelegates in a fix. They know he&#039;s an airhead but because the Negores have gone cuckoo over him [it's a tribal thing], they dare not &#039;dis&#039; him. </p>
<p>I love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with larry here. 

There is nothing about our system of taxation that is "fair". If fairness is what we are striving for, there should be one tax rate for everyone (about 10% is fair to my way of thinking). When everybody is taxed at the same tax rate, those who earn a lot more will still pay a lot more. 10% of $500,000 is a lot more than 10% of $50,000. 

Rev, I think you are making a mistake by looking at capital gains tax rates the same as you do income tax rates. Capital gains come about from investment, which means the investor risks losing those funds as well as gaining. Putting a high tax rate on the gains will depress investment, resulting in a more depressed economy. Also, most of the funds people invest with have already been through the grind mill of government taxation. What is invested is what's left over. By instituting an oppressive capital gains tax rate, you are hurting the little guy the most. You are harming his stocks, his retirement accounts, and his equity. I thought Dems were supposed to be about helping the little guy. That's the mythology, anyway.

In any case, Obama didn't have a clue what he was talking about regarding the capital gains tax in the debate, and I'm pretty sure that IS a real issue. An important one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with larry here. </p>
<p>There is nothing about our system of taxation that is &#034;fair&#034;. If fairness is what we are striving for, there should be one tax rate for everyone (about 10% is fair to my way of thinking). When everybody is taxed at the same tax rate, those who earn a lot more will still pay a lot more. 10% of $500,000 is a lot more than 10% of $50,000. </p>
<p>Rev, I think you are making a mistake by looking at capital gains tax rates the same as you do income tax rates. Capital gains come about from investment, which means the investor risks losing those funds as well as gaining. Putting a high tax rate on the gains will depress investment, resulting in a more depressed economy. Also, most of the funds people invest with have already been through the grind mill of government taxation. What is invested is what&#039;s left over. By instituting an oppressive capital gains tax rate, you are hurting the little guy the most. You are harming his stocks, his retirement accounts, and his equity. I thought Dems were supposed to be about helping the little guy. That&#039;s the mythology, anyway.</p>
<p>In any case, Obama didn&#039;t have a clue what he was talking about regarding the capital gains tax in the debate, and I&#039;m pretty sure that IS a real issue. An important one.</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would be really 'fair' in the true sense of the word is if each adult citizen threw the same amount of money in the national kitty, say $1,000. 

Taxing people according to the amount of money they have, rather than according to their fair share of government services, won't ever be changed but it's backwards and one of the basic reasons our government is completely out of whack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be really &#039;fair&#039; in the true sense of the word is if each adult citizen threw the same amount of money in the national kitty, say $1,000. </p>
<p>Taxing people according to the amount of money they have, rather than according to their fair share of government services, won&#039;t ever be changed but it&#039;s backwards and one of the basic reasons our government is completely out of whack.</p>
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		<title>By: midwestern humble mumble</title>
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		<dc:creator>midwestern humble mumble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a secretary, who does most of the real work for any given CEO, makes 5,000.00 this year from her stock---20% of that would be 1,000.00 dollars, right? (I went to the Akron Public Schools, so check my math, please) so she gets taxed  1,000.00 dollars. If her boss, the CEO makes 100,000.00 on his stock that same year and is taxed at 20%, then his share that would be tax owed is 20,000.00. Seems like a fair way to me. It is relative to what each seperate person is making.

What is not fair is the way our income taxes tend to be progressive at the lower end of income versus the cap at the higher end which effectively ends their progression.

If that secretary is fortunate enough to be making roughly 358,000. per year (yeah...right) and her CEO Boss is making 5 million per year---they are in the same 35% tax bracket because the cap on income tax is 35%. So one CEO could make 5 billion per year or more, and still be taxed at 35% 

Anyone who makes more than $357,701.00 is taxed at 35% NO MATTER how much said person is making. 

This is why CEO's are offered stock options in lieu of and as an addition to their income---that way the CEO can exercise his/her options and be taxed at ONLY the 15% (which is the current flat tax rate on capital gains for all) versus his/her having to pay an across the board 35% ( a full 20% more than the 15% rate).

To my way of thinking, a more progressive tax at the higher end of income and a less progressive tax at the lower end would be more fair.

How much money does one person need to be happy on earth?

That dividend that that billionaire CEO makes with a less progressive tax rate can buy him and his entire family including all his cousins an extra BMW---from Germany...with extra left over, depending on the size of his extended family, which does not help American workers at all, except his family gets to drive BMW's.

Following is our current tax bracket in the Married Filing Jointly as of 2008.


Marginal Tax Rate Single Married Filing Jointly or Qualified Widow(er) Married Filing Separately Head of Household 

10% $0 – $8,025 $0 – $16,050 $0 – $8,025 $0 – $11,450 

15% $8,026 – $32,550 $16,051 – $65,100 $8,026 – $32,550 $11,451 – $43,650 

25% $32,551 – $78,850 $65,101 – $131,450 $32,551 – $65,725 $43,651 – $112,650 

28% $78,851 – $164,550 $131,451 – $200,300 $65,726 – $100,150 $112,651 – $182,400 

33% $164,551 – $357,700 $200,301 – $357,700 $100,151 – $178,850 $182,401 – $357,700 

35% $357,701+</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a secretary, who does most of the real work for any given CEO, makes 5,000.00 this year from her stock&#8212;20% of that would be 1,000.00 dollars, right? (I went to the Akron Public Schools, so check my math, please) so she gets taxed  1,000.00 dollars. If her boss, the CEO makes 100,000.00 on his stock that same year and is taxed at 20%, then his share that would be tax owed is 20,000.00. Seems like a fair way to me. It is relative to what each seperate person is making.</p>
<p>What is not fair is the way our income taxes tend to be progressive at the lower end of income versus the cap at the higher end which effectively ends their progression.</p>
<p>If that secretary is fortunate enough to be making roughly 358,000. per year (yeah&#8230;right) and her CEO Boss is making 5 million per year&#8212;they are in the same 35% tax bracket because the cap on income tax is 35%. So one CEO could make 5 billion per year or more, and still be taxed at 35% </p>
<p>Anyone who makes more than $357,701.00 is taxed at 35% NO MATTER how much said person is making. </p>
<p>This is why CEO&#039;s are offered stock options in lieu of and as an addition to their income&#8212;that way the CEO can exercise his/her options and be taxed at ONLY the 15% (which is the current flat tax rate on capital gains for all) versus his/her having to pay an across the board 35% ( a full 20% more than the 15% rate).</p>
<p>To my way of thinking, a more progressive tax at the higher end of income and a less progressive tax at the lower end would be more fair.</p>
<p>How much money does one person need to be happy on earth?</p>
<p>That dividend that that billionaire CEO makes with a less progressive tax rate can buy him and his entire family including all his cousins an extra BMW&#8212;from Germany&#8230;with extra left over, depending on the size of his extended family, which does not help American workers at all, except his family gets to drive BMW&#039;s.</p>
<p>Following is our current tax bracket in the Married Filing Jointly as of 2008.</p>
<p>Marginal Tax Rate Single Married Filing Jointly or Qualified Widow(er) Married Filing Separately Head of Household </p>
<p>10% $0 – $8,025 $0 – $16,050 $0 – $8,025 $0 – $11,450 </p>
<p>15% $8,026 – $32,550 $16,051 – $65,100 $8,026 – $32,550 $11,451 – $43,650 </p>
<p>25% $32,551 – $78,850 $65,101 – $131,450 $32,551 – $65,725 $43,651 – $112,650 </p>
<p>28% $78,851 – $164,550 $131,451 – $200,300 $65,726 – $100,150 $112,651 – $182,400 </p>
<p>33% $164,551 – $357,700 $200,301 – $357,700 $100,151 – $178,850 $182,401 – $357,700 </p>
<p>35% $357,701+</p>
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		<title>By: roysoldboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roysoldboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev Red, pointy headed little me would like to have you explain how you find equality in charging those CEOs the same rate you charge their secretarys.  I wonder why equality in taxation is so important to you.  Somehow I have watched you argue that point so many times and always you come back to that equality thing while ignoring the fact that if they paid equal percents there would be just as wide a gulf in the tax punishment for making money as there would be in the salaries to start with.  Yep, I understand that what you want is equality, period.  Tax those rich guys enough to bring them down to complete equality with their secretarys.  Now Red that seems to be just what the Marxists of the world would like to see happen.  Hmmmmm, does that not say something about your thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev Red, pointy headed little me would like to have you explain how you find equality in charging those CEOs the same rate you charge their secretarys.  I wonder why equality in taxation is so important to you.  Somehow I have watched you argue that point so many times and always you come back to that equality thing while ignoring the fact that if they paid equal percents there would be just as wide a gulf in the tax punishment for making money as there would be in the salaries to start with.  Yep, I understand that what you want is equality, period.  Tax those rich guys enough to bring them down to complete equality with their secretarys.  Now Red that seems to be just what the Marxists of the world would like to see happen.  Hmmmmm, does that not say something about your thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: midwestern humble mumble</title>
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		<dc:creator>midwestern humble mumble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev---If you really cared about the corporate ruination of our world, and you really want someone to negotiate directly with Hamas (known terrorist sponsors, known active terrorists, known for advocating the annihilation of Israel), go talk to Ralph Nader. O'Bama is not anyone to talk about "corporate" influence---his bold talk on this subject would be great if it were truthful also. He is NOT a true Progressive. He seems to be a confused amalgam of all sorts.

My advice to you...take a real, hard look at your choice for President---leave the ego crap out of the equation.

O'Bama is full of malarkey. All talk, no walk. At least Nader walks his walk while he talks his talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev&#8212;If you really cared about the corporate ruination of our world, and you really want someone to negotiate directly with Hamas (known terrorist sponsors, known active terrorists, known for advocating the annihilation of Israel), go talk to Ralph Nader. O&#039;Bama is not anyone to talk about &#034;corporate&#034; influence&#8212;his bold talk on this subject would be great if it were truthful also. He is NOT a true Progressive. He seems to be a confused amalgam of all sorts.</p>
<p>My advice to you&#8230;take a real, hard look at your choice for President&#8212;leave the ego crap out of the equation.</p>
<p>O&#039;Bama is full of malarkey. All talk, no walk. At least Nader walks his walk while he talks his talk.</p>
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