Comments on: Greasing The Wheels Of Justice http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/ Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:51:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2771 Da King Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:39:07 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2771 Ditto for me, Vince. With some Libertarian thrown in. Ditto for me, Vince.

With some Libertarian thrown in.

]]> By: Ghost of Vince Foster http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2752 Ghost of Vince Foster Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:48:40 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2752 "P.S. Ghost….If the Democrats are evil and the GOP'ers are dumb, what in the world would you call yourself?" Conservative. "P.S. Ghost….If the Democrats are evil and the GOP'ers are dumb, what in the world would you call yourself?"

Conservative.

]]> By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2732 Da King Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:01:20 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2732 Tom, What about First Energy ? I didn't get very far with my search. I think opensecrets is down at the moment. I'll try again later. Tom,
What about First Energy ? I didn't get very far with my search. I think opensecrets is down at the moment. I'll try again later.

]]> By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2731 Da King Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:55:03 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2731 Tom, If your theory is correct, then you are telling me that corporate america favors Democrats with their campagn donations. I'd say that is NOT true in a generalized sense. The example of big oil alone disproves it. Corporations donate to the political party that will either a) help them be profitable (that usually isn't Democrats), or b) is the party in power at the time (could be one or both at any specific time). I gave you the reasons trial lawyers donate to Dems, and the Milberg Weiss firm could hardly be called corporate lawyers. That's about as far off base as one can roam. Tom,
If your theory is correct, then you are telling me that corporate america favors Democrats with their campagn donations. I'd say that is NOT true in a generalized sense. The example of big oil alone disproves it. Corporations donate to the political party that will either a) help them be profitable (that usually isn't Democrats), or b) is the party in power at the time (could be one or both at any specific time).

I gave you the reasons trial lawyers donate to Dems, and the Milberg Weiss firm could hardly be called corporate lawyers. That's about as far off base as one can roam.

]]> By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2730 Da King Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:46:03 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2730 Rev, As is your habit, you have distorted the issue using an extremist argument that nobody is advocating. Nowhere did I (or anyone) say that trial lawyers should be eliminated. You have adopted the tactics of the Rangel bunch, who were very much in the wrong in their politicization of this case. The system may have worked here eventually (after it was corrupted for 25 years at a cost of billions), but it wouldn't have worked if Rangel and company had their way. I'd say you have some friends in low places on this. Why is it that lobbyists are such an evil influence, EXCEPT when they are Democrat lobbyists ? Rev,
As is your habit, you have distorted the issue using an extremist argument that nobody is advocating. Nowhere did I (or anyone) say that trial lawyers should be eliminated. You have adopted the tactics of the Rangel bunch, who were very much in the wrong in their politicization of this case. The system may have worked here eventually (after it was corrupted for 25 years at a cost of billions), but it wouldn't have worked if Rangel and company had their way. I'd say you have some friends in low places on this.

Why is it that lobbyists are such an evil influence, EXCEPT when they are Democrat lobbyists ?

]]> By: Tom http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2729 Tom Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:39:38 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2729 Those "lawyers" that you are excoriating are the lawyers for corporations. It is common practice for corporations to fund their law firms and pass-through the payments to campaigns. This gets them around the $2300/donor limitation. That is the basic concept of Bush's Ranger/bundlers, who get to lobby the "president" in exchange for bundling hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign contributions. So what the lawyers are buying is not influence for the "lawyer's industry", but influence for Big Oil, the telecoms/media, weapons builders, and the hospital/pharmaceutical industry. Note that all of those have been quite successful in the Bush/republican era. Tom's college of political knowledge Hey, while you have www.opensecrets.org open, would you please look up First Energy Corporation of Akron? Those "lawyers" that you are excoriating are the lawyers for corporations. It is common practice for corporations to fund their law firms and pass-through the payments to campaigns. This gets them around the $2300/donor limitation.

That is the basic concept of Bush's Ranger/bundlers, who get to lobby the "president" in exchange for bundling hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign contributions.

So what the lawyers are buying is not influence for the "lawyer's industry", but influence for Big Oil, the telecoms/media, weapons builders, and the hospital/pharmaceutical industry. Note that all of those have been quite successful in the Bush/republican era.

Tom's college of political knowledge

Hey, while you have http://www.opensecrets.org open, would you please look up First Energy Corporation of Akron?

]]> By: The Reverend http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2725 The Reverend Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:58:57 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2725 It appears the system worked here King. The bad guys got caught and were convicted, right? But that's not your point, is it? You want to make the entire trial lawyer industry seem rotten and corrupt because of one case. How fair is that? Here's the deal. Unless you want to go back to the wild west methods of settling differences, trial lawyers are not only necessary, they're essential. Including class action suits against carnivorous corporations. Why in the hell wouldn't trial lawyers support the Democratic Party? The other party wants to eliminate their profession altogether. But the biggest complaint I have about your post is how you are so selective in your criticism. Is it only defense attorneys who are bad? And what kind of country would we have without trail lawyers? P.S. Ghost....If the Democrats are evil and the GOP'ers are dumb, what in the world would you call yourself? It appears the system worked here King. The bad guys got caught and were convicted, right?

But that's not your point, is it? You want to make the entire trial lawyer industry seem rotten and corrupt because of one case. How fair is that?

Here's the deal. Unless you want to go back to the wild west methods of settling differences, trial lawyers are not only necessary, they're essential. Including class action suits against carnivorous corporations.

Why in the hell wouldn't trial lawyers support the Democratic Party? The other party wants to eliminate their profession altogether.

But the biggest complaint I have about your post is how you are so selective in your criticism. Is it only defense attorneys who are bad? And what kind of country would we have without trail lawyers?

P.S. Ghost….If the Democrats are evil and the GOP'ers are dumb, what in the world would you call yourself?

]]> By: Ghost of Vince Foster http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2720 Ghost of Vince Foster Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:30:13 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2720 Absolutely -- the Dim are the party of evil while the Repbublicans are merely the party of stupidity. Once this principle is grasped, contemporary American politics makes sense. Absolutely — the Dim are the party of evil while the Repbublicans are merely the party of stupidity.

Once this principle is grasped, contemporary American politics makes sense.

]]> By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2694 Da King Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:11:55 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2694 "anything R=good and anything D=evil" I'm not sure how you have the gall to say that to me if you've been reading what I write for very long, but I suspect you aren't looking for the truth, just an argument, just a way to change the subject. Sorry, but this post isn't about Libby. Libby has nothing to do with it. If you insist on comparing apples and oranges, however, Libby was convicting of making false statements in the Plame witchhunt. The Milberg Weiss attorneys were convicted of making false statements as well, along with bribing witnesses in lawsuits that extorted billions of dollars from corporations, a pattern of corruption that continued for 25 years. Who do you think deserved the longer sentence ? Now, what's really relevant is that Scope trial...OJ too....and did you know that Democrat Robert Byrd was in the KKK ? You know that I'm right, admit it. "anything R=good and anything D=evil"

I'm not sure how you have the gall to say that to me if you've been reading what I write for very long, but I suspect you aren't looking for the truth, just an argument, just a way to change the subject. Sorry, but this post isn't about Libby. Libby has nothing to do with it. If you insist on comparing apples and oranges, however, Libby was convicting of making false statements in the Plame witchhunt. The Milberg Weiss attorneys were convicted of making false statements as well, along with bribing witnesses in lawsuits that extorted billions of dollars from corporations, a pattern of corruption that continued for 25 years. Who do you think deserved the longer sentence ?

Now, what's really relevant is that Scope trial…OJ too….and did you know that Democrat Robert Byrd was in the KKK ? You know that I'm right, admit it.

]]> By: da truth http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2692 da truth Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:38:57 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2692 Of course you won't repsond, King, because you know I'm right. I just wish you guys would come out and admit that you believe anything R=good and anything D=evil. At least Vince is able to admit that those are his true feelings. Of course you won't repsond, King, because you know I'm right. I just wish you guys would come out and admit that you believe anything R=good and anything D=evil. At least Vince is able to admit that those are his true feelings.

]]> By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2686 Da King Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:52:48 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2686 Roy, I'm not sure what Libby has to do with any of this either, but I'm not going to waste my time responding to it. I think the Scopes monkey trial is about equally relevant. Lawyers had something to do with that too. Roy,
I'm not sure what Libby has to do with any of this either, but I'm not going to waste my time responding to it.

I think the Scopes monkey trial is about equally relevant. Lawyers had something to do with that too.

]]> By: Da King http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2685 Da King Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:50:05 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2685 angry c, You are right on the money (pun intended). MONEY is what it is all about, and the facts are, the lawyer lobby has major influence on our government. Money and power both corrupt, and when there are billions of dollars at stake, corruption is inevitable. The lawyer lobby is one that I NEVER hear the Dems talking about as a special interest, even though the lawyers are #1. When do you suppose Charlie Rangel and company will apologize to the Bush administration for the false accusations ??? Do you think that will be like, never ? angry c,
You are right on the money (pun intended). MONEY is what it is all about, and the facts are, the lawyer lobby has major influence on our government. Money and power both corrupt, and when there are billions of dollars at stake, corruption is inevitable. The lawyer lobby is one that I NEVER hear the Dems talking about as a special interest, even though the lawyers are #1.

When do you suppose Charlie Rangel and company will apologize to the Bush administration for the false accusations ??? Do you think that will be like, never ?

]]> By: angry conserv http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2683 angry conserv Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:20:40 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2683 P.S. class action law suits that orignally were a benefit to societybut have become a goldmine for the lowest of the low. My wife and I must receive notice at least twice a month about the newest way I have been damaged and if I join I could recieve $$$$. Hell I could get anything from a free tire balance to a few dollars. These defenders of justice walk away with millions. P.S. class action law suits that orignally were a benefit to societybut have become a goldmine for the lowest of the low. My wife and I must receive notice at least twice a month about the newest way I have been damaged and if I join I could recieve $$$$. Hell I could get anything from a free tire balance to a few dollars. These defenders of justice walk away with millions.

]]> By: angry conserv http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2682 angry conserv Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:15:54 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2682 what used to be an honorable profession(there are many honest ethical lawyers) has often been reduced to the show me the money mentality that is slowly beocming our countries mission statement. Imagine that plumbers controllled all three of the branches and much of the bureacracy. Can you imagine the laws that would be in place concerning plumbing requirements.. Yearly plumbing inspections, total redos before a house could be sold and plumbing fit for a king in all public facilities and on and on The laws are written by lawyers for the lawyers for their benefit. Most new legislation is a new area for them to mine. The amnesty bill that they will get passed one way or the other should be retitled the lawyer full employment act. Look at the number of lawyers we have today. It drawfs other countries. The result is a litigious society in which the lawyer is the one that always wins. I could go on for hours but why bother? Rep/Dem there may be some difference but it is all the same team so to speak what used to be an honorable profession(there are many honest ethical lawyers) has often been reduced to the show me the money mentality that is slowly beocming our countries mission statement. Imagine that plumbers controllled all three of the branches and much of the bureacracy. Can you imagine the laws that would be in place concerning plumbing requirements.. Yearly plumbing inspections, total redos before a house could be sold and plumbing fit for a king in all public facilities and on and on The laws are written by lawyers for the lawyers for their benefit. Most new legislation is a new area for them to mine. The amnesty bill that they will get passed one way or the other should be retitled the lawyer full employment act. Look at the number of lawyers we have today. It drawfs other countries. The result is a litigious society in which the lawyer is the one that always wins. I could go on for hours but why bother? Rep/Dem there may be some difference but it is all the same team so to speak

]]> By: da truth http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2681 da truth Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:39:44 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2681 No Roy, the only type of trial work I ever did was criminal defense, but I'm sure that makes me as evil as the trial lawyers you hate. The type of law I do now doesn't involve going to trial, but thanks for lumping me in, since I'm an evil dem I'm just the same anyway, right? Just answer me one question, Roy: why is it ok for you and king to ignore facts or the indiscretion of your side for the sake of argument but it's not ok for me to point those things out without being accused of changing the subject? Yes, the democratic party is greatly influenced by special interests. What a shock. Not exactly a news flash. I have news for you: so is your party. Now go ahead and call me stupid and call me names and say that I change the subject. Oh wait. Never mind, just say I change the subject, Vince takes care of the name calling for your side. Either way, I would point out that it's interesting that you guys talk so much about protecting national security but don't see how Scooter put us at much more risk than a group of blowhard trial attorneys. No Roy, the only type of trial work I ever did was criminal defense, but I'm sure that makes me as evil as the trial lawyers you hate. The type of law I do now doesn't involve going to trial, but thanks for lumping me in, since I'm an evil dem I'm just the same anyway, right?

Just answer me one question, Roy: why is it ok for you and king to ignore facts or the indiscretion of your side for the sake of argument but it's not ok for me to point those things out without being accused of changing the subject? Yes, the democratic party is greatly influenced by special interests. What a shock. Not exactly a news flash. I have news for you: so is your party. Now go ahead and call me stupid and call me names and say that I change the subject. Oh wait. Never mind, just say I change the subject, Vince takes care of the name calling for your side.

Either way, I would point out that it's interesting that you guys talk so much about protecting national security but don't see how Scooter put us at much more risk than a group of blowhard trial attorneys.

]]> By: roysoldboy http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2680 roysoldboy Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:08:06 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2680 King, it seems to me that you picked a subject to write about that da truth doesn't want to address since he had to bring up the Libby case for comparison. Do you suppose he is one of those trial lawyers trying to shift the topic like so many lefties do when things get too uncomfortable? truth, I remember you are not one of those people but using their methods make me wonder. King, it seems to me that you picked a subject to write about that da truth doesn't want to address since he had to bring up the Libby case for comparison. Do you suppose he is one of those trial lawyers trying to shift the topic like so many lefties do when things get too uncomfortable?

truth, I remember you are not one of those people but using their methods make me wonder.

]]> By: roysoldboy http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2679 roysoldboy Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:05:33 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2679 King, I see that now the Bush haters are using Scooter Libby's pardon as their measuring stick for determining sentences for criminals. I wonder if truth has ever checked to see how much money the wronged people get out of those law suits we call class action suits. After the lawyers get their share, pay their witnesses, etc it seems that there is always very little for the suers. Somehow they manage to hide that from the fools that get into their suits with them. da truth when I look at the list of Lazar's crimes they seem to be much like what Libby was charged with other than tax evasion and his probation was about as serious as Libby's pardon (oops wrong word there). Surely an 80 year old retired lawyer can't be too limited by a probation sentence. King, I see that now the Bush haters are using Scooter Libby's pardon as their measuring stick for determining sentences for criminals. I wonder if truth has ever checked to see how much money the wronged people get out of those law suits we call class action suits. After the lawyers get their share, pay their witnesses, etc it seems that there is always very little for the suers. Somehow they manage to hide that from the fools that get into their suits with them.

da truth when I look at the list of Lazar's crimes they seem to be much like what Libby was charged with other than tax evasion and his probation was about as serious as Libby's pardon (oops wrong word there). Surely an 80 year old retired lawyer can't be too limited by a probation sentence.

]]> By: da truth http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-2678 da truth Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:39:27 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/04/12/greasing-the-wheels-of-justice/#comment-2678 So you're saying they all got more than Scotter Libby? So you're saying they all got more than Scotter Libby?

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