Dems Bump Uglies

Yes indeed, King, you were woefully naive to think that America was moving beyond race when racial, and to a lesser extent gender, politics is the essence of the Dim Party.

That is, it’s the raw agitation from Dims & liberals that keep blacks in an artificial and heighten state of anger & victimhood. The Dims do this so as to alienate blacks from the middle class and keep the minorities dependent on big government.

[The Dims also do a good job in seeing that a large segment of the black community is dumbed down by forcing them into the failed public schools run by Dims & their allies like the teachers unions.]

I’m afraid racial polarization will continue until the American have had enough and finally step on the Dims for their use of this hateful tactic.

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Now, even the mainstream media can’t ignore B. Hussein Obama’s racist minister of twenty years. Rev. Wright's guttural racist & hate-America ravings are even making the evening newscasts. This is all for the good; it exposes BO for what he is.

When it comes to nominating BO, the Dims are dammed if they do and damned if they don’t. If they nominate him, B. Hussein Obama will be exposed not only as the empty suit he is, but also as a true America-hater.

However, if the Dims don't nominate BO, the blacks will revolt. But even without that, the Dims would still be stuck with Comrade Hillary, a dumpy old battleaxe who has disapproval ratings of 50%, as their candidate. Oh, where's Ozone Algore when the Dims need him?

No matter how you figure, it's lose-lose for the Dims, deservedly so.

King, late last night I was channel surfing and somehow got Glen Beck and sure enough he played that little bit of Rev. Wright's speech. I was sure it would take another right winger's show to hear it again but sure enough there it was on CNN, yep that high classed left leaning CNN, and I about fell out of my chair while eating breakfast. I guess the whole nation must know about that speech by now. If that is anything other than pure, unadulterated racist hate I wonder just what it is. Obama will have to do some real back pedalling to back off from that one.

The best part of that last night was that Beck had on a not very liberal black man to discuss Wright's sermon and all he could say was that one of that kind would have driven him somewhere else. If Obama was anything other than pretty racist in his thinking he would surely have found a different religious home by now. Rev. Wright and the tenets of his church will dig the hole for Obama and Hussein will pull the dirt in with plenty of help from the Clinton machine.

I do wonder which member of the MSM has said more than one time that Spitzer is a Democrat. Well they have mentioned over and over that it is Republicans that want to impeach him so I guess that could count. With CNN being purely Spitzer for three days, Tuesday – Thursday, they surely didn't mention the party very often.

Ghost, you have done a marvelous job of painting the black hole the Democrats have painted themselves into, the hell if you and hell if you don't situation they are now in.

totally off the topic:
Just read Akron U has hired another executive. This one is V.P. for inclusion and equity/chief diversity officer–no I am not making that up. I hear our wonderous leaders rail about rising prescription costs etc. and they plan to hold the various industries accountable. Why is there never any discussion about our colleges and their out of control spending. At least his salary is less than the other admistrative positons Akron U. has created the last few years–this clown is ONLY making 125,000. Not that they give a shit but I have regularly contributed to various colleges over the years but no more.

No, Angry Conserv, you're not all that much off target with your posting.

But watch it. This "clown," as you aptly called him, will now try to justify his existence at UA, and this is where the real costs will come in.

The typical form of this will be nonsense like: sensetivity training [i.e., brainwashing], politically correct witch-hunts, multicultural bull crap, and of course more racial & gender quotas.

One thing this "clown" won't do is make sure that free speech is allowed on campus for conservatives or any others who are outside the defined politically correct guidelines.

None of this will add to the school academic performance but can only diminish it.

And so it goes.

I was going to skip this thread but my bud roy's old boy had to type this….

"If Obama was anything other than pretty racist in his thinking he would surely have found a different religious home by now."

roy…my boy….should all Catholics refuse to attend mass because they would be, by attending, associating with a child molesting organization? Should all Catholics have found a different denominational home rather than to be associated with pedophile perverts and the parent organization that covered it up? By continuing to attend mass, are Catholics not proving that they are "pretty" much in favor of pedophilia?

When you nuts have found something that Obama has actually done wrong. Something HE has done….then let me know.

Roy,
I'm pretty much in agreement with you about Obama. I wouldn't go so far as to call Obama a racist, but when I heard him on television acting like he didn't know Rev. Wright made those types of racist comments, that just doesn't pass the smell test to me. Wright has been one of Obama's closest advisors. Obama had to know Wright's beliefs. I even remember when Obama got into the race and there was a reported discussion where Obama and Wright realized they might have to distance themselves from each other. Now we know why.

Rev,
Not an apt correlation with the Catholic thing. If a Catholic priest ever dared to preach in favor of child molestation from the pulpit (the equivalent of what Wright did with his racist, anti-semitic, and anti-america rants), he wouldn't be a Catholic priest any longer. The congregation wouldn't tolerate it, and they sure as hell wouldn't give it a standing ovation like the members of Wright's church did.

Also, the Catholic church DID lose a lot of support when it was discovered they were covering up sexual abuse. That was deserved. Obama needs to answer some questions here.
When one of Obama's closest advisors is a raging racist, that calls Obama himself into question, no matter how much you want to dance around it. Obama's resposne that amounts to 'gee whiz, I didn't know' is nearly impossible to believe.

angry conserv,
A "V.P. for inclusion and equity/chief diversity officer" ???

Oh, brother. Have you ever attended any diversity and sensitivity training classes ? I have, and they are the most mind-numbingly stupid wastes of time imaginable. There isn't anything in them that everybody doesn't already know through common sense alone.

That Akron U job title makes me think there is an entire "inclusion and diversity" department over at the school. Your dollars at work.

Vince,
Maybe Algore COULD be the new messiah for the Dems if Obama the hope warrior falters. After all, he already has the altar of global warming that the left genuflects in front of, and the Dems aren't too fond of the Hilldog these days. They have even stripped her hubby of his 'first black president' title. I bet the Goreacle is wishing he would have made a bid for the presidency right about now.

Reverend Red, does it not occur to you that the Catholic Church is just a bit larger than Reverend Wright's church in total membership and in the number of priests compared to his church. In any population of people you will have more perverts in the larger one than in the smaller one and in this case the larger is so much larger than the smaller.

Now when you speak racists you may find the same thing but I doubt the percentage of racists among the priesthood compares to the 100% in Wright's church, and I don't think there will be as large a percentage of Catholics as high in racism as there are in the Reverend's church. I just accept all that cheering of Wright as coming from anything other than racists.

I think that you fail to realize that there are black racists just as there are whites. It is just that many blacks don't accept the fact that not all racists are white.

Rev said……….
should all Catholics refuse to attend mass because they would be, by attending, associating with a child molesting organization? Should all Catholics have found a different denominational home rather than to be associated with pedophile perverts and the parent organization that covered it up?

There is a world of difference and I think King summed up most of it. The child molesting priests lived in the shadows and, those who became caught up in the wrath, were merely innocent bystanders. Parents were not aware of the atrocities and willfully bringing children back for more. Once these sick people were revealed, the congregations were held accountable and suffered.

Worlds apart from witnessing the fueling of racism, and willfully driving your family back for seconds, each and every Sunday. Some say maybe this footage was a fluke occurence, but now hours upon hours have been put up for viewing. The only fluke was getting it on film, not the inherent mindset of the pastor in question. Obama could have thrown the pastor under the bus, but chooses to pander to his extremist followers. How will this world ever get over racism when those who cry wolf may be the wolves themselves? Many must now come to the realization that Hussein Obama was not the "spotless" candidate that the liberal media portrayed him to be. For their "timely" response on this story, the far-left media has lost all that still existed of their credibility.

To believe that this was just another "wrong place at the wrong time" scenario, would require the willing suspension of common-sense. Some called it "hope" and "change", but how is that even feasible with such bitter hatred of one's own country?

Alex/King:

The ugly racism of Hussein Obama's long time 'spiritual advisor' & father figure is devastating his candidacy.

It’s a scandal BO won’t be able to shuck & jive his way out of. For as Alex D noted above, “hours upon hours have been put up for viewing” on TV of Rev. Wright guttural hate towards America and the whites.

It is hard to see how the Dim establishment will allow BO to get the nomination irrespective of the elected delegate count.

Now mind you, it’s not that the Dim leadership itself is necessarily upset with Obama‘s intimate connection to his America-hating minister. Perish the thought. Rather, it’s that the Dims know the average America will be turned off, making BO a sure loser in November.

[By the way, more stuff will be coming out on Hussein Obama soon. Stay tuned.]

The odds are now that the Dim nomination will go to Comrade Hillary. She will win ugly, but win nonetheless — win the nomination, that is.

And one last thing on B. Hussein Obama. He will be so scared by the scandal of his twenty year association in Rev. Wright’s Church of Hate that he is apt not to even get re-elected to the U.S. Senate when his term expires. Now wouldn’t that be sweet.

Your last line is the best……we cant use his middle name, but his pastor of 20 years who he gives money to and married him is off-limits. great, great observation.

This may be tangential but since the subject of Catholicism has come up…. Among the Ten Commandments is a rather starkly terse one that says, "Thou shall not kill". However, in Catholicism and many other religions there is the concept of the "just war" which defines the exceptions to that commandment for warriors. The late Pope, John Paul stated that our invasion of Iraq did not qualify as a "just war". Therefore, it would seem that Catholics who kill (unless in self-defense) in Iraq would be considered murderers by their Church. I am curious as to how other contributors to this blog feel about this.

Frank

1. The Commandment you cite, the 5th actually, is not "Thou shalt not kill." The correct translation is "Thou shall not murder."

2. Neither the late Pope John Paul II nor the current one, Pope Benedict XVI, ever formally declared the war in Iraq as an unjust war. I'm sorry if you believe otherwise, but that is the fact.

True, both popes lamented the death & destruction that ocurred in Iraq , but again, neither pope formally declared Iraq as an unjust war which they could easily do mif that is what they so thought.

frank,
I would say that every war ever fought was unjust on some level, because the innocent are invariably harmed or killed. That does not mean every war ever fought should not have been fought. Your comments about the unjust Iraq war could also be applied to Afghanistan, Bosnia, or any other war. Not every person killed in Afghanistan was a member of Al Qaeda, there were innocents killed there, just as the people killed in NYC on 9/11 weren't guilty of any crime either. There is always injustice associated with war. Unfortunately, there is often a larger injustice associated with NOT going to war. All the choices are not simple.

It's much the same thing with the people who call america fascist and imperialist because we have a military presence in Europe. What those people are failing to take into account is what would happen in the world without america's military might. If WE weren't the superpower, someone else would be, like maybe China or Russia. How would that be better in any way ? I'm all for peace, but looking through rose-colored glasses and burying our heads in the sand won't accomplish it.

Sorry if that was a little obtuse relative to what you asked about Catholics, but I was attempting to respond to you. I do not think Catholic american soldiers can be called murderers for doing their jobs in Iraq, and I know the Catholic church does not consider them as such (at least not the Catholic church in america. I'm not sure what Rome thinks).

"I do not think Catholic American soldiers can be called murderers for doing their jobs in Iraq, and I know the Catholic church does not consider them as such (at least not the Catholic church in America. I'm not sure what Rome thinks)."

Rest easy, King.

The Vatican has never called the U.S. military murders for the war in Iraq which is meaningful given that Rome has more than ample means to do so if that was the Church's thinking.

What Rome has called murders, however, are the abortion mills.

Mr. Ghost and Mr. King,
The distinction between killing and murder is of course what the concept of just war is all about. I don't know whether John Paul made a "formal" declaration or not. However, when a pope speaks out on this sort of matter, he is not simply giving a non-binding opinion.
I agree that in every war, innocents suffer. Wars are always started by those whose positions guarantee that their suffering is minimal. This should also give us pause about the prisoners we hold (many of whom were turned for ransom), and the use of torture.
The problem with being a superpower is that it makes people think that our country's needs, aims, desires, etc. trumps those of other countries, and our overwhelming military superiority (at a cost which is bankrupting us) makes force the means of achieving these goals. This guarantees an endless supply of enemies while bleeding us dry of resources that could be better used elsewhere.
At any rate, what I was writing about was the religious concept of a just war, not mine. There are certain conditions under which heads of religions have determined which wars are just. Although I can't recall the specific conditions, they require that a war be either in response to an attack or an imminent threat.

First Frank says:

"The late Pope, John Paul stated that our invasion of Iraq did not qualify as a "just war,"

then, when correct, he writes:

"I don't know whether John Paul made a "formal" declaration or not."

Yes, Frank it is obvoius that you don't know whether JPII [or Benedict XVI] made a "formal declaration or not as to whether Iraq was an unjust war because — now listen closely — NEITHER DID.

Then, Frank opines, "what I was writing about was the religious concept of a just war, not mine."

Frank, before you write about something, first learn what it is you're trying to discuss it. Okay? Don't just throw around terms you heard about because you think they sound good or that they fit your agenda.

You are on stronger grounds, however, when you commented on 1 the cost of the war, 2) the overextension of US military resources and 3) a general overextension of US commitments to keep peace in the workd. You better stick to that train of thought.

Mr. Ghost,
Pope John Paul did indeed declare that our invasion of Iraq did not meet the criteria of a just war. I am sorry that I can't provide a date, however it did occur.
My objective in providing this item for discussion was an honest attempt at dialogue. Mr. King replied about the relative justice and injustice of war. My explanation that I was writing about the religious and not my personal concept of a just war was directed at him.
As to your advice that I learn about that which I write, You would do well to follow your own advice. But thank you for not including any of your snarky nicknames or calling Mr. Obama by his middle name in your post. Here's some advice for you: It makes you sound stupid.

Pope JP II lamented the war in Iraq but he never formally declared it "an unjust war."

The Vacican has a diplomatic force that spans the planet and has it's own communication center that is larger than that of many nations. If the the pope had declared Iraq "an unjust war," you and everyone else would have know it. But he didn't.

So, is JPII keeping a secret (with you) on this matter and didn't see fit to share it with the rest of the world? Or, do you deem to speak on the pope's behalf?

The actual situation is that you have probably inferred from some of the popes statements that he thought the war was unjust. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. If the pope declared the Iraq war unjust, it would have made head lines across the world.

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Why are so concerned about the use of Obama's middle name –Hussein? It's legitimate. Is this an effort to keep certain information about Obama's background from the general public?

And if the use of the name "Hussein" in speaking about Obama upsets you, you must be totally unhinged over the showing of BO's pastor raving away in blind hate for America and whites, right?

So Frank, dare we speak about the bigot Rev. Wright and draw inferences about BHO without you getting your little nickers in a knot?

Ratzinger, current Pope, Sept 22, 2002…

"Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger does not believe that a unilateral military attack by the United States against Iraq would be morally justifiable, under the current circumstances.
According to the prefect of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith — who acknowledged that political questions are not within his competence — "the United Nations is the [institution] that should make the final decision."

"It is necessary that the community of nations makes the decision, not a particular power," the cardinal said, after receiving the 2002 Trieste Liberal Award. His statements were published Saturday in the Italian newspaper Avvenire.

"The fact that the United Nations is seeking the way to avoid war, seems to me to demonstrate with enough evidence that the damage would be greater than the values one hopes to save," the cardinal said.

He said that "the U.N. can be criticized" from several points of view, but "it is the instrument created after the war for the coordination — including moral — of politics."

The "concept of a 'preventive war' does not appear in the Catechism of the Catholic Church," Cardinal Ratzinger noted.

"One cannot simply say that the catechism does not legitimize the war," he continued. "But it is true that the catechism has developed a doctrine that, on one hand, does not exclude the fact that there are values and peoples that must be defended in some circumstances; on the other hand, it offers a very precise doctrine on the limits of these possibilities."

Clear enough?

I reject this…..

"Rev said……….
should all Catholics refuse to attend mass because they would be, by attending, associating with a child molesting organization? Should all Catholics have found a different denominational home rather than to be associated with pedophile perverts and the parent organization that covered it up?

There is a world of difference and I think King summed up most of it. The child molesting priests lived in the shadows and, those who became caught up in the wrath, were merely innocent bystanders. Parents were not aware of the atrocities and willfully bringing children back for more. Once these sick people were revealed, the congregations were held accountable and suffered."

This isn't even over reaching. It's, I'm sorry, simply ignorant.

Obama is being severely criticized by Alex types for not quitting his church because of Wright's oh-so-awful words. Right?

Roman Catholicism, a worldwide church, without doubt or question, covered up the fact that many, many of their priests had been molesting young boys. For decades. This terribly ugly situation became publicly known in recent years. The Leader of the Catholic faith transplanted one of the men who helped cover these horrible crimes up…..to work in the Vatican.

Apples to apples and all……The equivalency for a far greater crime…..pedophilia…..according to Alex…..is that the congregations suffered enough by the shame and humiliation of the whole thing.

However, the proper equivalency…..and even more so in view of molesting children versus speaking inlammatory words…..would be for Alex to call for, at the very least, American Catholic political leaders to leave the church.

Odd how he doesn't see it that way. Or maybe not.

More for the invisible thought processes of our local ghost…..

"The Pope is sending Cardinal Roger Etchegaray, his diplomatic troubleshooter, to Baghdad. Cardinal Etchegaray, a French Basque, has undertaken sensitive diplomatic missions for the Pope in the past. Last year he helped to negotiate an end to the siege of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, where Palestinian gunmen had taken refuge.

At the weekend the Pope said that efforts to stave off war must be multiplied. “One cannot do nothing in the face of terrorist attacks, but equally one cannot be idle in the face of the threats now on the horizon,” he said. “War is not inevitable.”

The case for a “just war” was made at the weekend by Michael Novak, a conservative Roman Catholic theologian and a close ally of President Bush, in talks with senior Vatican officials, including Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran, the Pope’s Foreign Secretary.

Under the principles of “just war”, as formulated by St Augustine of Hippo and later by St Thomas Aquinas, war can be waged only as a last resort and by a “legitimate authority”. It must be fought with “right intentions”, for example in self-defense or to redress a wrong, and with a reasonable chance of success to avoid excessive death and injury. The theory of just war also holds that civilian casualties must be avoided, that the means used must be proportionate and that the ultimate goal should be to establish a peace “preferable to what would have prevailed if the war had not been fought”.

Mr Novak, who today will address a conference in Rome on just war organized by James Nicholson, the US Ambassador to the Holy See, insisted that war against Iraq amounted to self-defense He told Archbishop Tauran that Saddam was using Iraqi scientists “to breed huge destruction in the US and Europe”. He said that those who opposed war would have a lot on their consciences if the United States failed to act and Americans were later killed by Saddam’s weapons. The Catholic catechism also justified the use of force provided that it was sanctioned by those responsible for the common good, Mr Novak said.

But the Archbishop, speaking for the Pope, said that US arguments were insufficient and that there was no imminent threat from Baghdad that could justify a war."

Now tell us all again….how was it that Pope John thought Iraq was a just war?

Neither JPII nor the current pope, the wonderful Beneduict XVI, said that Iraq was a just war …. and neither did ether of them condem that was as "unjust."

And it is funny to hear an atheist quote the Catholic Church, but then again, the Bible notes that the devil can quote Scripture [when it suits his purpose].

So rave on, Loon, about church matters; it will keep your little mind off B. Hussein Obama's disintegration and the wonderful chaos in the Dim primary. [And to think these clowns who can't even run their own primary dare to think America will let them handle the nation's health care. As sure as the sun sets in the West, the Dims will screw up health care even worse than their racist tinged primary.]

Rev,
Vince brings up a good point here. You have said repeatedly that those who believe in religion are unhinged, soooo….
why do you quote them when it is convenient for you ? Why do you care what the lunatic Pope thinks ?

And regarding your comparison of Rev. Wright to the Catholic pedophile scandal – If a priest in Chicago molests a little boy, it doesn't have much to do with my Catholic church in Akron, Ohio. That's the difference. I shouldn't stop attending my church because of something that happened in Chicago. That's where your comparison goes off the rails. On the other hand, if MY pastor was the pedophile (or racist), he should be disavowed and replaced, which is exactly what didn't happen in the case of Rev. Wright and Obama.

King,

B. Hussein Obama's sycophants are grasping at straws. This is a sign they are desperate. They know the bottom has fallen out, and that Barak the Magic Negro is in trouble plenty.

These apologists can concoct all the hair-brain excuses & rationalizations they want for Obama being in Wrght's church of hate for 20-years. But they know damn well that, when normal Americans get a load of Wright spewing his deep seated hatred of America and whites out of his ignorant mouth, they'll know how to vote.

And isn’t it amusing to see the contortions the Obama-maniacs twist themselves into? In one moment they are trying to cite the authority of the Catholic Church [incorrectly so] on Iraq having been declared an “unjust war,“ but then ignore the unambiguous Church teaching that abortion, the most sacred tenet of the Dim Party, is “intrinsically evil” and is murder.

Oh well, nobody ever said the Dims were logical, only that they lusted for political power like a dog in heat lusts for a bitch.