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		<title>By: Ghost of Vince Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2008/02/27/doin-the-nafta-hustle/comment-page-1/#comment-2000</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost of Vince Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BO is a boy in a grown-up&#039;s game. 

Once his &quot;magic&quot; wears off, the Dims are going to be asking themselves what were they thinking in nominating this empty suit for in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BO is a boy in a grown-up&#039;s game. </p>
<p>Once his &#034;magic&#034; wears off, the Dims are going to be asking themselves what were they thinking in nominating this empty suit for in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politics101,
Obama certainly did step in it with his comments about Jay Rockefeller. After reading that NIE on Iraq, Rockefeller came to the same conclusion as the majority of Democrats in the Senate did. Rockefeller made the following statement on  October 10, 2002:

&quot;There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years... The global community -- in the form of the United Nations -- has declared repeatedly, through multiple resolutions, that the frightening prospect of a nuclear-armed Saddam cannot come to pass. But the U.N. has been unable to enforce those resolutions. We must eliminate that threat now, before it is too late... Saddam Hussein represents a grave threat to the United States, and I have concluded we must use force to deal with him if all other means fail.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politics101,<br />
Obama certainly did step in it with his comments about Jay Rockefeller. After reading that NIE on Iraq, Rockefeller came to the same conclusion as the majority of Democrats in the Senate did. Rockefeller made the following statement on  October 10, 2002:</p>
<p>&#034;There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years&#8230; The global community &#8212; in the form of the United Nations &#8212; has declared repeatedly, through multiple resolutions, that the frightening prospect of a nuclear-armed Saddam cannot come to pass. But the U.N. has been unable to enforce those resolutions. We must eliminate that threat now, before it is too late&#8230; Saddam Hussein represents a grave threat to the United States, and I have concluded we must use force to deal with him if all other means fail.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff, Vince. It occurs to me that most of the third parties we have today are not centrist (Libertarian, Green, Taxpayer&#039;s), which probably explains why they are marginal. Ross Perot&#039;s group was the last third party/independent group that made any real inroads, and Perot did have appeal to both Democrats and Republicans. I always wondered what would have happened if Perot hadn&#039;t quit in the middle at the peak of his support.

I agree with those authors in at least one sense. Elections are decided by the political center, not the left or right fringes. Most of the ideas may come from the left and right, but most voters don&#039;t really dwell there. I think most voters dislike both parties, and in general, the party that wins is the one disliked the least. After 8 years of Bush, that favors the Dems now.

I&#039;d have to see which principles were chosen from the left and right to makeup that radical center party before I signed on, but since I&#039;m one of the fringe dwellers, I&#039;d probably be left out in the cold, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff, Vince. It occurs to me that most of the third parties we have today are not centrist (Libertarian, Green, Taxpayer&#039;s), which probably explains why they are marginal. Ross Perot&#039;s group was the last third party/independent group that made any real inroads, and Perot did have appeal to both Democrats and Republicans. I always wondered what would have happened if Perot hadn&#039;t quit in the middle at the peak of his support.</p>
<p>I agree with those authors in at least one sense. Elections are decided by the political center, not the left or right fringes. Most of the ideas may come from the left and right, but most voters don&#039;t really dwell there. I think most voters dislike both parties, and in general, the party that wins is the one disliked the least. After 8 years of Bush, that favors the Dems now.</p>
<p>I&#039;d have to see which principles were chosen from the left and right to makeup that radical center party before I signed on, but since I&#039;m one of the fringe dwellers, I&#039;d probably be left out in the cold, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Politics101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Politics101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOa3sXjqE4

Jack Nicholson endorese Hillary


Also a FUBAR by Obama:

Misleading Attack: Sen. Obama Flubs in Ohio
Earlier today, Sen. Obama attacked Hillary on Iraq by invoking Sen. Rockefeller and incorrectly saying that the WVA Senator opposed the 2002 Iraq vote. The truth is that Sen. Rockefeller voted for the war resolution - not against it as Sen. Obama suggested to the people of Ohio. This seems to be an Obama campaign talking point since its top strategist also claimed that Sen. Rockefeller voted against the war resolution when he was on national television this morning.

&quot;Sen. Obama is so desperate to divert attention from his limited national security experience that he&#039;s not just misleading voters about Sen. Clinton, he&#039;s also misleading voters about his own supporters. That is not change you can believe in.&quot; -- Clinton spokesperson Phil Singer</description>
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<p>Jack Nicholson endorese Hillary</p>
<p>Also a FUBAR by Obama:</p>
<p>Misleading Attack: Sen. Obama Flubs in Ohio<br />
Earlier today, Sen. Obama attacked Hillary on Iraq by invoking Sen. Rockefeller and incorrectly saying that the WVA Senator opposed the 2002 Iraq vote. The truth is that Sen. Rockefeller voted for the war resolution &#8211; not against it as Sen. Obama suggested to the people of Ohio. This seems to be an Obama campaign talking point since its top strategist also claimed that Sen. Rockefeller voted against the war resolution when he was on national television this morning.</p>
<p>&#034;Sen. Obama is so desperate to divert attention from his limited national security experience that he&#039;s not just misleading voters about Sen. Clinton, he&#039;s also misleading voters about his own supporters. That is not change you can believe in.&#034; &#8212; Clinton spokesperson Phil Singer</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost of Vince Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghost of Vince Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A third party?

To those who are dissatisfied with the state of today’s politics and call for a third party, does the following strike a cord?

“More Americans (42-percent) identify themselves as independents that either Democrats or Republicans. Astonishing as it may seem, a clear polarity of Americans have become hostile to the two parties that have defined our nation’s politics for the past century that they have preferred “neither of the above” even in the absence of a serious alternative. Political analysts like to talk about electoral “realignment” in favor of one party or another, but what is occurring here is something altogether different -- we are experiencing a large-scale political dealignment. 

“This striking dealignment suggests that our Democratic and Republican Parties have failed the two most important tests of American politics: the ability to unite a majority of citizens in a lasting coalition, and the ability to find workable solutions to the problems of our time. Having been captured by their own extremes, both parties are increasingly incapable of promoting majority views across a range of issues. Second, both remain so wedded to the ideas and institutions of the last century [the 20th Century] that neither has proven itself capable of rising to the challenges of the next. Our nation’s politics are dominated by two feuding dinosaurs that have outlived the world in which they evolved.”

This is from the opening page of the “Radical Center” (2002) by Ted Halstead and Michael Lind. This book makes an intriguing case for the creation of a radical center party that is a composite of Republican and Democratic principles. Such a party will have much that conservatives like and dislike as well as things that progressives like and dislike. 

Halstead &amp; Lind say that the conditions have been ripe for some time now for such a re-alignment to take place but that inertia and the status quo have frozen the political structure in place. Specifically, Halstead &amp; Lind say that the Democratic Party is in the hands of the leftists  &amp; progressives while the GOP is held by the libertarians and the religious right. 

They feel that it will take a major crisis of some sort to precipitate the actual re-alignment, as was the case in the past with, for example, the Civil War and the Great Depression. 

These authors believe that already the coalitions that form the bases of the Democratic and Republican parties are beginning to fissure, perhaps irreparably. (This does seem to be the case today.)   

But a third party is the unlikely to be the new centrist party. Historically, when third parties rose, if their ideas were attractive, they got co-opted by one of the major parties. This means either the Democrats or the Republican party is more likely to evolve into the a new centrist party than for a third party to assume that role.

This seems correct. Both parties have tremendous infrastructure &amp; staffing that begins at the local level and reaches all the way up to the top nationally. This will not disappear. 

To quote Halstead &amp; Lind: “The future of American politics may well belong to the major party that is first to renounce its more extreme positions and embrace a new Radical Centrist agenda.“ 

Right now without a doubt that party appears to be the GOP. Why? Because, John McCain is the bane of conservatives precisely because he has taken centrist positions whereas B. Hussein Obama is a straight up-and-down liberal -- a man in fact who has been the most liberal senator in Washington in the past year or so. McCain can [and has] work with Democrats; Obama has not [and probably can&#039;t] work with Republicans. 

According to Halstead &amp; Lind&#039;s thinking, if one of the major parties does evolve into a radical center party, those who are today&#039;s hard core progressives and conservatives, if they do not change with the times, will be left on the fringes of the political landscape. Some activists will move, others will not. 

Agree or disagree with Halstead &amp; Lind, the agruments and logic they present in &quot;The Radical Center&quot; cannot be dismissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A third party?</p>
<p>To those who are dissatisfied with the state of today’s politics and call for a third party, does the following strike a cord?</p>
<p>“More Americans (42-percent) identify themselves as independents that either Democrats or Republicans. Astonishing as it may seem, a clear polarity of Americans have become hostile to the two parties that have defined our nation’s politics for the past century that they have preferred “neither of the above” even in the absence of a serious alternative. Political analysts like to talk about electoral “realignment” in favor of one party or another, but what is occurring here is something altogether different &#8212; we are experiencing a large-scale political dealignment. </p>
<p>“This striking dealignment suggests that our Democratic and Republican Parties have failed the two most important tests of American politics: the ability to unite a majority of citizens in a lasting coalition, and the ability to find workable solutions to the problems of our time. Having been captured by their own extremes, both parties are increasingly incapable of promoting majority views across a range of issues. Second, both remain so wedded to the ideas and institutions of the last century [the 20th Century] that neither has proven itself capable of rising to the challenges of the next. Our nation’s politics are dominated by two feuding dinosaurs that have outlived the world in which they evolved.”</p>
<p>This is from the opening page of the “Radical Center” (2002) by Ted Halstead and Michael Lind. This book makes an intriguing case for the creation of a radical center party that is a composite of Republican and Democratic principles. Such a party will have much that conservatives like and dislike as well as things that progressives like and dislike. </p>
<p>Halstead &amp; Lind say that the conditions have been ripe for some time now for such a re-alignment to take place but that inertia and the status quo have frozen the political structure in place. Specifically, Halstead &amp; Lind say that the Democratic Party is in the hands of the leftists  &amp; progressives while the GOP is held by the libertarians and the religious right. </p>
<p>They feel that it will take a major crisis of some sort to precipitate the actual re-alignment, as was the case in the past with, for example, the Civil War and the Great Depression. </p>
<p>These authors believe that already the coalitions that form the bases of the Democratic and Republican parties are beginning to fissure, perhaps irreparably. (This does seem to be the case today.)   </p>
<p>But a third party is the unlikely to be the new centrist party. Historically, when third parties rose, if their ideas were attractive, they got co-opted by one of the major parties. This means either the Democrats or the Republican party is more likely to evolve into the a new centrist party than for a third party to assume that role.</p>
<p>This seems correct. Both parties have tremendous infrastructure &amp; staffing that begins at the local level and reaches all the way up to the top nationally. This will not disappear. </p>
<p>To quote Halstead &amp; Lind: “The future of American politics may well belong to the major party that is first to renounce its more extreme positions and embrace a new Radical Centrist agenda.“ </p>
<p>Right now without a doubt that party appears to be the GOP. Why? Because, John McCain is the bane of conservatives precisely because he has taken centrist positions whereas B. Hussein Obama is a straight up-and-down liberal &#8212; a man in fact who has been the most liberal senator in Washington in the past year or so. McCain can [and has] work with Democrats; Obama has not [and probably can't] work with Republicans. </p>
<p>According to Halstead &amp; Lind&#039;s thinking, if one of the major parties does evolve into a radical center party, those who are today&#039;s hard core progressives and conservatives, if they do not change with the times, will be left on the fringes of the political landscape. Some activists will move, others will not. </p>
<p>Agree or disagree with Halstead &amp; Lind, the agruments and logic they present in &#034;The Radical Center&#034; cannot be dismissed.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fred, 
I&#039;m up for that third party, but it&#039;s gonna take a boatload of money to unseat the Dem/Repub power duopoly. I think we&#039;ll have to ask the Saudis, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fred,<br />
I&#039;m up for that third party, but it&#039;s gonna take a boatload of money to unseat the Dem/Repub power duopoly. I think we&#039;ll have to ask the Saudis, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince, 
You are right when you say terminating NAFTA won&#039;t bring jobs to Ohio. Canada and Mexico are two of our top three trading partners, and the majority of Ohio&#039;s exports go to those two countries. The isolationist days are long gone, and they won&#039;t be coming back. Our government should be concentrating on making our own companies more competitive in the world (by lowering our ridiculously high corporate tax rate, for one), not taking down free trade agreements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince,<br />
You are right when you say terminating NAFTA won&#039;t bring jobs to Ohio. Canada and Mexico are two of our top three trading partners, and the majority of Ohio&#039;s exports go to those two countries. The isolationist days are long gone, and they won&#039;t be coming back. Our government should be concentrating on making our own companies more competitive in the world (by lowering our ridiculously high corporate tax rate, for one), not taking down free trade agreements.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And both Obama and Hillary said they will terminate NAFTA if they can&#039;t renegotiate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And both Obama and Hillary said they will terminate NAFTA if they can&#039;t renegotiate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev, 
You said, &quot;In addition, you are wrong about the NAFTA/job losses overseas connection. Instead of Mexico winding up with all the new low paying jobs, as was expected, re-sellers, like Wal-Mart, found a lower wage offer over in China&quot;.

Huh ? You proved my point here. Walmart buying from China has nothing to do with NAFTA, which applies only to Canada/USA/Mexico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev,<br />
You said, &#034;In addition, you are wrong about the NAFTA/job losses overseas connection. Instead of Mexico winding up with all the new low paying jobs, as was expected, re-sellers, like Wal-Mart, found a lower wage offer over in China&#034;.</p>
<p>Huh ? You proved my point here. Walmart buying from China has nothing to do with NAFTA, which applies only to Canada/USA/Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like those Canadian knee padders are trying to slander the Manchurian Messiah now, too. Where will it end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like those Canadian knee padders are trying to slander the Manchurian Messiah now, too. Where will it end?</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy helps to spread yet another lie with his comment above.

Here&#039;s the truth....

The New York Observer managed to track down Austan Goolsbee, the Obama adviser who, according to the latest report on Canada TV, was the one who may have told a Canadian official that Obama&#039;s anti-NAFTA stump speech is merely &quot;campaign rhetoric.&quot;

And Goolsbee denies it:

“It is a totally inaccurate story,” he said. “I did not call these people and I direct you to the press office.”
Meanwhile, Obama spokesperson Bill Burton also denies this latest round, via email:

This story is not true. There was no one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere, who said or otherwise implied Obama was backing away from his consistent position on trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy helps to spread yet another lie with his comment above.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s the truth&#8230;.</p>
<p>The New York Observer managed to track down Austan Goolsbee, the Obama adviser who, according to the latest report on Canada TV, was the one who may have told a Canadian official that Obama&#039;s anti-NAFTA stump speech is merely &#034;campaign rhetoric.&#034;</p>
<p>And Goolsbee denies it:</p>
<p>“It is a totally inaccurate story,” he said. “I did not call these people and I direct you to the press office.”<br />
Meanwhile, Obama spokesperson Bill Burton also denies this latest round, via email:</p>
<p>This story is not true. There was no one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere, who said or otherwise implied Obama was backing away from his consistent position on trade.</p>
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		<title>By: da truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>da truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince, 

You say that keeping Hilary in it is good for the R&#039;s.  Which, as everyone who reads this blog knows, you think anything R is good for the country, since everyone else is a Socialist.  Yet, at the same time, you say

&quot;I myself don’t have the stomach to pull the lever for her, but more power to you if you can.&quot;

So, you imply that even though you know what is best for America, you aren&#039;t willing to do it.  Interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince, </p>
<p>You say that keeping Hilary in it is good for the R&#039;s.  Which, as everyone who reads this blog knows, you think anything R is good for the country, since everyone else is a Socialist.  Yet, at the same time, you say</p>
<p>&#034;I myself don’t have the stomach to pull the lever for her, but more power to you if you can.&#034;</p>
<p>So, you imply that even though you know what is best for America, you aren&#039;t willing to do it.  Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost of Vince Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghost of Vince Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t these people realize that we live in the age of the Internet, bloggers, talk radio, photo-taking cell phones, etc.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t these people realize that we live in the age of the Internet, bloggers, talk radio, photo-taking cell phones, etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is now telling Ohioans that he wants to change NAFTA while telling the Canadian government he has no plans to do so.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/more-on-that-ca.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is now telling Ohioans that he wants to change NAFTA while telling the Canadian government he has no plans to do so.<br />
<a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/more-on-that-ca.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/more-on-that-ca.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: roysoldboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roysoldboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev Red, I think if you read carefully what I said it wasn&#039;t at all that Neal Boortz is the one I see as the main political thinker of today.  I believe that you could read a bit more carefully it was Newt Gingrich and since I read him and you refuse to do so because he was a Republican long ago, you can never know what he is saying today.  His Solutions for American are not based on either Democrat or Republican thinking but on what he thinks would be best for the nation.  You are too busy with your socialistic thinking to even look at what Gingrich is saying and therefor you are thinking about him in the 1990s.  This is the 21st century and you need to come on up to where we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev Red, I think if you read carefully what I said it wasn&#039;t at all that Neal Boortz is the one I see as the main political thinker of today.  I believe that you could read a bit more carefully it was Newt Gingrich and since I read him and you refuse to do so because he was a Republican long ago, you can never know what he is saying today.  His Solutions for American are not based on either Democrat or Republican thinking but on what he thinks would be best for the nation.  You are too busy with your socialistic thinking to even look at what Gingrich is saying and therefor you are thinking about him in the 1990s.  This is the 21st century and you need to come on up to where we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost of Vince Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghost of Vince Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

As much as I see an advantage for voting for Comrade Hillary, I still can do it. But I would like to see her win here next week. 

++++

From: The American Thinker Online
Date: February 29, 2008
By: Rick Moran
Subject: Poll Shows Obama Pulling Away in Tx; gaining in OH


It appears that next Tuesday may very well prove to be Hillary Clinton&#039;s swan song. The latest Zogby/C-Span/Houston Chronicle Poll shows Senator Barack Obama pulling away in Texas while Ohio appears to be a dead heat:

Texas - Democrats
 
Clinton
 42%
 
Obama
 48%
 
Gravel
 &lt;1%

Someone else
 3%
 
Not sure
 7%



Ohio - Democrats
  
Clinton
 44%
 
Obama
 42%
 
Gravel
 1%
 
Someone else
 5%

Not sure
 9%


It appears that Hillary just can&#039;t stop Obama&#039;s momentum no matter what she tries.

It should be said that Zogby has been on of the more unreliable barometers in this primary season. But the poll reflects similar gains by Obama in other polls. 

Clinton is desperately trying to hold on to her white working class base in Ohio. If she wins there but loses in Texas does she stay in?

My guess is unless she loses both she will remain a candidate despite a chorus of entreaties from other Democrats pleading with her to get out of the race. She will probably make the argument that the Democrats don&#039;t have much of a chance in Texas during the November election anyway and that a victory in Ohio means her campaign is still viable.

If she loses both states and still insists on staying in, watch for a big name Democrat to sit down with her - sort of like an intervention for addiction - and tell her its over and she better get out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>As much as I see an advantage for voting for Comrade Hillary, I still can do it. But I would like to see her win here next week. </p>
<p>++++</p>
<p>From: The American Thinker Online<br />
Date: February 29, 2008<br />
By: Rick Moran<br />
Subject: Poll Shows Obama Pulling Away in Tx; gaining in OH</p>
<p>It appears that next Tuesday may very well prove to be Hillary Clinton&#039;s swan song. The latest Zogby/C-Span/Houston Chronicle Poll shows Senator Barack Obama pulling away in Texas while Ohio appears to be a dead heat:</p>
<p>Texas &#8211; Democrats</p>
<p>Clinton<br />
 42%</p>
<p>Obama<br />
 48%</p>
<p>Gravel<br />
 &lt;1%</p>
<p>Someone else<br />
 3%</p>
<p>Not sure<br />
 7%</p>
<p>Ohio &#8211; Democrats</p>
<p>Clinton<br />
 44%</p>
<p>Obama<br />
 42%</p>
<p>Gravel<br />
 1%</p>
<p>Someone else<br />
 5%</p>
<p>Not sure<br />
 9%</p>
<p>It appears that Hillary just can&#039;t stop Obama&#039;s momentum no matter what she tries.</p>
<p>It should be said that Zogby has been on of the more unreliable barometers in this primary season. But the poll reflects similar gains by Obama in other polls. </p>
<p>Clinton is desperately trying to hold on to her white working class base in Ohio. If she wins there but loses in Texas does she stay in?</p>
<p>My guess is unless she loses both she will remain a candidate despite a chorus of entreaties from other Democrats pleading with her to get out of the race. She will probably make the argument that the Democrats don&#039;t have much of a chance in Texas during the November election anyway and that a victory in Ohio means her campaign is still viable.</p>
<p>If she loses both states and still insists on staying in, watch for a big name Democrat to sit down with her &#8211; sort of like an intervention for addiction &#8211; and tell her its over and she better get out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonah James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proof that Hillary doesn&#039;t keep her promises from a major paper in upstate New York, the state she supposedly represents in the Senate:

http://www.syracuse.com/articles/news/index.ssf?/base/news-0/120427921794150.xml&amp;coll=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proof that Hillary doesn&#039;t keep her promises from a major paper in upstate New York, the state she supposedly represents in the Senate:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.syracuse.com/articles/news/index.ssf?/base/news-0/120427921794150.xml&#038;coll=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.syracuse.com/articles/news/index.ssf?/base/news-0/120427921794150.xml&#038;coll=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: da truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>da truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon Vince.  By saying that, you are saying McCain strengthens America, and you know you don&#039;t believe that, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#039;mon Vince.  By saying that, you are saying McCain strengthens America, and you know you don&#039;t believe that, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost of Vince Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghost of Vince Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is much to be said for Rush&#039;s advise in that Newsmax link you provided of voting for Comrade Hillary on March 4 in Ohio &amp; Texas just to keep the &quot;uncivil war&quot; among the Dims going.

I myself don’t have the stomach to pull the lever for her, but more power to you if you can 

This Dim primary is like the war between Iraq &amp; Iran in the 1980&#039;s. It&#039;s almost irrelevant who wins. As long as both are weaken, America wins.

So yes, keep &#039;em fighting among themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is much to be said for Rush&#039;s advise in that Newsmax link you provided of voting for Comrade Hillary on March 4 in Ohio &amp; Texas just to keep the &#034;uncivil war&#034; among the Dims going.</p>
<p>I myself don’t have the stomach to pull the lever for her, but more power to you if you can </p>
<p>This Dim primary is like the war between Iraq &amp; Iran in the 1980&#039;s. It&#039;s almost irrelevant who wins. As long as both are weaken, America wins.</p>
<p>So yes, keep &#039;em fighting among themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roy says of Neil Boortz

&quot;...trying to educate people in established parties about the thoughts he generates from maybe the most fertile political brain around.&quot;

The Reverend says: You know, fertile ground usually is fertile because it has a lot of manure in it.

roy again...

 &quot;I could much easier succumb to the thinking of Newt Gingrich than become a blind follower of Obama.&quot; 

To which The Reverend says: Succombing to the thinking of Gingrich would be like succombing to carbon monoxide. Asphyxiation from noxious fumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roy says of Neil Boortz</p>
<p>&#034;&#8230;trying to educate people in established parties about the thoughts he generates from maybe the most fertile political brain around.&#034;</p>
<p>The Reverend says: You know, fertile ground usually is fertile because it has a lot of manure in it.</p>
<p>roy again&#8230;</p>
<p> &#034;I could much easier succumb to the thinking of Newt Gingrich than become a blind follower of Obama.&#034; </p>
<p>To which The Reverend says: Succombing to the thinking of Gingrich would be like succombing to carbon monoxide. Asphyxiation from noxious fumes.</p>
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		<title>By: roysoldboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roysoldboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***&quot;Politicians will never take the initiative to better inform their constituent base. It would be suicide. Instead, they rely on the ignorance of the majority to succeed. This is the most depressing factor.&#039;***

***Alexander, you said it all with that quote. That, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with our political system.***

da truth, I was impressed by anybody in present company agreeing with Alexander and how he thinks about politicisns.  However, I can, and do, take exception with you and all others who talk that way when I believe that there is a politician who is trying very hard to keep us informed.  The problem is that he hasn&#039;t been involved in the game called primary politics this year but has been trying to get a base for that third party going.  I read him all the time and have very little problem with agreeing with nearly every thing I read.

Ok, King and Boortz could grow a viable third party that both of us could go along with.  King&#039;s brain and Boortz&#039;s money might do it.  However my man isn&#039;t trying to start a third party as much as trying to educate people in established parties about the thoughts he generates from maybe the most fertile political brain around.  Alright, I will admit that I could much easier succumb to the thinking of Newt Gingrich than become a blind follower of Obama.  Since there is so little difference in the socialistic beliefs of Obama and Clinton when I say anything negative about one you can assume that I am talking about both, just as King says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***&#034;Politicians will never take the initiative to better inform their constituent base. It would be suicide. Instead, they rely on the ignorance of the majority to succeed. This is the most depressing factor.&#039;***</p>
<p>***Alexander, you said it all with that quote. That, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with our political system.***</p>
<p>da truth, I was impressed by anybody in present company agreeing with Alexander and how he thinks about politicisns.  However, I can, and do, take exception with you and all others who talk that way when I believe that there is a politician who is trying very hard to keep us informed.  The problem is that he hasn&#039;t been involved in the game called primary politics this year but has been trying to get a base for that third party going.  I read him all the time and have very little problem with agreeing with nearly every thing I read.</p>
<p>Ok, King and Boortz could grow a viable third party that both of us could go along with.  King&#039;s brain and Boortz&#039;s money might do it.  However my man isn&#039;t trying to start a third party as much as trying to educate people in established parties about the thoughts he generates from maybe the most fertile political brain around.  Alright, I will admit that I could much easier succumb to the thinking of Newt Gingrich than become a blind follower of Obama.  Since there is so little difference in the socialistic beliefs of Obama and Clinton when I say anything negative about one you can assume that I am talking about both, just as King says.</p>
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		<title>By: da truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>da truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander, that link goes right to heart of something king and I have discussed before.  Despite my D and his R, we agree that Mrs. Clinton cannot win a general election against any R candidate.  I&#039;m starting to think Obama can&#039;t either, but the Rs have been waiting for her for some time now, and she has no chance to win the Presidency.  So, I will not be surprised if the Rs come out as Ds for a day.  However, those of us on the left are not surprised by this.  We&#039;ve seen it coming for some time now....if she wins, so does McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexander, that link goes right to heart of something king and I have discussed before.  Despite my D and his R, we agree that Mrs. Clinton cannot win a general election against any R candidate.  I&#039;m starting to think Obama can&#039;t either, but the Rs have been waiting for her for some time now, and she has no chance to win the Presidency.  So, I will not be surprised if the Rs come out as Ds for a day.  However, those of us on the left are not surprised by this.  We&#039;ve seen it coming for some time now&#8230;.if she wins, so does McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: da truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>da truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Politicians will never take the initiative to better inform their constituent base. It would be suicide. Instead, they rely on the ignorance of the majority to succeed. This is the most depressing factor.&#039;

Alexander, you said it all with that quote.  That, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with our political system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Politicians will never take the initiative to better inform their constituent base. It would be suicide. Instead, they rely on the ignorance of the majority to succeed. This is the most depressing factor.&#039;</p>
<p>Alexander, you said it all with that quote.  That, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with our political system.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, I&#039;ve been saying this for weeks. Hopefully, Texas follows suit. The beauty of it is...........pollsters will be blinded by this. See link.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/republicans_vote_hillary/2008/02/28/76379.html?s=al&amp;promo_code=4616-1

I&#039;ll easily pimp myself out for the primaries when it pertains to the balance of the supreme court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, I&#039;ve been saying this for weeks. Hopefully, Texas follows suit. The beauty of it is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..pollsters will be blinded by this. See link.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/republicans_vote_hillary/2008/02/28/76379.html?s=al&#038;promo_code=4616-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/republicans_vote_hillary/2008/02/28/76379.html?s=al&#038;promo_code=4616-1</a></p>
<p>I&#039;ll easily pimp myself out for the primaries when it pertains to the balance of the supreme court.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>da truth.............well spoken and well received. 

Politicians will never take the initiative to better inform their constituent base. It would be suicide. Instead, they rely on the ignorance of the majority to succeed. This is the most depressing factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>da truth&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.well spoken and well received. </p>
<p>Politicians will never take the initiative to better inform their constituent base. It would be suicide. Instead, they rely on the ignorance of the majority to succeed. This is the most depressing factor.</p>
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