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If We Really Want Things To Change…

by Da King on January 2, 2008

in freedom,GOP,presidential race,Uncategorized

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Every four years, we hear our presidential candidates talk about the need for change. Most of them refer to themselves as candidates for change, even if they've spent a lifetime inside the Beltway. You rarely hear a candidate say 'I want to be the candidate for the status quo !'. Such a candidate wouldn't get many votes. The closest they get to that is to call themselves the candidate of experience. Sometimes, candidates want to take us back to the past, like Republican Reagan impersonators, or Democrats longing for the 90's. On the Democratic side, Obama, Edwards, and Hillary are all trying to be the 'change' candidate. Being viewed by america as the candidate who will bring change is almost always an attractive position in which to reside, because one thing americans can agree on, regardless of where they stand on the political spectrum, is that the status quo is messed up. That's certainly true now, as the President, Congress, Democrats, and Republicans all have low approval ratings.

With all these candidates who supposedly represent change running for office year after year, a logical question to ask is 'why don't things ever change ?'. The answer is – because none of these politicians really represents much of a change at all. When Democrats are elected, government gets bigger, more intrusive, and we go deeper in debt. On the other hand, when Republicans are elected…government gets bigger, more intrusive, and we go deeper in debt. The differences between the two parties are only in what areas are emphasized in the bigger, more intrusive, and ever more expensive government. It reminds me of the Ghostbusters movie, where Gozer asks the Ghostbusters to choose the method of their own destruction. Whichever method is chosen, destruction is the end result.

But this year, there is a candidate running for president who really does represent change, and he's right in one of the major political parties, not in one of the fringe third parties where the true reform candidates are usually found. His name is Ron Paul, a Republican from Texas (though he's really a Libertarian).

Democrats like Paul because he's against the Iraq war. Republicans like Paul because he's for limited constitutional government. Independents like him for one or both reasons. Libertarians like him because he's one of them. Ron Paul was the Libertarian candidate for president in 1988. The general voting public didn't notice him back then. I doubt if one american in a hundred could name the last Libertarian candidate for president (it was Michael Badnarik, also from Texas), much less the one from 1988. People are noticing Ron Paul now, especially on the internet, and his campaign is raising lots of money. The problem is, nobody is voting for him, at least according to the polls. His poll numbers are between 3-6%, and Fox News intends to leave Ron Paul out of their upcoming debates, because his poll numbers are too low (Fox is also leaving out Duncan Hunter). So, I'm wondering, do we really want things to change, or do we just pay lip service to the notion, as we keep voting for the status quo over and over ? They say you get the government you deserve. Maybe we do.

On the Change-O-Meter, Ron Paul is off the scale compared to the rest of the pols running for president (I'm exclusing Dennis Kucinich on purpose). Here are Ron Paul's stances on issues:

On foreign policy – Not only would Ron Paul immediately pull all the soldiers out of Iraq. He'd pull them all out of Germany, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and anywhere that isn't part of the United States as well. Paul's foreign policy position is non-interventionist, unless the USA is directly threatened. No more United States of America as world policeman. Even though I disagree with this position of Paul's, it should be enormously attractive to many US citizens, who don't like that we mess about in foreign countries and wish we'd just take care of our own here at home.

On debt and taxes – Paul would dramatically slash the size of government, give people back their tax dollars, and eliminate the Federal Reserve (watch out Ron. The last two who tried to abolish the Federal Reserve were John F Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln. Look what happened to them). One thing Paul points out in this area is that if we cut the size of the federal government in half, it would be roughly the size it was just ten short years ago. Think about that for a minute. It's pretty shocking that the size of the government doubled in just over ten years. It isn't just some anomaly under Bush either. It's been happening all along, and expect it to continue and get worse with the future Social Security/Medicare unfunded liabilities.

On illegal immigration – Secure borders immediately. No amnesty. No welfare for illegals. No rewards for breaking the laws of the USA. End birthright citizenship for illegals.

On free trade and world government bodies – Ron Paul says, "So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA are a threat to our independence as a nation. They transfer power from our government to unelected foreign elites".

On education – Ron Paul says, "The federal government does not own our children. Yet we act as if it does by letting it decide when, how, and what our children will learn. We have turned their futures over to lobbyists and bureaucrats…I want to abolish the unconstitutional, wasteful Department of Education and return its functions to the states. By removing the federal subsidies that inflate costs, schools can be funded by local taxes, and parents and teachers can directly decide how best to allocate the resources. To help parents with the costs of schooling, I have introduced H.R. 1056, the Family Education Freedom Act, in Congress. This bill would allow parents a tax credit of up to $5,000 (adjustable after 2007 for inflation) per student per year for the cost of attendance at an elementary and/or secondary school. This includes private, parochial, religious, and home schools".

On health care – Ron Paul says, "The federal government decided long ago that it knew how to manage your health care better than you and replaced personal responsibility and accountability with a system that puts corporate interests first. Our free market health care system that was once the envy of the world became a federally-managed disaster. It is time to take back our health care. This is why I support:
– Making all medical expenses tax deductible.
– Eliminating federal regulations that discourage small businesses from providing coverage.
– Giving doctors the freedom to collectively negotiate with insurance companies and drive down the cost of medical care.
– Making every American eligible for a Health Savings Account (HSA), and removing the requirement that individuals must obtain a high-deductible insurance policy before opening an HSA.
– Reform licensure requirements so that pharmacists and nurses can perform some basic functions to increase access to care and lower costs.

I can go on and on with this stuff, but I don't want this to get too long. Check out Ron Paul's website at the link above. Ron Paul's positions are based on the US Constitutition. Kind of ironic that they should be so far out of the mainstream in several areas then, isn't it ?

If you really want change, this is the guy.

  • Ghost of Vince Forrester

    King,

    There's no doubt that Ron Paul is the candidate that is advocating the greatst amount of "change." But so what?

    The fact is people can only tolerate so much change at any given time. Too much change leads to disorentation and even chaos. And besides, the "change" the Left wants is different than the "change" the right wants. Who wants "change" just for change's sake? Change, if it is to have any meaning, has to be discriminating.

    But more telling, many of Paul's "change" positions are not supported by the general public. As much as I may find it regrettable, most people do NOT want the size of government shrunk as Newt found this out when he closed the government down in the mid 1990's. But even I would have second thoughts about shrinking the federal government by 50%.

    Nor do most people accept Paul's isolationist foreign policy. They think it's crazy. If it is not, then Paul and his fellow libertarinas should better explain the wisdom of their position.

    And if Paul is a traditional libertarian, he's also for the legalization of drugs, another thing most people would turn thumbs down on.

    They say libertarians make up about 5 to 7 percent of the GOP. There's a reason for that. The libertarian positions are not accepted by the general population. They are viewed as too harsh; too immature; too selfish.

  • The Reverend

    Paul is wrong on a lot of things…..some of the things you have included. Not much chance.

    But you have the FOX GOP debate in New Hampshire wrong. Fred Thompson is polling lower than Ron Paul and Thompson has been invited.

    FOX doesn't want Paul's views on Iraq, the middle east and foreign policy to be heard. Simple as that.

  • da truth

    Wow, king, this is by far your best post to date. I don't agree with everything Paul stands for, but then I have never agreed with anything that any candidate stands for, whether it was when I was a Republican or since I switched over to Democrat. However, your message is absolutely right. It is clear that the two parties do not want change. It is worth voting for Paul for that reason alone, however, he does offer at least some actual proposed solutions on these things.

    King, you said:

    With all these candidates who supposedly represent change running for office year after year, a logical question to ask is 'why don't things ever change ?'. The answer is – because none of these politicians really represents much of a change at all. When Democrats are elected, government gets bigger, more intrusive, and we go deeper in debt. On the other hand, when Republicans are elected…government gets bigger, more intrusive, and we go deeper in debt. The differences between the two parties are only in what areas are emphasized in the bigger, more intrusive, and ever more expensive government. It reminds me of the Ghostbusters movie, where Gozer asks the Ghostbusters to choose the method of their own destruction. Whichever method is chosen, destruction is the end result.

    That is absolutely the truth.

    Your argument on this point is one that I have spouted for years, and one that I truly believe gets to the heart of the problem. By November, there will be two legitimate choices for President. By legitimate, I mean two who can actually win, not necessarily that they are the best qualified persons to be President. When I go the store to buy laundry detergent, I don't have to choose between Tide and Shout. There are plenty of other choices if I don't like those brands. In politics, especially at the Federal level, we have no other choices but R or D. How could I, as a D, vote for John Kerry in 2004 when I knew he was clearly not qualified to be President? Why didn't I have a legitimate choice other than him or President Bush?

    Ghost, you make some very valid points about what the general public is ready for….but when will enough be enough? Until citizens decide the two party system does not work; that both parties are only interested in power, things will not change. I personally don't see it starting on the federal level. I think it's going to have to happen on the local and State levels to a greater degree and work it's way up. Unless a candidate like Paul comes along that has the financial wherewithal of Ross Perot and the charisma of Bill Clintion. I wish that person were out there.

    Finally, king, thank you for not bringing up Mr. Kucinich. I wish the rest of my democratic brethren could follow your lead on that one.

  • larry d.

    What would Congress be ready for? How much actual change could Paul accomplish? It might turn into a fiasco.

  • Ghost of Vince Forrester

    "….but when will enough be enough? "

    Given history, the political status quo will be toppled only when the country faces a true crisis.

    Right now, things are too good for that to happen. Sure, people bellyache & complain about this-and-that, but things in general have never been better. And it is for that reason that the American public will essentially let the political establishment to continue to muddle through.

  • Da King

    Vince,
    I was a member of the Libertarian party in the 90's. You cited many of the reasons why I am no longer a member of that party. Isolationist foreign policy is a big one. That is naive, especially in the nuclear/terrorism age. The global age is here. I also don't want heroin to be available at the corner convenience store, which would be the case if Libertarianism were taken to the extreme. The LP does advocate legalizing drugs.

    However, I do share Ron Paul's core beliefs of constitutionality, limited government, and liberty, which drove me to the Libertarians to begin with. The biggest threat to liberty is the intrusion of our own government. The Founders knew that from the beginning, but we are losing the idea, mainly due to the massive modern influence of the leftists. That's why I think the 50% reduction in government size is not only desirable, it is almost mandatory if we are to protect our own freedoms. Just this morning I read that our total government spending per household is upwards of $38,000. How can that possibly be good ? How can we possibly maintain the middle/working class with a burden like that ? How can we possibly let that continue, unless we want to succumb to socialism ? I think the benefits to the people definitely pass the level of diminishing returns when government gets that big.

    In other areas where I mentioned Ron Paul's stance on issues, such as education and health care, the status quo is not serving us. Change is required. I think most would agree. What we DON'T want to change into is where the Dems would take us, to ever more government. The Republicans are the only ones who have workable ideas in these areas.

  • Da King

    Rev,
    If Fox doesn't want Ron Paul to be heard, why did they invite him to the January 10th forum, after New Hampshire ? Why was he invited to previous forums ? Why was Ron Paul on the Chris Wallace show last sunday ?

  • Ghost of Vince Forrester

    King,

    One does not need to be a libertarian to be for smaller government. Conservativism covers that nicely. The problem lately is that the GOP has diverged from conservative principles.

    The main problem with libertarians is that in their striving to maximize liberty, they are so radically individualistic that they are counter-productive. That is, as the libertarians expand indivivual liberty, they strart the process of breaking down the family, community, nation, religion, and tradition. This, in turn, leads to societial breakdown & chaos which itself leads to calls from stronger government controls.

    No modern society can be built on libertarian principles. As you noted, the world is too complex.

    Libertarians are productive in the areas where their interests overlap with conservatism. However, the radical individualism of the libertarians is a loser.

    You say your were a member of the LP. If you went to any of their meetings, you may have have noticed that the libertarians tend to be so individualistic that they cannot even organize like-minded people like themselves into an effective political force. That being the case, how can they ever expect their principles to win approval in diverse society like ours?

  • larry4

    Happy Holidays, Rubby!

    Ru Paul for President? My, that is very broad minded of y'all.

    Okay seriously, he's interesting, but put half of what he's proposing in to effect and we'll have an economic melt down of Biblical proportions.

    Haven't we already seen what has happened to our dollar by a President who believes in returning our tax dollars to us? Someone oughta told W. that we can't keep borrowing to support that sort of thing. It kinda, sorta makes our dollar kinda worth less. (I know you agree on the don't-tax-but-spend analysis.)

    Unfortunately, if Mr. Paul wants to now cut more taxes and — unlike W. — government spending, a lot of folks are going to be very surprised that government programs they took for granted are going to disappear very quickly.

    And when those other nations like China and South Korea that hold our debt get a load of the U.S. government's revenue stream slowing to a trickle not even a prostate problem plagued old codger would envy, they are going to stop buying our debt. Even worse, they might actually call in some of the debt they hold.

    And when that happens, our economy collapses. The Great Depression will look like a hiccup.

    Yup, that sure would change things.

    (Okay, it wouldn't change the fact that the Canadian dollar is now worth more than the American dollar or that British pounds are worth more than twice the American dollar. It won't change that it's a little late to go to the Gold standard.)

    But what do I know? I could be wrong.

    Anyway, Happy Holidays. (I sent a holiday card to Bill O'Reilly this year, but got no response. Weird, huh?)

    Glad to see you're still plugging away!

  • da truth

    Ghost,

    You are right when you say that the modern republicans have diverged from conservative principles. But since that very point is true, it makes me wonder why you and others on this board (including da king at times) so fervently want this party to have full power? Even the Cato Institute recognizes that Libertarian principles and thinking are more in line with liberal philosophy than with the modern day Republican. Brink Lindsey wrote a brilliant article for the New Republic in 2006 about "liberaltarians." In it, he stated:

    Libertarian disaffection should come as no surprise. Despite the GOP's rhetorical commitment to limited government, the actual record of unified Republican rule in Washington has been an unmitigated disaster from a libertarian perspective: runaway federal spending at a clip unmatched since Lyndon Johnson; the creation of a massive new prescription-drug entitlement with hardly any thought as to how to pay for it; expansion of federal control over education through the No Child Left Behind Act; a big run-up in farm subsidies; extremist assertions of executive power under cover of fighting terrorism; and, to top it all off, an atrociously bungled war in Iraq.

    I certainly don't agree with everything libertarianism stands for; however, I do believe it will take that sort of radical thinking to prevent the government from consuming itself. At this point, I'd be more than willing to give it a try. Until a leader with radical principles attempts to shake things up, even if just in one area (Paul on healthcare, for example), the Ds and Rs will continue to grow and grow at our expense.

  • Ghost of Vince Forrester

    " …. why you [the Ghost] and others on this board (including da king at times) so fervently want this party [GOP] to have full power?"

    1. We live in the real world. True, the GOP has become a sad sack party, but it is still much better than the Dims who are quasi-socialists at heart. And sad to say, Mr. Truth, there are no real alternatives to the GOP and the Dims.

    2. Within the GOP coalition there are groups that can possibly reform the party and take control of it from the political hacks. There are no redeeming groups within the Dim coalition of labor unions, trial lawyers, race hustlers, homosexual activists, welfare dependents, militant secularists, Hollywood trash, American hating leftists and the like.

    +++

    "I certainly don't agree with everything libertarianism stands for.. "

    Good. And in a similar manner, I don't DISAGREE with everything the libertarians stand for.

    Libertarians have some very good ideas. However, as an overall governing philosophy, libertarianism is too stunted, too immature to work. For libertarians to have value, they must be blended into the broader conservative movement. But alas, libertarians are radical individuals; they don't blend — even with each other.

  • da truth

    Wow, ghost, your lastest post is neither insightful or responsive to anything I wrote. You wrote:

    Within the GOP coalition there are groups that can possibly reform the party and take control of it from the political hacks. There are no redeeming groups within the Dim coalition of labor unions, trial lawyers, race hustlers, homosexual activists, welfare dependents, militant secularists, Hollywood trash, American hating leftists and the like.

    Well, where are these so-called GOP coalitions that are going to return the grand old party to its glory? It's great that you have spent your time coming up with clever names to bash democrats with, now about pointing to some facts to back that up with? You admit in your post that the Republican party is dying then in the same breath say that this dying party is the only chance we have?

    Do you know anything about modern libertarianism and how it has attempte to bridge the gap with liberal thinking? Please. Everyone else in here on both sides points to facts to back up their assertions; it would be great if you could do the same.

  • larry d.

    Don't feel bad Ghost.

    I for one have never pointed to a fact to back up an assertion, and I never will.

  • Ghost of Vince Forrester

    Poor Truth. Bounching from one party to another must have scrambled his thought processes. He can't understand how since 1) there's no current alternative to the GOP and Dims and 2) that the GOP is less of an evil than the Dims, that this is amply justification for voting Republican.

    +++

    Do I know anything about "modern" libertarianism? Modern as opposed to what — ancient? If by modern you mean the type of pop libertarianism as written in Reason and Liberity magazines, the answer is, "Not as much as some, but, yes, still quite a bit."

    As to "ancient" libertarianism –Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbart, Milton Friedman — yes, that, too.

    As for the attempt of a marriage between libertarianism and liberalism, as proposed by that punk at The New Republic, that's a pipe dream that only someone who does NOT understand real libertarianism can propose.

  • Da King

    Vince,
    The Republicans are for smaller government only in theory. In actuality, government expands under Republicans. However, Republicans in general definitely ARE for smaller government when compared to Democrats, significantly so. I'm with you 100% on getting Republicans to return to their small government principles. That is the best hope our country has. The Democrats will never do it. They are philosophically opposed. They are virtually the enemy of liberty, in spite of all their rhetoric.

    Your comments about how the Libertarians can't even agree with each other leads me to believe you may have been to one or two of those LP meetings yourself. You certainly nailed that one. Libertarians don't always agree with each other, but they do have a coherent platform guided by principle. That's more than I can say about the two majors, and especially the Dems. The only discernible principle I have been able to get from them in the last several years is 'get Bush' no matter what. They even contradict themselves trying to do it. It's pretty sad. The LP calls themselves the 'party of principle'. I'd call the Dems the 'party of no principles'.

    Radical libertarianism is still radical, just like radical right or radical left (aka mainstream Democrat). I'm not a radical libertarian. That's why I call myself a libertarian/conservative. Society does need some controls in order to remain civil, and I agree with a statement I heard Christopher Hitchens make once, when he said libertarianism can only work in an ordered, civil society. Without that civil underpinning, it can't work. Without that, it's just anarchy.

  • Da King

    Larry4, old buddy, how you doin' ? Happy belated holidays to you too. Good to hear from you, even though it sounds like you still have an affinity for that L word. I'll convince you of the error of your ways one of these days. I'm all about hope, like that Obama fellow (he hopes he gets elected).

    It isn't returning tax dollars to taxpayers that causes the value of the dollar to fall. I agree on the don't-tax-but-still-spend thing, as long as I can point out that spending is the part that needs to be reigned in. Massive future tax increases will only bring about recession. Apparently, none of the leading Democrat presidential contenders knows this, as they propose all manner of new big government programs (spending) to 'help' us.

    As for me, I'd happily sacrifice a lot of those government programs in exchange for, say, not paying income tax. Most of those government programs could be replaced with less expensive private versions anyway.

    And what did you say about "the U.S. government's revenue stream…slowing to a trickle" ? Sounds like you think our goal should be to maximize government revenue, like one of those L word folks, or even worse, one of the S word or C word folks. I don't think that's what the founding fathers had in mind. I think they had a different L word in mind – Liberty.

    Btw, our economy is NOT dependent on government revenue, at all. Our economy is dependent on production and consumption. We don't need no stinking government for that (okay, we need a LITTLE government for that, in the regulatory and oversight areas).

    Implementation of Libertarian philosophy not only wouldn't bring about a new Depression, it would bring in the biggest financial boom in the history of the country. Without the income tax, american businesses would become way more competitive on the world stage, new business would flock to the US in droves, creating all manner of new jobs at higher salaries, goods would become cheaper, and our citizens would have far more money in their pockets. Yeah, wouldn't that be just awful. You can go ahead and give all your money to Nancy Pelosi though. Good luck with that.

  • Da King

    da truth,
    you wrote, " …. why you [the Ghost] and others on this board (including da king at times) so fervently want this party [GOP] to have full power?"

    Don't forget, Ron Paul is in the REPUBLICAN party. That's not a coincidence. Libertarianism is the polar opposite of modern liberalism on most issues. The Republicans are the best hope.

  • The Reverend

    "Without the income tax, american businesses would become way more competitive on the world stage, new business would flock to the US in droves, creating all manner of new jobs at higher salaries, goods would become cheaper, and our citizens would have far more money in their pockets."

    What you say here is what Junior's people have done. They have reduced income taxes fairly significantly and what has been the result? All manner of new jobs have not been created. At least not good jobs. Goods cost more not less and working families do NOT have more money in their pocket….they have less.

    The only answer to the working class and middle class family is corporate reform…..not token reform…..real reform.

    I'm still am not optimistic any reform wll happen.

  • Ghost of Vince Forrester

    " … libertarianism can only work in an ordered, civil society. Without that civil underpinning, it can't work. Without that, it's just anarchy."

    Exactly! And when libertarianism so works, it could rightly be called conservatism.

    +++

    "Implementation of Libertarian philosophy not only wouldn't bring about a new Depression, it would bring in the biggest financial boom in the history of the country."

    Oh, King, oh King, that may be theoretically so, but …. I fear you fail to consider just how many people have become dependent on government — for welfare checks, for pay checks, for transfer payments, for contracts.

    What do you expect these tens of millions (and their dependents) to do once the money is cut off — disappear? Get legitimate jobs? That's even more of an impossibility.

    This is why some political philosophers say that democracy carries the seeds of its own destruction within itself. Once a critical mass of people realize they can vote money for themselves, it's all over.

    This dependence on government doesn't happen to a society overnight. It takes generations, and just such a process has been play out before our very eyes since the New Deal was launched in 1932.

    +++

    As for excessive government spending, it WILL be addresses, but probably only by the U.S. government going bankrupt first. Why bankruptcy? Because we are fast approaching the point where the parasites outnumber the workers in the private sector ….. and they vote. (This is one of the reason why gold is over $860/oz.)

  • The Reverend

    "What do you expect these tens of millions (and their dependents) to do once the money is cut off — disappear? Get legitimate jobs? That's even more of an impossibility."

    Those welfare recipients really live it up, don't they? Those illegal immigrants are all lighting cigars with $100 bills, right?

    Libertarianism that ignores the Constitution is simply another anti-American flavor within the Republican/conservative movement or voting block.

    The words "promote the general welfare", means what it means. To me, it's not difficult to understand. But then neither is the original purpose of the second amendment, either. Militia and bearing arms tied together as a right.

    The general welfare of our country is broad and, rightfully, that's how our modern government operates today, broadly. Does spending need tightly controlled? Yes. But libertarian thought suggesting that the Constitutional mandate of "general welfare" is not what it says it is……is not credible thinking.

  • da truth

    King,

    You make some quality points on the libertarian as conservative thing, and yes, Paul is a Republican. But I still don't see this pocket of the GOP that Vince talks about that is supposedly returning that party to it's old ideas. And if you follow the trend of libertarianism today, you would have to admit there has been an attempt to reach out to liberals because of how the Republican party has abandoned its principles.

    In the end, the only way for true change, is by radical ideas, not by a party designation. Whomever ends up with the D and R in the current bunch isn't going to bring it, because as you said originally Kind, no one listens to the candidates that are for legitimate, real change.

  • Da King

    Reverend,
    Your analysis of my statements about corporate income tax is faulty to the point of being non-applicable. The Bush administration didn't drop the corporate income tax. Our businesses are taxed at some of the highest rates in the world, so there was no effect on the cost of goods sold to business by the Bush tax cuts. The personal income tax rate that Bush did cut was aimed at economic growth, to pull us out of a recession. That was accomplished.

    I agree we need reform, but I believe in reforms that will HELP business, not harm it, and thus will HELP the people, not harm them. John Edwards, for instance, represents the anti-answer. Going to war with the business sector is about the worst idea imaginable. It's economic suicide.

  • Da King

    Vince,
    I don't think removing all those people from the government teat can be accomplished overnight, but it can be accomplished. Just as the liberals falsely sounded the alarm over welfare reform in the 90's, they will falsely sound the alarm again each step of the way toward liberty, but I believe libertarian reforms would be so wildly successful when implemented that the libs would quickly be exposed for the wrongheaded windbags they are.

  • Da King

    Rev,
    Liberals love those words "promote the general welfare". They are the totalitarian's dream, vague, and morph-able into any old interpretation imaginable. It's just the loophole the control freaks were looking for.

    The first way libs 'promote the general welfare' is by taking half of a worker's wages away through taxation (federal 20%, state 5%, local 2%, SS/medicare 15.1%, miscellaneous 5-10%), which, to all thinking human animals, severely inhibits their general welfare. Gee thanks, Mr. Libby-do-gooder. I feel much better now that you've taken away half my money. I guess my wife will have to work now, so that we can make ends meet (and Mr. Big Government Lib can make even MORE money (see how that works ?). Plus, the gubmint gets to maximize worker production, comrade. Then later, the oh, so compassionate Mr. Lib will propose something like Big Government daycare for our kids, because my wife now has to work (because of Mr. Lib), and can't watch over our children. Big Government daycare will take away even more of our money, and get the kiddies indoctrinated into Mr. Lib's bs propaganda all that much earlier (see how that works ?). This is how Mr. Lib 'promotes the general welfare'. Too much more of Mr. Lib's general welfare promoting, and we'll all be destitute and braindead.

    Once Mr. Lib has taken away all of our money and independence, he can then give us some scraps back from his government table, and we're supposed to be happy because Mr. Lib is so very good and compassionate to us slaves down here on the government plantation. We sho' has a kind massuh.

    No thanks. I'm not fighting for my right to be anybody's serf. Screw that.

  • Da King

    da truth,
    If you listen to the Democrat vs. the Republican ideas being tossed about on the campaign trail, you will mostly hear the differences between the two parties. While the Republicans might not be perfect, you will at least hear the principles of limited government being espoused by them. You will hear the exact opposite being espoused by the Democrats. Either a Democrat or a Republican will be elected as our next president. There is no other realistic choice. My conscience will not allow me to abandon principle entirely and vote for a liberal Democrat (all three of the leading Dems fit that mold).

    I agree with you that real change takes radical ideas. Merely tweaking the current big government machine won't do it. The system is broken. It is designed to spend ever more of the taxpayer's dollar, and it is designed to strip away ever more of our rights as bigger and bigger government reigns. The system is broken for precisely the reason Ron Paul states. It is broken because we have abandoned the Constitution, especially regarding the intent of the Constitution.

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