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		<title>By: Da King</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2007/12/13/congressional-votes-on-religion/#comment-807</link>
		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely comical. I think a better word for them would be that one you use - "Dims" :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely comical. I think a better word for them would be that one you use - &#034;Dims&#034; <img src='http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Ghost of Vince Forrester</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2007/12/13/congressional-votes-on-religion/#comment-805</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost of Vince Forrester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King, 

You might get a lauguh out of this. The atheists are promoting the usage of the term "brights" to refer to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King, </p>
<p>You might get a lauguh out of this. The atheists are promoting the usage of the term &#034;brights&#034; to refer to themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2007/12/13/congressional-votes-on-religion/#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out some of that "all men are created equal" quote. The actual statement is:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..."

You can dismiss the Creator part if you wish, but you are dismissing the rationale behind "all men are created equal" along with it. 

And if Rational Thought 2.0 means that we are to entirely dismiss the idea that creation implies a Creator, opting instead for the pseudo-scientific conjecture that life sprang meaninglessly from some unknown, non-reproducable, and random mixture of mud and water (with maybe some lightning thrown in a la Frankenstein's monster for dramatic sci-fi effect), well, I think I wait for a later release, when your program is debugged. 

The thing atheists always forget when they are trumpeting their so-called superiority over the knuckle dragging religious folk is that the athesists have no idea whatsoever if they are right or wrong. That means there is zero basis for their claim. It's just pulled straight out of their ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left out some of that &#034;all men are created equal&#034; quote. The actual statement is:</p>
<p>&#034;We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights&#8230;&#034;</p>
<p>You can dismiss the Creator part if you wish, but you are dismissing the rationale behind &#034;all men are created equal&#034; along with it. </p>
<p>And if Rational Thought 2.0 means that we are to entirely dismiss the idea that creation implies a Creator, opting instead for the pseudo-scientific conjecture that life sprang meaninglessly from some unknown, non-reproducable, and random mixture of mud and water (with maybe some lightning thrown in a la Frankenstein&#039;s monster for dramatic sci-fi effect), well, I think I wait for a later release, when your program is debugged. </p>
<p>The thing atheists always forget when they are trumpeting their so-called superiority over the knuckle dragging religious folk is that the athesists have no idea whatsoever if they are right or wrong. That means there is zero basis for their claim. It&#039;s just pulled straight out of their ass.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2007/12/13/congressional-votes-on-religion/#comment-798</link>
		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Constitution is what it is. 

How could "all men be created equal" in 1789 while slavery was legal? That contradiction doesn't mean all men aren't equal. They are. Think about that in relation to the establishment clause. We ain't perfect but we're slowly headed in the right direction. Too bad Roberts and Alito will slow down America's progress a bit, but it's inevitable. 

Consider religion as outdated brain technology. We are in the midst of converting to Rational Thought 2.0.

The Constitution is the goal, the ideal. Eventually religion will no longer be "established" by the government as it is now with the Department of Faith Based Initiatives which has gone through a billion dollars of tax dollars. Private, religious schools should not be subsidized with tax dollars, at all. That's establishing religion. There are lots of other examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution is what it is. </p>
<p>How could &#034;all men be created equal&#034; in 1789 while slavery was legal? That contradiction doesn&#039;t mean all men aren&#039;t equal. They are. Think about that in relation to the establishment clause. We ain&#039;t perfect but we&#039;re slowly headed in the right direction. Too bad Roberts and Alito will slow down America&#039;s progress a bit, but it&#039;s inevitable. </p>
<p>Consider religion as outdated brain technology. We are in the midst of converting to Rational Thought 2.0.</p>
<p>The Constitution is the goal, the ideal. Eventually religion will no longer be &#034;established&#034; by the government as it is now with the Department of Faith Based Initiatives which has gone through a billion dollars of tax dollars. Private, religious schools should not be subsidized with tax dollars, at all. That&#039;s establishing religion. There are lots of other examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, Rev, but it's time for a reality check. You have taken the Establishment Clause too far. You said:

"The Constitution prohibits placing religious symbols on public property. It really couldn't be any clearer".

There is only one problem with your statement - the people who WROTE the Constitution would NOT agree with you. They would think it was perfectly fine to place the Ten Commandments in the courtroom, or to place 'In God We Trust' on a coin. You have changed the 'freedom of religion' concept to a 'freedom from religion' concept. You are advocating censorship. A symbol is not a law. A symbol doesn't prevent anyone from practicing their religion of choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, Rev, but it&#039;s time for a reality check. You have taken the Establishment Clause too far. You said:</p>
<p>&#034;The Constitution prohibits placing religious symbols on public property. It really couldn&#039;t be any clearer&#034;.</p>
<p>There is only one problem with your statement - the people who WROTE the Constitution would NOT agree with you. They would think it was perfectly fine to place the Ten Commandments in the courtroom, or to place &#039;In God We Trust&#039; on a coin. You have changed the &#039;freedom of religion&#039; concept to a &#039;freedom from religion&#039; concept. You are advocating censorship. A symbol is not a law. A symbol doesn&#039;t prevent anyone from practicing their religion of choice.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2007/12/13/congressional-votes-on-religion/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Not Ready For Prime Time Holiness Ghost said:

"Yes it most certaintly does. This is because Christmas, and Christianity in general, has been under unrelenting assault from militant secularists &#38; atheist who have, with their glib tongues, distorted American history and the clear meaning America’s founding documents to try and exclude religion from the public square."

What exactly is the "public square"? Isn't that "square" owned by the taxpayers? All the taxpayers? Isn't that why it's called "public"?

So if the public square is owned by the taxpayers, then the document that ultimately governs the public square would be the Constitution. The Bill of Rights to that Constitution states that the government cannot make a law or rule that establishes religion. 

It doen't say "establish a religion" or establish one religion". It says "establish religion". A rule or law that establishes religion is clearly prohibited. 

Therefore, any government action that establishes Christianity, like placing Christian symbols on public property, is a violation of the Constitution. 

No one prohibits churches from placing whatever they desire on their own private property. So Christians are not being militantly victimized here. The Constitution prohibits placing religious symbols on public property.

It really couldn't be any clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Not Ready For Prime Time Holiness Ghost said:</p>
<p>&#034;Yes it most certaintly does. This is because Christmas, and Christianity in general, has been under unrelenting assault from militant secularists &amp; atheist who have, with their glib tongues, distorted American history and the clear meaning America’s founding documents to try and exclude religion from the public square.&#034;</p>
<p>What exactly is the &#034;public square&#034;? Isn&#039;t that &#034;square&#034; owned by the taxpayers? All the taxpayers? Isn&#039;t that why it&#039;s called &#034;public&#034;?</p>
<p>So if the public square is owned by the taxpayers, then the document that ultimately governs the public square would be the Constitution. The Bill of Rights to that Constitution states that the government cannot make a law or rule that establishes religion. </p>
<p>It doen&#039;t say &#034;establish a religion&#034; or establish one religion&#034;. It says &#034;establish religion&#034;. A rule or law that establishes religion is clearly prohibited. </p>
<p>Therefore, any government action that establishes Christianity, like placing Christian symbols on public property, is a violation of the Constitution. </p>
<p>No one prohibits churches from placing whatever they desire on their own private property. So Christians are not being militantly victimized here. The Constitution prohibits placing religious symbols on public property.</p>
<p>It really couldn&#039;t be any clearer.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince, I agree that the Establishment clause has been perverted by the left and has been used in an attempt to remove all mention of religion from the public square, which is nothing more than censorship. It has been done un-democratically, primarily through the most despotic branch of government, the courts. That was never the intent of the founding fathers. The Establishment clause was intended to provide freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. 

However, that is also the reason Congress should leave their hands off of the subject. They shouldn't be forming resolutions picking out this religion or that religion for praise. If they formally praise Christianity or Islam, then what about Judaism, Buddhism, Hindu, etc ? I think we can handle Christmas just fine without Congress, and when the secularists try to remove Christ from Christmas, the people will object (and have).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince, I agree that the Establishment clause has been perverted by the left and has been used in an attempt to remove all mention of religion from the public square, which is nothing more than censorship. It has been done un-democratically, primarily through the most despotic branch of government, the courts. That was never the intent of the founding fathers. The Establishment clause was intended to provide freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. </p>
<p>However, that is also the reason Congress should leave their hands off of the subject. They shouldn&#039;t be forming resolutions picking out this religion or that religion for praise. If they formally praise Christianity or Islam, then what about Judaism, Buddhism, Hindu, etc ? I think we can handle Christmas just fine without Congress, and when the secularists try to remove Christ from Christmas, the people will object (and have).</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
The word "respecting" in the first amendment means "with respect to" or "regarding".  It means that the framers of the constitution knew that the U.S. Congress would do the wrong thing if they even touched the subject of religion, so they are prevented, in effect, from voicing an opinion on the subject.
So, what are they doing with this vote, if not violating the first amendment?  As soon as they violate that amendment with something kind to say about religion, they set a president that throws out the no-touch policy and paves the way for restrictions on our freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof&#034;<br />
The word &#034;respecting&#034; in the first amendment means &#034;with respect to&#034; or &#034;regarding&#034;.  It means that the framers of the constitution knew that the U.S. Congress would do the wrong thing if they even touched the subject of religion, so they are prevented, in effect, from voicing an opinion on the subject.<br />
So, what are they doing with this vote, if not violating the first amendment?  As soon as they violate that amendment with something kind to say about religion, they set a president that throws out the no-touch policy and paves the way for restrictions on our freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy,
  I do care about other than my representative.  However, I meant that I would like to know which congresspeople had enough integrity to not participate in this pandering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy,<br />
  I do care about other than my representative.  However, I meant that I would like to know which congresspeople had enough integrity to not participate in this pandering.</p>
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		<title>By: roysoldboy</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2007/12/13/congressional-votes-on-religion/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>roysoldboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frank, why do you care which of them voted present or not at all.  If one of them isn't your representative it shouldn't mean anything to you unless you manage to vote in multiple districts.  You aren't that unethical are you?

King, you are right on about this one.  If religion is to be left alone by the legislative bodies what is all this about.  I see political posturing for nothing, only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frank, why do you care which of them voted present or not at all.  If one of them isn&#039;t your representative it shouldn&#039;t mean anything to you unless you manage to vote in multiple districts.  You aren&#039;t that unethical are you?</p>
<p>King, you are right on about this one.  If religion is to be left alone by the legislative bodies what is all this about.  I see political posturing for nothing, only.</p>
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