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		<title>By: Da King</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2007/10/29/the-plame-game-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the part of Rev&#039;s post where he talked about the Bush holding the media under his thumb. I guess that explains why the MSM has been so doggone friendly to Bush all these years, LOL. 

Pure fiction from the Reverend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the part of Rev&#039;s post where he talked about the Bush holding the media under his thumb. I guess that explains why the MSM has been so doggone friendly to Bush all these years, LOL. </p>
<p>Pure fiction from the Reverend.</p>
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		<title>By: roysoldboy</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2007/10/29/the-plame-game-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>roysoldboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, King, proof is never needed when libs are calling anyone else a liar.  In fact, it seems to me that the &quot;libber&quot; one is the less proof he thinks he needs.  In that case if far left is extreme liberal Rev Red is surely as lib as you can get.  Just saying the word liar to another satisfies him that he has proved his statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, King, proof is never needed when libs are calling anyone else a liar.  In fact, it seems to me that the &#034;libber&#034; one is the less proof he thinks he needs.  In that case if far left is extreme liberal Rev Red is surely as lib as you can get.  Just saying the word liar to another satisfies him that he has proved his statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2007/10/29/the-plame-game-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, Rev, but I didn&#039;t see anywhere where you disproved one single thing I said. I kinda thought proof was required when you call someone a liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, Rev, but I didn&#039;t see anywhere where you disproved one single thing I said. I kinda thought proof was required when you call someone a liar.</p>
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		<title>By: sunklhammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunklhammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 05:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lou, your dems are more like Barney Franks than any GOPer is like a Gannon. Besides, I thought you sexual perverts were all in favor of EVERYONE coming out? Does that mean we will soon be seeing a press release about fat teddy and dirty harry&#039;s secret affair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lou, your dems are more like Barney Franks than any GOPer is like a Gannon. Besides, I thought you sexual perverts were all in favor of EVERYONE coming out? Does that mean we will soon be seeing a press release about fat teddy and dirty harry&#039;s secret affair?</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2007/10/29/the-plame-game-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s unfortunate that King&#039;s post didn&#039;t contain much, if any, truth about the Plame case.

Any intelligent human can read the trial transcripts of Scooter Libby&#039;s multiple felony conviction case and see and understand for themselves. Perjury and obstruction convictions have nothing to do with forgetfulness.

It&#039;s clear from the transcripts that Dick Cheney&#039;s office was Ground Zero for the Plame outing caper. Rove, Fleischer, Libby, Armitage did the outing. All but Armitage did the outing as part of a White House conspiracy to silence any intelligence people who might be thinking about doing what Joe Wilson did, that is, speak truth to liars in power.

The Plame case is, or should be, a case study in the dual narratives approach Karl Rove brought with him to the White House. Media members, who can&#039;t speak truth to power any longer for fear of losing their access to power, spun the dual narratives about Plame. Still today 1/3 of Americans believe a lie about what really happened.

King&#039;s post here is proof positive he has fully accepted a false account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s unfortunate that King&#039;s post didn&#039;t contain much, if any, truth about the Plame case.</p>
<p>Any intelligent human can read the trial transcripts of Scooter Libby&#039;s multiple felony conviction case and see and understand for themselves. Perjury and obstruction convictions have nothing to do with forgetfulness.</p>
<p>It&#039;s clear from the transcripts that Dick Cheney&#039;s office was Ground Zero for the Plame outing caper. Rove, Fleischer, Libby, Armitage did the outing. All but Armitage did the outing as part of a White House conspiracy to silence any intelligence people who might be thinking about doing what Joe Wilson did, that is, speak truth to liars in power.</p>
<p>The Plame case is, or should be, a case study in the dual narratives approach Karl Rove brought with him to the White House. Media members, who can&#039;t speak truth to power any longer for fear of losing their access to power, spun the dual narratives about Plame. Still today 1/3 of Americans believe a lie about what really happened.</p>
<p>King&#039;s post here is proof positive he has fully accepted a false account.</p>
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		<title>By: roysoldboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roysoldboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King, we know that politics and money are the main reasons for the whole deal.  The Wilsons came out with their money for the Vanity Fair article, their book and impending movie and the enemies of Bush come out with a convicted and unjailed Libby so in no way do the Wilsons suffer at all and Bush is seen much worse than he would have been without the investigation.  I think they got about all they could have expected, going in.

I guess Fitzpatrick came out with some green in his pockets and is now known, by many of us, as a failure since he didn&#039;t get very close to Bush even though the opposition wants us to believe that he was just next to him.  The great lawyer, the self-professed diplomat, and the undercover spy are all famous now with some green to spend in their reclining years.  

I will never understand how anybody as supposedly deep in undercover work drove to work at Langley every day, wore a badge around the place and worked all day in the open could be seen as so classified as she was.  Maybe the CIA isn&#039;t as secret as they want to think they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King, we know that politics and money are the main reasons for the whole deal.  The Wilsons came out with their money for the Vanity Fair article, their book and impending movie and the enemies of Bush come out with a convicted and unjailed Libby so in no way do the Wilsons suffer at all and Bush is seen much worse than he would have been without the investigation.  I think they got about all they could have expected, going in.</p>
<p>I guess Fitzpatrick came out with some green in his pockets and is now known, by many of us, as a failure since he didn&#039;t get very close to Bush even though the opposition wants us to believe that he was just next to him.  The great lawyer, the self-professed diplomat, and the undercover spy are all famous now with some green to spend in their reclining years.  </p>
<p>I will never understand how anybody as supposedly deep in undercover work drove to work at Langley every day, wore a badge around the place and worked all day in the open could be seen as so classified as she was.  Maybe the CIA isn&#039;t as secret as they want to think they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy, I&#039;m right there with you on the conspiracy angle. Plame/Wilson basically admitted on Chris Matthews program that they were out to get Bush. Listen to these quotes by her from that program:

WILSON:  I will tell you, when I heard the now infamous 16 words in the State of the Union address, I thought it was odd.  But don‘t forget, there are two other countries in Africa that also mine yellowcake ore.

WILSON:  So you know, it just seemed strange.  And Joe spent the next couple months discreetly working back channels to try to understand how such a whopper got into the State of the Union address, when on at least on four occasions the CIA had taken that claim, the nuclear threat, out of major speeches done by the president.

Plame/Wilson is telling us they were out to get the Bush administration. Never mind that what she calls a &#039;whopper&#039; was believed to be true by the source, the British government, and it still is believed to be true.  What she is also leaving out is; we know from George Tenet&#039;s book that it was Tenet himself who said he should have vetted that Bush speech and removed anything the CIA couldn&#039;t corroborate, which included those 16 words, but HE DIDN&#039;T DO IT. They had removed those words from previous speeches, as Plame said, but just didn&#039;t examine that particular speech, as standard procedure calls for them to do. So when Plame wonders how the 16 words got into the speech, why doesn&#039;t she mention it was because of a CIA failure ? Why does she call the 16 words a &#039;whopper&#039; ? I think we both know the reason for that - Politics. She&#039;s no innocent here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy, I&#039;m right there with you on the conspiracy angle. Plame/Wilson basically admitted on Chris Matthews program that they were out to get Bush. Listen to these quotes by her from that program:</p>
<p>WILSON:  I will tell you, when I heard the now infamous 16 words in the State of the Union address, I thought it was odd.  But don‘t forget, there are two other countries in Africa that also mine yellowcake ore.</p>
<p>WILSON:  So you know, it just seemed strange.  And Joe spent the next couple months discreetly working back channels to try to understand how such a whopper got into the State of the Union address, when on at least on four occasions the CIA had taken that claim, the nuclear threat, out of major speeches done by the president.</p>
<p>Plame/Wilson is telling us they were out to get the Bush administration. Never mind that what she calls a &#039;whopper&#039; was believed to be true by the source, the British government, and it still is believed to be true.  What she is also leaving out is; we know from George Tenet&#039;s book that it was Tenet himself who said he should have vetted that Bush speech and removed anything the CIA couldn&#039;t corroborate, which included those 16 words, but HE DIDN&#039;T DO IT. They had removed those words from previous speeches, as Plame said, but just didn&#039;t examine that particular speech, as standard procedure calls for them to do. So when Plame wonders how the 16 words got into the speech, why doesn&#039;t she mention it was because of a CIA failure ? Why does she call the 16 words a &#039;whopper&#039; ? I think we both know the reason for that &#8211; Politics. She&#039;s no innocent here.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lou Grant, you&#039;re missing the point. There WAS an investigation, and NOBODY was charged with outing Plame. Those are the facts. I don&#039;t object to the investigation itself(although I&#039;d like to know why it took so long when Fitzgerald knew all along it was Armitage). If you remember, at one point Fitzgerald said Plame&#039;s covert status didn&#039;t even matter to the investigation, which I thought was about the strangest thing I ever heard. At that point, it just looked like Fitzgerald wanted to charge somebody with something after all his efforts, and he found his whipping boy in Libby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lou Grant, you&#039;re missing the point. There WAS an investigation, and NOBODY was charged with outing Plame. Those are the facts. I don&#039;t object to the investigation itself(although I&#039;d like to know why it took so long when Fitzgerald knew all along it was Armitage). If you remember, at one point Fitzgerald said Plame&#039;s covert status didn&#039;t even matter to the investigation, which I thought was about the strangest thing I ever heard. At that point, it just looked like Fitzgerald wanted to charge somebody with something after all his efforts, and he found his whipping boy in Libby.</p>
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		<title>By: roysoldboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roysoldboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry you have broken Lou&#039;s heart it seems.  Yes the lady is very easy to look at and should be changing parties but I doubt many of our people would accept her and her lying husband since they have been lying all along.

I thought king was very cute in his ending but he was also very right about how the MSM deals with news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry you have broken Lou&#039;s heart it seems.  Yes the lady is very easy to look at and should be changing parties but I doubt many of our people would accept her and her lying husband since they have been lying all along.</p>
<p>I thought king was very cute in his ending but he was also very right about how the MSM deals with news.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought republican males were more into Jeff Gannon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought republican males were more into Jeff Gannon.</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real tragedy in all this lies in the fact that Plame is kind of foxy. The democrats have always boasted ladies in the vein of Albright and Reno while a short viewing of Fox News shows that Republican ladies are babes.

Come back to your people, Valerie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real tragedy in all this lies in the fact that Plame is kind of foxy. The democrats have always boasted ladies in the vein of Albright and Reno while a short viewing of Fox News shows that Republican ladies are babes.</p>
<p>Come back to your people, Valerie.</p>
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		<title>By: roysoldboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roysoldboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By Gollly, King, I think that Lou Grant has outed you with his dates concerning the CIA asking for an investigation.  I wonder what was going on in the two months from the committing of the crime and his September 16, 2003 date.  I guess they needed some special time to come up with an accusation and to build a case before asking for an investigation.  Do you think that any of this could be involved in the Wilson Lie?  It is pretty easy to draw a line from Plame being a &quot;classified&quot; agent and her buddies who had demonstrated some enmity toward Bush about the same time.  Maybe I better stop because it probably appears that I am trying to suggest a conspiracy.  Well now, I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Gollly, King, I think that Lou Grant has outed you with his dates concerning the CIA asking for an investigation.  I wonder what was going on in the two months from the committing of the crime and his September 16, 2003 date.  I guess they needed some special time to come up with an accusation and to build a case before asking for an investigation.  Do you think that any of this could be involved in the Wilson Lie?  It is pretty easy to draw a line from Plame being a &#034;classified&#034; agent and her buddies who had demonstrated some enmity toward Bush about the same time.  Maybe I better stop because it probably appears that I am trying to suggest a conspiracy.  Well now, I am.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was no crime why did Tenet ask the justice department to investigate her outing?

On September 16, 2003 the CIA sent a letter to the US Department of Justice, asserting that Plame&#039;s status as a CIA undercover operative was classified information and requested a federal investigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was no crime why did Tenet ask the justice department to investigate her outing?</p>
<p>On September 16, 2003 the CIA sent a letter to the US Department of Justice, asserting that Plame&#039;s status as a CIA undercover operative was classified information and requested a federal investigation.</p>
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