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See No Evil

by Da King on October 18, 2007

in Democrats,terrorism,Uncategorized

see no evil

Those wild and crazy liberals keep telling us there is no terrorist threat, or if there is, it's a minor thing, kind of like catching a cold. They say Bush, Cheney, and company, those neocon devils from the evil empire, are just trying to scare us into giving away all our rights, so the Bushies can then force us all to go work on the Deathstar or something (to add to the horror, the Deathstar will be a non-union shop !). John Edwards famously illustrated how completely unfit he is to assume the role of commander in chief by once referring to the war on terrorism as 'a bumper sticker'. As I mentioned yesterday, Paul Krugman, propagandist columnist for the NY Times, pointed out on the Bill Maher show that Iran was not a threat. That should make Vladimir Putin breathe easier, since Iranians are trying to assassinate him. There are hundreds more examples of liberals downplaying the terrorist threat.

What I'm wondering is, how many terrorist attacks will it take before liberals are convinced the terrorist threat IS real ? (This is an update of the old joke 'How many ________ does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?'). We must be up to about 5,000 worldwide terrorist attacks by now, and that hasn't done it. 9/11 didn't do it. Liberals are still more worried about Bush wiretapping Al Qaeda or offending Muslims than they are about busting potential terrorists. Following are links to stories about terrorist plots that have appeared in the news only since September 2007: We have terrorist organizations operating out of New Jersey now, terrorists plotting to blow up British soccer games on live TV, the CIA is warning of Al Qaeda attacks in Paris and other european targets, a trial is taking place for the men who plotted to bomb Chicago's Sears Tower, a man was arrested for attempting to bomb the US embassy in Vienna, there may be terrorist training camps in america, muslim extremists are planning a takeover of the USA, a terrorist group was plotting to rob NY ATM machines, the NY Times blew an investigation into an jihadist blogger, the Goose Creek terror case is coming to trial…

Like I said, this is just since September 2007. You can read about the slew of successful terrorist attacks through the years here.

So, in spite of the thousands of examples of worldwide terrorism, in spite of 9/11, in spite of the numerous attacks that have been prevented since 9/11, in spite of the Islamofascist element openly saying they want to destroy us, liberals put their pointy little heads together and decided………..

WHAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS DOING ISN'T ABOUT FIGHTING TERRORISM.

Uh, whatever you say, liberals. Just don't go near any sharp objects, and please, don't stick that fork into the light socket ! If I didn't know better, I'd think someone was putting LSD into the liberal's drinking water, but Timothy Leary is dead, so that's probably not it. Maybe liberals think Bush is wiretapping terrorists, tracking terrorist finances, and imprisoning terrorists as some new real life Skull and Bones version of Dungeons and Dragons, I really don't know. I don't pretend to understand them. Liberals talk about Bush proceeding without any checks and balances even as Congress is deciding whether to reapprove the Bush wiretapping program or not, and as the Courts are ruling on it, both obvious examples of, drumroll please, checks and balances. Liberals not only can't see the forest for the trees, they can't even see the trees.

Liberals claim they are for upholding civil rights, and that's why they are against Bush's tactics, but these are the same people who want to impose The Fairness Doctrine to silence talk radio, who shout down conservative speakers on campus, who promote things like the misnamed Employee Free Choice Act that will remove the secret ballot in union voting, who want to steal all your money through taxation, who are for big government socialism, who want to stamp out any mention of God in public, who hate capitalism, who hate business, who don't believe voters should show ID (makes vote fraud easier),……….so don't tell me they love civil rights so much. They are totalitarian marxists. They aren't even close to being about civil rights. They aren't even close to being about freedom. What they are about is acquiring power and eliminating the opposition. Trust me, if the liberals ever do take complete power, you'll never hear them utter the phrase 'checks and balances' again, ever.

I know how much liberals hate it when someone mentions that the liberals are helping the terrorists by fighting Bush every step of the way on terrorism……but that's all the more reason to point it out.

  • http://ohiomm.com/blogs/blog_mass_destruction/ The Reverend

    "What they are about is acquiring power and eliminating the opposition."

    That's a bad case of projection ya' got there King. Maybe you should be making an appointment to see a professional.

    "I know how much liberals hate it when someone mentions that the liberals are helping the terrorists by fighting Bush every step of the way on terrorism……but that's all the more reason to point it out."

    Huh? Bush has a bumper sticker slogan he calls the "war on terror". That's it. A slogan. Empirical data demonstrates that during Bush's reign, Islamic extremist has grown and intensified.

    So whatever the hell George has been doing….it's got nothing to do with fighting Islamic extremism….unless he's on their side.

    And when liberals say that Islamic extremism is not the threat, say, the Soviets were….what they mean is that several thousand radicals, without state backing, and without military means could NEVER be a threat to American sovereignty. EVER.

    George and Co. used and abused 9-11 to attempt to set up a permanent Republican majority with king-like presidential powers. Needless to say….it hasn't worked out very well.

  • larry d.

    How many thousand radical terrorists are there, empirically? How many thousand were there before Bush became President? How do we know they don't have state backing? How come there hasn't been a successful major attack on U.S. soil since 2001?

  • Da King

    Rev, you want me to see a professional ? How is a prostitute going to help me ? Well…………never mind.

    But thanks for being my poster boy by calling the war on terrorism a bumper sticker. You also showcased the typical liberal paradoxical position on terrorism, which is: The terrorists are no threat, but Bush is making the (no) threat worse.

    And did you really say that since the terrorists don't have the capability to literally overthrow the US, that they aren't a threat ? What do you think a few well-placed nukes would do to america ? You should get your head out of the sand.

  • frank

    Mr. King:
    Sorry to interupt you and Roy, but I have to point out that the Rev never said that terrorists are not a threat. The question seems to be: Is the threat posed by terrorism sufficient to justify trashing our Constitution? I say no. There are many things Bush could and isn't doing to thwart terrorism which would be legal. He has simply used 9/11 to further an agenda. As a conservative, I would expect your love and respect for the Constitution to out weigh your fear.

  • Da King

    Frank,
    I don't see Roy on this thread, do you ?

    Also, my friend the Reverend has told me many times that the terrorist threat doesn't exist.

    By 'trashing our Constitution', I assume you mean wiretapping Al Qaeda suspects, for one. Didn't our Democratic Congress authorize that once, and aren't they about to reauthorize it again ? Or maybe you mean the government's request for telephone records, which the Senate Intelligence Committee just voted 13-2 to keep overseeing and to protect the telecom companies from legal action. Democrats run that committee too. Or maybe you favor granting the full rights of citizenship to enemy combatant prisoners of war by granting them habeas corpus rights while the war is still ongoing, which would be a very strange thing to do.
    In spite of the partisan rhetoric, even the Democrats (except for a few nuts) see the need for most of the actions the Bush administration has taken against terrorism. There IS congressional oversight, so I think americans are fairly safe. The specter of the unitary executive is greatly exaggerated. I would suggest that you should be the one to get over your fear (of the Bush administration), or at least put it in perspective and realize the need to fight the REAL enemies of the country.

  • roysoldboy

    Now King, I am glad that I stayed away from this one so Frank could come stomping acting and souning so much like Rev Red and even include me in his rant.

    I have to agree with you once more about all of it especially the authoritian, unitary executive. I wonder when the people of the other side will get away from that kind of talk. I imagine it will be the day they win a presidential election, if that happens again. I think it may be time to ask Rev Red if he is calling the kind of things that one can find on may liberal blogs that are financed by money run through Media Matters and the CAP. They have that group called CIM that seems to run a lot of money from the other two groups and surely much of that money comes originally from boss Soros and the Clinton machine. We will soon see some of this hitting the MSM whether itis sooner or later. I imagine they will hold back on this report as long as they can but will have to soon do something about reporting it as true or false.

  • Da King

    Roy, I thought maybe Frank was hallucinating when he mentioned you on this thread when you hadn't posted on it yet.
    All the talk about the unitary executive baffles me as well. Congress voted for the Iraq war, yet the libs act like Bush just went ahead all on his own. Then they complain about the Bush CIA rendition program, but that was started under Bill Clinton in 1995. Clinton was also monitoring telecommunication traffic long before Dubya came on the scene. There is congressional oversight of the NSA program. If I didn't know better, I'd think the libs were just blowing smoke for political gain, lol.
    I'm glad it's finally out in the open that Media Matters is a wing of the Clintonista machine. I also think that story is going to grow and grow as everyone starts following the money. It seems many lefty bloggers are being paid to write propaganda for the Dems. Knock me over with a feather. That sure explains the mountain of lies coming from that direction. You know the old saying, if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsh*t.

  • frank

    Mr. King:
    As far as predicting Roy's post-as Bob Dylan said, "You don't need weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Roy can be relied on to echo your comments.
    I don't object to actions taken by one party or the other. I object to unconstitutional and counterproductive actions by either party. I would certainly like to change a lot of things that the Clinton administration did but his regime is over (at least temporarily). IMHO, the Democratic Leadership Council and the Clintons have made the Democratic Party a feckless alternative. For proof, just look at the corporate donations that Hillary gets.

  • Da King

    Frank,
    You have me a little in the dark, because you haven't said exactly which actions by Bush you find objectionable from a constitutional standpoint. If it's the wiretapping issue, I'm inclined to give the president some executive leeway to defend the country against an imminent threat (with oversight, of course). I love the Constitution, but as has been said, it isn't a suicide pact. If I was the president post 9/11, I could see myself making the same calls as Bush did in certain circumstances, and then just taking the heat for it if I crossed the line. I'd feel a lot worse if I didn't listen to terrorist communications and an attack ended up succeeding because of it. I don't know how a president can be negligent like that when american lives are at stake.

    But I'm a Bob Dylan fan, so you get points for quoting Subterranean Homesick Blues.

  • roysoldboy

    Now ain't that funny? Frank knows that I will agree with you every time. He must be at least as smart as Rev Red is in that area since we do seem to agree about most things.

    I can't wait for more people to start following all that money and finding the Clinton machine along with Soros at the supplying end. Surely people will manage to see that Hillary is a part of that machine and has always been really in charge of it.

    I wonder if Frank is as sure of where Hillary will take us if she somehow manages to buy the High Chair next time around. I love it when someone talks about Europe being a Pelosi US when we all know that Pelosi and Hillary want the same thing for us. It is, of course, a society that is as socialist as they can get us worked into. Surely Frank will have an answer for that one.

  • frank

    Mr. King:
    I object to his violations of the FISA Act of 1978. The FISA court nearly gives its approval and its provision for retroactive approval certainly gives enough leeway. The only reason for not using it is because it leaces a paper trail.
    I object to his use of torture and his dismissal of the Geneva Convention's definition of it.
    I object to his illegal war on Iraq.
    I object to his illegal seizures of property.
    I object to his holding prisoners without legal representation.
    I object to his denying prisoners the right to a speedy trial.
    I object to his policy of kidnapping.
    There are many other things that I object to, legal and illegal, but you get the point.
    I say again, that if Bush were serious about protecting people from terrorists, there are a large number of things he could do that require no extra-Constitutional action. I will also say again that while I take the threat of terrorism seriously, I believe that the president has all the tools necessary to combat it.
    Mr. Roy:
    Perhaps I was unclear. I do not approve of either Bill or Hillary Clinton's policies. But if you associate either with socialism, you are a moron.

  • Da King

    Roy,
    Frank was critical of the Clinton's, so I have to give him some credit there. Of course, then he claimed Hillary wasn't a socialist, which is untrue. She is. Just because she has corporate connections doesn't disprove any of that. Hillary knows she has to play the game to get into power just like anyone else. The woman is smart.

  • Da King

    Frank,
    The Iraq war may be illegal by UN standards, but the UN doesn't govern us, and if they ever do, then we can throw that Constitution right out the window, because it really will just be a piece of paper. The war was authorized by congress, so I'd say it passes constitutional muster. If you are going to make the technical constitutional argument that congress didn't formally declare war on Iraq, I don't buy into that argument. The AUMF meets the principle.
    What illegal seizure of property has Bush engaged in ? I don't know of anything new in that regard. If you are talking about the government seizing property used in the commission of a crime, that started back in the 80's with the RICO laws. I never did agree with those laws due to the potential for government abuse and the lack of due process, but Bush sure didn't start them (at least not THIS Bush).
    Foreign prisoners of war have never been given access to civil courts while the war was still going on. Just because these enemy soldiers don't wear uniforms doesn't make them any less enemy soldiers.
    What you call kidnapping, I call taking prisoners of war.
    I'm also against torture, at least officially, but if you have Khalid Shaikh Mohammed in your grasp, you have to get the information from him, and we did. This isn't some game we're playing here.

  • frank

    Mr. King:
    As a charter member of the UN, we signed a treaty. This treaty automatically became the law of the land as any other treaty does. Bush has thrown the Constitution out the window, not the UN.
    Ask the Katrina survivors about their guns-all confiscated. Ask Jose Padilla about his property (oops, I forgot, he has a few mental problems stemming from his interrogation).
    There is a Canadian citizen named Mahar who was "intercepted" trying to board a connecting flight to Canada and "rendered" and tortured. There is a German citizen who was recently denied his right to sue over the same thing. Ask them if they were prisoners of war.
    That torture thing sure worked out with Kalid Shaikh Mohammed, didn't it. He confessed to everything butthe kidnapping of the Lindberg baby and probably would have if asked.
    No this isn't some game we are playing. FDR's "We have nothing to fear but fear itself" has never been so prescient. What's at stake is the Constitution itself.

  • roysoldboy

    Frank, I would enjoy having you explain to me just what it is about Hillary's past that would indicate she is not a socialist. I know so many things that do indicate a socialist so maybe you better prove that I am a moron with some proof that she is not one of those things.

    Don't go too far back in her history to prove anything since if you get to her college years you will be in a lot of trouble. In fact, at that point she was working more with communists than with moderate socialists.

    I am waiting with bated breath for your proof of my moronism.

  • Da King

    Frank,
    Why do you insist on ignoring the fact that congress authorized the Iraq war ?

    Jose Padilla had a trial and was convicted, but I'm sure terrorists everywhere appreciate your support of Mr. Padilla.

    I'll try to find some info about Mahar and the German, but I'm unaware of them.

    Interesting that you should mention FDR, who put Japanese american citizens in detention camps during WWII. Yet, FDR considered one of our greatest presidents, even though he violated the Constitution far worse than Bush ever did, according to your standards.

    You also left out the fact that we got very good intelligence from Mr. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. Looks like when he was confessing to the Lindbergh kidnapping, he also told us a lot about terrorist plans, not that preventing the slaughter of thousand of americans justifies causing Khalid a few moments of discomfort or anything. We must be civilized as we watch those planes crash into our buildings.

  • frank

    Mr. Roy:
    Usually the person making the claim shows the proof. However, Ms. Clinton came from a wealthy background, went to a school that most cannot afford, then became a Goldwater girl during his campaign. I believe that she went on to be an aide to the Republican side in the Watergate hearings. As I see it there are very few liberals and very few conservatives. The rest in the middle are just interested in wielding power. Her health plans have been crafted so that the insurance companies will make even more profits than they do now. Her donor base is heavily corporate. I can think of nothing that she has done to make corporate America the least bit nervous. It will be business as usual for them under Hillary. She and her husband are avid about "free trade" and the WTO. Her husband helped kick many people off the welfare rolls. All in all, I would put her to the right of Nixon. Perhaps you would enlighten me with some examples of her socialist tendencies.

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