ESPN’s Marc Stein tells us that the NBA has decided that it will start fining players for flopping next season. There are a lot of people who I know that hate, hate, hate flopping. One of them is the Plain Dealer’s Branson Wright, who fancies himself a bit of a purest. We’ve sat next to each other for hundreds of games over the years and each time he sees one he’ll let out a prolonged moan. I am not in this camp, I think it is part of the game just like other gamesmanship plays are. But the league is obviously trying to reign some things in.
In the 2006-07 season there was a play when Anderson Varejao — king of the timed response to defensive contact, oh, OK, the flop — hit the deck on a jump ball. And he was doing the jumping! And he got the call! I felt this was one of the greatest moments of the season, a signature move by a maestro. Branson literally got up from the table and walked away.
Actually, Andy’s great play from that season was taking a charge from Rasheed Wallace in the fourth quarter of Game 6 of the Eastern Conference Finals. Sheed had just been called for a bad loose ball foul at the other end and was steaming. He pushed and shoved Varejao up the court, he must’ve hit him five times before he got the ball. Then setting up in the post he hit him twice more. Andy took them all. Then, at just the correct moment when Sheed was making his move, Andy went to the deck. Sheed was hit with the charge and then he freaked out, tackled LeBron and was ejected. To me, that was sheer mastery. And, as Andy’s often criticized yet not incorrect agent Dan Fegan once said to me: “A charge is just as good as a block.” Actually, it’s better because you get the ball and a foul on the other guy.
I think the key phrase in Stein’s story is fines will only come on the “most egregious type of flops.” Or as some in the NBA would call them: Ginobilis. I certainly recognize that this will change the way the game is played and there’s no doubt Andy is a target and will probably feel this rule at some point next season. More than likely, the league will pass out a bunch early on and announce them all with the hope that it will stem the tide, then will let it go in the late season and playoffs.
When there were first rumors of this sort of action last year I asked Andy about it. He pretty much shrugged and told me that it is easier to get a charge called in the NBA than any other league in the world because of the no-charge zone. “Easier to get charges because of the no-charge zone?” I repeated. “Yes, because if you set up outside of it and there is contact the officials have to make the call. In international games, they can let it go. The line makes them blow the whistle,” Andy told me. And, you know what, he’s right.
So these fines may not be great news for Andy, but I suspect it won’t change the way he plays the game at all.
–One more thing more I go, people are still asking me about why I didn’t address Carmelo Anthony rumors in my previous blog. I mean, I was giving you guys some credit. Why would the Nuggets trade their franchise player for any reason? I don’t care what rumors have come out of New Jersey or anywhere else, this is crazy. And you sure don’t trade him for expiring contracts. C’mon folks. Now, if Denver gets off to a bad start next season I could see them looking to trade Allen Iverson (heading into the last year of his deal) and maybe start a bit of a rebuilding because they have a sky-high payroll and have yet to win a playoff series with this group. But you don’t trade Melo, you build around him.
–Also, on the Jermaine O’Neal rumors. When Chad Ford wrote it he said he checked it out and it wasn’t true. You never say never, but I don’t see Danny Ferry trading Zydrunas Ilgauskas and I don’t see the Pacers moving O’Neal for a guy in his 30s. How does that make sense for the Pacers. He’s their franchise player, even if he’s been hurt for the last couple of years.
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Ooooh…. it’s just an HONOR to watch Kobe Bryant. He is so amazing. All he needed was a hot sponge bath at halftime by myself and he would have performed a miracle
I’m dumbfounded by the WWE-style officiating in the NBA. Simply amazed. I never thought in a million years I’d see an NBA Finals more rigged than the Miami-Dallas debacle of 2006. Go figure.
Tim, you left out one of the reasons the Celtics would win… Kevin Garnett being completely whistle-proof for the better part of 6 months after having thrown on a Celtics jersey. The only thing more disgusting was the interview in which Bill Russell nearly leaned over and french kissed Garnett. Try not to tear your rotator cuff with all that back-patting, k pal?
Biff, the only conspiracy theorist on this site goes by Alan Tucker.
I wonder if the Celtics will invite Kevin McHale to the championship parade and let him touch the trophy. Perhaps they could go a step further and allow him to give a speech about loyalty, Celtic pride, and how to make a guy like Al Jefferson look like a plausible trade chip. I’d love to see it, actually.
Oh, and Tim. Just IMAGINE if the Lakers had Larry Hughes. Wow, they’d be pretty much unstoppable, huh?
Hi Josh, I know you’re being sarcastic, but I’ll take the bait anyways. Since Larry and Kobe play the same position, he would have to play the point to start. With Larry, the Lakers would have a better perimeter D and he would fit in with their run-and-gun style. Derek Fisher is a little better perimeter shooter and ball handler, but he’s not as athletic at this point in his career. The Lakers style of offense fits Larry’s slashing skills well, so overall, I’d say the Lakers would be a little better with Larry instead of Derek Fisher, but not enough to get them past the Celtics.
I still think if the Cavs would simply trade Wally straight up to Chicago to get Larry back we’d win it all next year with our current roster, but I know I’m ticking everyone off again and opening myself up to more ridicule by saying this.
Unless someone basically gives us a gift via a trade, I’m not too high on any of the trade scenarios that I’ve heard. Since we won’t do the Larry-Wally swap, I just think we need to stay put and draft the best NBA-ready 2 guard (not combo guard – a real 2 guard) available at the 19th spot and hope he can give us significant quality minutes next year as a rookie. With a full training camp playing together and hopefully a completely healthy AV, Gibson and Sasha back, I still think we’re a championship contender next year as currently constructed.
Oh and Josh, I totally agree with you about the KG and Bill Russell interview – it’s completely nauseating and I’m sick of seeing it. I probably don’t like the Celtics any more than you do, but this year I was going to root for whoever came out of the East, even if it was the Pistons whom I despise. I’m just so sick of the national media saying how great the West is and other stupid things like ‘Leastern Conference” and “Junior Varsity conference”, etc…. Well, the West is getting a heavy dose of Eastern Conference basketball and they’re not faring too well this time. It was amazing to me how the Lakers were the lock-in favorites to beat the Celtics in the Finals even though Boston had home court advantage and they absolutely DOMINATED the West during the regular season. Well, it’s not over yet, but I think the Celtics will most likely lose tonight (especially if Perkins doesn’t play), but they’ll win game 6. I’m not counting them out tonight, though.
Josh, I’m a “conspiracy theorist?” Notwithstanding I and a precious few other realists have been absolutely correct approximately 99 times out of every 100 since this blog first started a few years ago, some rank imbeciles have called me a whole bunch of incredibly idiotic names. But a conspiracy theorist? That’s a brand new one.
Oh, and look very, very closely, why is Bob Ferry in the Zapruder film? Just wondering.
Legend in your own mind there Alan? Congrats on being right about the Cavs not winning a title yet. I mean, not that you’re getting incredibly favorable odds to be right or anything. And let’s face it, if all of us could look back and say that Ferry made a mistake signing Hughes, Marshall and Jones with that incredible hindsight that only YOU have, we’d all be right too!!! But alas, you’re batting .999, and that is pretty d@mn impressive, so I guess I have no choice but to give credit where it’s due.
Hey Tim, saying that Fisher is a “slightly” better shooter than Larry Hughes is like saying Tiger Woods is a “slightly” better golfer than Bill Murray. Good call. That being said, you’re killing me with kindness. Very thoughtful responses, calm demeanor, and other than your Larry fetish, pretty much spot-on opinions.
As opposed to Tucker’s predictable “OH come on, Ferry sucks – insert gibberish – Gilbert is a weasel – insert a few 10 cent words – Bob Ferry in a string bikini – insert self glorification – Biff is a twit” routine.
…and by the way Alan, tons of NBA teams can afford to pay a guy 20+ million a year. It’s called revenue sharing and that’s why Garnett was making those dollars in Minneapolis for years. Also, plenty of teams have the “cap room” for a max money guy. It’s called a soft salary cap.
Uhh … hindsight? Josh, I wrote from the get-go that they were all bad moves. And I still don’t know what you’re talking about. Conspiracy theorist? Sorry, don’t get it.
And Biff, it’s called a soft salary cap to sign your OWN guy. Next to nobody could get Garnett. His old contract was grandfathered. And it was laughable when a few dingleberries raised the nonexistent possibility of Cleveland getting him. Jeez, the guy’s trade kicker alone was worth nearly $10 million.
Seriously Brian, almost 3 weeks and no update? You could give us just a LITTLE something to chew on, you’d think.
Why isn’t Al Jefferson a plausible trade chip, Josh? I wish he were on the Cavs.
Alan: Soft so you can re-sign your own guys or trade for anybody you want within 125%. Let’s just agree that its not very hard to go way over the cap and do it without a lot of the money being spent on re-signing guys (See Cavaliers, Cleveland).
larry d.: Al Jefferson is a plausible trade chip…..just not somebody the Cavs would hope to get as the feature piece in a package for Lebron some day which is essentially what the Timberwolves did. I realize the situation is considerably different but the point is that he’s a guy who might make a couple of all-star teams in his career and he was the only proven piece in a deal for a guy who is probably top 3 or 4 all-time at his position and still has a lot of years left.
The Celtic conspiracy theorists are arguing it both ways.
The Celts can’t win it all without the refs because they don’t have an all-time great player (Garnett), yet they obtained an all-time great player (the same Garnett–as good as LeBron according to Biff) for a mere two or three time all star.
Which is it?
The Celtics can win it all without the refs…they just couldn’t do it without an “arms-length” transaction involving one of their franchise legends over the Summer.
I wasn’t saying Garnett is as good as Lebron. I’m saying he is an elite superstar and an all-time great at his position and you don’t trade him for a marginal all-star and some draft picks.
Maybe that was McHale’s final punishment from the league for the Joe Smith signing fiasco (sit back down in your chairs larry d. and alan t. because I’m only joking).
By the way, I love it how I’m the conspiracy theorist in all of this. Lets consider the following hypothetical:
The 2002-2003 Cavs won 17 games. Lets say, just for fun, that during the following offseason, the Spurs named Larry Nance as their new GM….and Nance decided to trade Tim Duncan to the Cavs for 2002-2003 Carlos Boozer and 2 first rounders. Then, the 2003-2004 Cavs went on to win 60 games and go to the NBA finals.
Don’t you think that might raise some eyebrows?
Now, I know this is a flawed hypothetical, mainly because Garnett is a lot older than Tim Duncan was in 02 and the Spurs would’ve been under no pressure to move him. Still, the dramatic improvement of a terrible team after giving up a marginal future talent and some picks to a former franchise great for an elite superstar….well, that’s exactly what just happened with the Celtics.
You’re right, it is a major flawed hypothetical. MAJOR. Not even close to being on point.
Nobody thought there was a “conspiracy” when Embry moved Abdul-Jabbar to Los Angeles. Nobody thought there was a “conspiracy” when Chamberlain was traded by the 76ers to the Lakers. I could go on, but why bother.
And Jefferson is a “marginal” future talent? I don’t think so. And that Wolves first-round pick they got back? Marginal? I don’t think so, especially if it turns out to be the first or second pick in a draft.
Besides, there was more to that improvement in the record than just Garnett. I think Ray Allen had something to do with it, too.
Thoughts:
- C’mon, by now you guys know that you don’t worry about proving Alan wrong on the Hughes, Marshall, Z and Jones signings. Those deals didn’t work out, it happens. The important part is to point out that there weren’t better moves to be made with other players. Sure, he doesn’t like the Z signing, but even he has to admit that the only respectable big men that have changed teams in the last 4 years are Tyson Chandler and Pau Gasol.
- Al Jefferson may be a regular All-Star in his career, but it will be by default. Minnesota isn’t about to find a real star as long as Kevin McHale is the GM, so Jefferson will be their go-to guy. He’s the next Zach Randolph, a guy who puts up numbers, but doesn’t help his team win.
- Speaking of McHale, I don’t think you can ignore the fact that Boston benefited from former-Celtic Kevin McHale running the T’Wolves, and the Lakers benefited from former-Laker Jerry West running the Grizzlies, and leaving his protege in charge when he left. How come Steve Kerr isn’t sending some nice deals our way?
Mike C.
Derek Fisher career FG 40.2%
Larry Hughes career FG 40.9%
You might be thinking Fisher is a much better shooter because his playoff numbers are better- Career 45% fg and an improbable buzzer beater.
I’d love to have Amare Stoudemire… cmon Steve, send him our way.
Alan, anyone who buys into this “LeBron is headed to NY” to the point where they guarantee it’s going to happen is a conspiracy theorist. Anyone who accuses Dan Gilbert of not wanting to win and only focusing on his wallet is a conspiracy theorist. The bottom line is, you act like you KNOW all these things to be true, when in fact none of them can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. THAT, my senile friend, is why you are a conspiracy theorist.
Mike C nailed it. Kevin Garnett is a franchise player, a HOF’er, and probably one of the defining Power Forwards of our generation. Al Jefferson wont come close to that type of player. Good, but not great.
Biff’s hypothetical isnt far off at all. Boozer is good, not great. Duncan is a first-ballot HOF’er, one of/if not the best Power Forward in the league, and a top 5 player of his generation. Sprinkle in 2 first rounders, and that’s really enough for Tim Duncan? Larry Nance pulling the trigger to send him to Cleveland? NO ONE would question that? I bet the national media would be all over it, calling for Stern to intervene, ripping Nance, the whole ball of yarn…
Again, Alan and the naysayers, I would like to see a hindsight blueprint of how you would have run this team any better than Danny Ferry. Who would you have signed, traded, or drafted? How would you have handled it differently? If you have the guts, let’s have it…
Mike C and Josh, I couldn’t agree more about Jefferson and the trade.
Alan t., I would say that 2003 Carlos Boozer had about as much upside as 2008 Al Jefferson…..not to mention the fact that the draft pick the Cavs would’ve given up in my hypo would have been a near certain shot to get either Lebron, Wade, Anthony, or Bosh. Even looking at the Garnett transaction when it was made, (and before the lottery) the T-Wolves knew that at best they were getting back a chance to Get Michael Beasley, Derrick Love, or OJ Mayo. Not exactly the 03 draft class.
The point is that the entire dealing was shady and one of two things happened:
1. McHale knew he couldn’t destroy the last couple of years of Garnett’s prime, that the team was dead in the water, and that he had to move him so he figured he might as well make a gift trade to his favorite team as opposed to getting substantially more value elsewhere (VERY LIKELY SCENARIO)
2. Uncle Dave Stern called and said that it was time to get Garnett into a better market where he could win and that in the wake of the Ray Allen trade, the Celtics, Garnett, and the NBA would all benefit by creating a championship calliber team in Boston. (Much less likely scenario but can anyone really rule it out?)
Either way, the whole thing makes this Celtics team a sham and anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.
You fellows are getting nutty.
Al Jefferson is a 23-year-old 6-10″ power player who averaged over 20 pts. and 11 rebs. last year. Considering Garnett’s age, who better could the Wolves have gotten?
To say he’d be an All-Star only “by default” is laughable considering the number of times I’ve seen posters here call Big Z a legitimate all-star at 14 pts. and 8 or 9 boards.
Garnett’s age of course makes Biff’s scenario a pretty good stretch. Last year’s Wolves were going nowhere and Garnett’s salary would keep them from doing so any time in the near future.
Not only was 2003 Duncan younger than Garnett, the Spurs were a team expected to regularly compete for championships.
As far as the silly “Who could the Cavs have gotten” instead of Hughes, Donyell, etc., question, I’d think the complicated trade Ferry pulled off this spring would show any fan that the combination of possibilities would have been nearly endless.
Hughes, Donyell and Jones were all journeymen who had quickly worn out their welcomes with every team they played for.
Who better could they have gotten? Seriously? You don’t think there were any teams out there that might have dangled some better players to get KG? You’re talking about the same league where Miami got Shawn Marion for Shaq’s corpse right? It’s the same one?
I’ll go out on a limb here and say that of the 10 or so NBA teams that might have had a legit shot of winning a title had they acquired KG last June, at least one of them could come up with a better player than Al Jefferson (Like say Amare Stoudamire).
If you want to try to tell me that Jefferson was the best young player offered, you probably also believe that a package of cap space and late first rounders was the best thing offered mid-season for Pau Gasol. The first (the Garnett deal) is unlikely. The second (the Gasol deal is patently absurd.
Unless McHale and Wallace were screening their phone calls and covering their ears, I would bet the farm that at some point, they heard a better offer and yet, chose to “go another direction.”
Tune in tonight for the season finale’ of “the 2007-2008 NBA Season” tonight on NBC! I’m predicting a surprise wedding for KG or perhaps we’ll find out that Pierce is pregnant!
Does anyone know why ESPN has us taking a big man (either Koufus from OSU or Hibbard from Georgetown) in their mock drafts? We have 4 big men now that we have in the rotation. Maybe next year would be the time to go big since we’re getting old, but I still think we need to take the best shooting guard on the board at 19 this year and hope he can shoot and create his own shot.
Josh, you obviously don’t know the definition of “conspiracy theorist.” By your wacky definition, Nostradamus was a conspiracy theorist.
Well, the Celtics are the world champs. At least it wasn’t Kobe hoisting the trophy. (What an epic, underreported choke job by him throughout the series btw.) The Celtics big three are 31,32,and 33 respectively. The Pistons and Spurs are fading, aging past champions. Is there any reason why the Cavs shouldn’t win at least 2 of the next 3 titles? If you have the best player in the world and play the sort of gritty, playoff defense the Cavs do, why would you expect anything less? The Celtics are a nice squad, a nice story. But theyre hardly the dynastic juggernaut some would have you believe. (Someone please strangle Billy Simmons before I lose my mind). The Cavs need one guy. One piece and we can start reserving playoff tickets in June for the next three years. Do something Boatshoes.
Good points, Doc. And we are in a great position. After, this series it seems obvious that James has supplanted Kobe as the best player in the league and we have a great defense (thank you Mike Brown). We just need a somewhat competent second scorer on this team and we are golden. Get it done, Danny.
Yes, doc. And the Cavaliers’ Big 2 of Ilgauskas and Wallace begin the season at 33 and 34, respectively. Two starters, two huge untradeable contracts.
As great as James is, it’s going to take more than just one reliable scorer. And while knocking Varejao seems to be the hip thing to do, and there’s no doubt he’s gone by the trade deadline, with as many gaping holes as the Cavs have, it’s going to be tough to replace him with those forks in the backs of Ilgauskas and Wallace poking everybody in the eye.
And no championship team should ever have a guy like Delonte West starting at point. Might as well sign Allen Leavell.
By the way, what’s the deal with Snow’s contract. Are they going to get a career-ending injury exemption against the cap and waive him, like the Blazers did with Darius Miles?
Doc:
Here’s the only problem with your analysis: You can’t look at the NBA radar and figure out where the next storms are coming from. In June of 07, would you have ever predicted that Boston, a 27 win team, would become a factor in the near future?
The problem is that the landscape is fluid and unpredictable (cough…except that I would go out on a limb and predict that good players on bad teams will find their way to big markets and better teams).
The Cavs will have a chance but don’t fool yourself into thinking that some unforseen challengers won’t emerge.
Biff is right and it’s possible a team like Atlanta might make a jump and be pretty good next year. They’ve got enough talent to pull off a big trade if they need to.
Speaking of trades, the scenario McManaman outlined in his article today sure opens some interesting possibilities as far as the Cavs putting an even wierder looking combination of players on the court next year. It would be awesome to see Villanueva out there with Devin Brown, Pavlovic, Delonte and Big Ben with his hair out.
- If the Cavs were going to compete last year, they needed Larry Hughes to stay healthy and focused, and they needed Gibson, Varejao and Pavlovic to improve the way 24-year-old players are supposed to improve. Obviously none of that happened, and the Cavs really didn’t have much of a chance in 07-08.
- Biff is right in saying that the Boston trades changed the landscape of the Eastern Conference. LeBron by himself might have been enough to get the Cavs back to the Finals if it wasn’t for Boston (and all indications are that he would have). But I would argue that if Hughes, Gibson, Varejao and Pavlovic had been effective this year, the Cavs would have been able to beat the Celtics. Instead, they all missed big chunks of time with holdouts and injuries.
- Still, unless David Stern ochestrates a move that sends Steve Nash and T-Mac to the Knicks, I think we can already see which teams will be contenders in the East next year.
- Boston will be there, but I expect them to have a drop-off. They won on hustle and defense, and I don’t expect that they will be able to duplicate that effort next year. The Big 3 are also getting up there, and if one of them in injured for the playoffs, they don’t have a chance. I also expect them to lose James Posey this offseason, and his production will be hard to replace.
- Orlando will make some noise, but they desperately need an injection of experience and toughness, and I don’t think they are going to get it. Dwight Howard is a beast, and he may continue to get more dominant (if that is possible). But this team relies on Howard to do too much on the inside, and unless they strengthen their front line around Howard, I don’t think they’re a real contender. Just because a guy is 6′10” (Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu, Lamar Odom, Charlie Villanueva) does not mean he’s a power forward.
- (A side note on Villanueva: He shot 43% from the field last year. That’s completely unacceptable for a guy who is 6′10”, and should be a big red flag when it comes to trading for him.)
- Detroit is interesting. They may make a move for a big-name player to make one final run with this team, or Joe Dumars may blow it up and make some holes for guys like Stuckey and Maxiell to develop into the next generation of Pistons. Detroit will still be a force to be reckoned with, but they will be less of a threat next year than they were in 07-08.
- Miami is the team that I think will make a huge leap. They tanked their way to 15 wins last year, and I wouldn’t be too shocked if they made a turnaround similar to what the Celtics did this year. If Dwyane Wade and Shawn Marion are healthy, then 57 wins isn’t impossible, which would be the same increase that the Celtics saw this year. They are going to add a very good player in Rose or Beasley, and the appeal of South Beach should be enough to help them bring in a quality veteran or two on the cheap.
- As for Philadelphia, Chicago, Washington or Atlanta, I think they are all a few players and a few years away from making any real noise.
- Of course, all of this could change depending on moves made this offseason. But if I’m Danny Ferry and the Cavaliers, I feel good about where I am right now, knowing that just a few good moves should be enough to get me over the top.
- Though I’m also praying every night that LeBron doesn’t tear his ACL in the Olympics.
Go Cavs.
Mike C.
I’d agree with most of your assesment Mike C. I don’t see the Heat jumping to more than 40 or so wins just because they will have very little depth, even after the draft.
I guess the only thing that we can take comfort in is the fact that the Cavs have a chance to be the best team in the East next year. When push came to shove and it really mattered, they were almost there again this year and that’s with an awful lot going wrong during the season.
As I see it, the Cavs need to do both of the following to win the East next year:
1. Make 1 big move by next year’s trade deadline and bring in a guy that plays well with Lebron. I don’t know who it will be but they will need him.
2. Win at least enough games to have home court all the way to the Eastern finals. It’s just too hard to win 2 consecutive series against good teams without the home court. One additional thing that an offseason trade might do for this team is make them play with a little more energy.
Alan, you’re Nostradamus like Lindsey Lohan is a choir girl. Quit while you’re behind.
Posey is an Ohio kid, and would fill that 2-guard hole nicely. I’m sure he’d love to be a starter, and the Cavs have hefty mid-level exception.
However, if the Cavs can really get Redd and Charlie V for Andy and expiring deals, I dont know why they wouldnt jump at it. I’d rather not blow our cap out of the water, but what choice does Ferry have at this point? I wish they’d go for Mo Williams in that deal, but he’s probably not available.
I really dont think it’s too much to ask to get SOME sort of a hindsight outline of what the Cavs could have done rather than sign the three stooges. I mean, you guys dont think they did their homework and did the best they could? There was really a magical trade out there that would have gotten us a couple of all-stars? I mean, let’s have it. Larry? Alan? You’re all so quick to point out what a horrible job Ferry has done. Give us your best hypothetical, or just keep bashing the front office with baseless criticism, whichever…
Posey? Ferry already blew him off and told him to get lost. Posey said so himself. That’s why he was playing for Boston instead of Cleveland.
And I wasn’t comparing myself to Nostradamus, kid. I was merely mocking your ridiculous definition of “conspiracy theorist.” Frankly, my dogs could have predicted what’s happened to the the Cavs since Ferry rolled all $30 million of cap space into a big fat wad and threw it at four Amazonian strippers within a span of weeks. And trust me, my dogs ain’t anything like Nostradamus. Unless Nostradamus sniffed 16th century asses and licked his own private parts. Then indeed maybe they are like Nostradamus.
And in hindsight, you would have…? Instead of Ferry’s signings, you would have…? Because you bash Ferry endlessly, you are going to justify it by pointing out that…?
Or you could praise a GM who drafted Darko Milicic, senselessly attack Daniel Gibson’s game, and call the Atlanta Hawks every homo-suspect term in your little pink book.
You’re a hypcrite and a fool…
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