Bad start means bad finish in Jersey
Posted March 12th, 2008 by bwindhorst
Nets 104, Cavs 99
–I’m not going to spend a lot of time tonight because the wireless at the Izod Center is a huge joke. Like most things with the Nets and the Meadowlands complex, it is sub-standard.
–The Cavs lost this game in the first quarter. They had a chance to survive it, but they lost that at the start of the third quarter when they gave up a 10-2 run. All the stuff that happened in the fourth — the comeback that fell short — is window dressing. The Cavs went to their small lineup and played junk ball and it worked in the short term. At the end, everybody got tired and there were silly mistakes that finished them. But that’s what happens when you get down 19, you have to be perfect to come back. Sometimes it’s not too late, tonight it was. When they finish with 46 or 47 wins this will be one of the games where they lost a chance at 50.
–This is the 15th different starting lineup the Cavs have used this season, there are going to be consequences when that happens. Joe Smith and Delonte West have never played with Sasha Pavlovic. It showed, they covered the pick-and-roll and and rotated like they were running in sand. Anderson Varejao was simply terrible on defense in the first half and LeBron got caught on rotations. After the first quarter, the Cavs held the Nets to 41 percent shooting. But the first quarter counts, too.
–I personally question whether Sasha is really ready. He’s only had a couple practices, it’s a very serious injury and he missed more than a quarter of the season. That is a lot to overcome, I think you may need more than two days of contact.
–Let me say, the Nets played great, especially with their ball movement early. But down the stretch, they reverted to form. They are not a good team, though you saw Devin Harris’ value late. He was 1-of-22 on 3-pointers on their five-game road trip so you knew he was probably due to make a couple.
–Devin Brown and Damon Jones played excellent tonight. Devin shut down Vince Carter and Damon really held his own at the defensive end. He got beat a couple of times by Devin Brown, but you have to expect that. These two guys work hard, really are committed to running the offense, and are veterans. No way they should lose playing time, though they shouldn’t play this much. Also, Wally Szczerbiak played well tonight. He missed some open jumpers, but he’s been doing that. He had five assists and was good on defense when he was in there. Based on the way Sasha, Delonte and Joe Smith played, Wally was good tonight.
–LeBron’s attack to this game was top notch, he was relentless in going to the basket and it got him 21 free throws. He made just one 3-pointer and had 42 points, usually he’s got to be hot from the outside to go for 40.
–The Cavs and especially LeBron, who played a whopping 46 minutes tonight, expended a lot of energy in this loss. It’ll probably show up tomorrow.
–After the game in the locker room, Austin Carr when up and congratulated LeBron on passing him for second place on the Cavs scoring list. By next week, LeBron will probably pass Brad Daugherty to become the all-time leader. LeBron was very gracious and pleased that A.C. would come and personally give him the best wishes. LeBron’s sense of history is remarkable, he really is a student of the game and, unlike some young players, he goes out of his way to pay respect to the elders. That’s not a stroke job either, I’ve seen him do it many times and it is sincere on his behalf.
Recap:
Pregame
Starting linueps
Cavs: Delonte West, Sasha Pavlovic, LeBron James, Joe Smith, Anderson Varejao
Nets: Devin Harris, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson, Nenad Kristic, Josh Boone
Officials
Dick Bavetta, Violet Palmer, Gary Zielinski…..I think this is just the first or second time the Cavs have had Bavetta this season. He likes to call charges.
–Yes, that is Sasha Pavlovic in the starting lineup. While this may seem crazy, taking a guy who hasn’t played in 23 games and sticking him right in the fire, this actually sticks to Mike Brown form. With the exception of when LeBron came off the bench to protect Varejao from getting booed in December, Mike wants to know right away whether a guy is on his game or not. Which is why we’ve seen guys go from the inactive list to the starting lineup in the past. Of course, don’t tell that to Devin Brown, who had been playing great and is now coming off the bench.
–Second thing with the starters is that Ben Wallace is out with back pain. The injury report says he has back spasms, I think Mike slipped before the game and said he had a back strain. Maybe this is the same thing, but I think there is a difference. Anyway, the team sounded optimistic Ben would play yesterday and now they sound pessimistic about tomorrow in D.C. For what it is worth. Joe Smith is in there, which is the dynamic I think the Cavs need. A scorer and a defender in the post. Be it a Wallace/Zydrunas Ilgauskas pairing or Smith/Varejao or whatever. Either way, Dwayne Jones is going to have to play some minutes tonight and LeBron will have to play some at power forward I suspect.
–The Nets are just back from a West Coast trip in which they went 0-5. They have been really struggling to score since trading Jason Kidd and Harris can’t seem to buy a shot. But the Cavs have not played well here in the regular season over the last couple years. They are 0-2 against the Nets this season.
Halftime — Nets 58, Cavs 47
–The Cavs were very lethargic at the outset of this game, a rather cocky attitude that they thought they were going to just show up an win. The Nets did make 14 of their 16 shots and they made a lot of jumpers, too. But most of those baskets came around the basket as Anderson Varejao especially was terrible. The Nets have 30 points in the paint at half, which is the real reason why they are ahead.
–There was a bit of a comeback in the second quarter when the Cavs were more active and not some defensive stops. But they again got a little loose late with the defense. The Nets are not a good offensive team and they will miss lots of jumpers if you give them the chance. But they have 19 assists in the half because they are just throwing it in the paint and getting hoops.
–That said, the Cavs offensive has been pretty strong. They had assists on their first 13 baskets and there’s lots of driving to get fouls, especially from LeBron, who is being very aggressive on that end of the floor. If that continues they will have a chance to win this game, but it will be predicated on whether they can get stops.
–Sasha played six very average minutes before being pulled, missing two wide open jumpers. Maybe as a result both Devin Brown and Wally Szczerbiak played well of the bench. Sasha’s leash will probably shorter in the second half.
March 12th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I hope the Cavs stocked up on penicillin before their trip to the worlds most digusting sporting venue-The Izod Center. Hopefully they are inoculating. themselves against Nets disease in their locker room as we speak.You know the symptoms–lethargy, selfishness, all around malaise. Hopefully the good guys win and we get outta there s soon as possible.
GO CAVS!
March 12th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
KJ:
Here’s why I’m done arguing with you:
You see things so black and white that you can’t understand a nuanced argument. For example:
-When I say that Lebron might leave, you take that to mean that I’m in the “Lebron is gone” camp. You ignore the fact that the night after the Knicks game, I posted extensively making fun of the media for all their Jay-Z Brooklyn nonsense. Lebron MIGHT leave is different from he IS leaving. You can’t seem to grasp that.
And yes, I understand what Lebron said but you have to be a little smarter than you’re being. Lets say for example Lebron was thinking about leaving. With two years left on his current contract, what do you think he might say? I hate the Cavs? This organization stinks? Screw Cleveland? Lebron isn’t an idiot dude. Use your head.
But this is just a perfect example of how you being an idiot ends up making me defend positions that I’m not even advocating. I don’t don’t think Lebron will leave but of course, it’s possible.
-I don’t know how many times I keep saying that I like the trade or that I think the Cavs are going to be a tough out in the playoffs but that I don’t think they’ve played well in the last couple weeks. In your little mind, that must mean that I’m being a pessimist and that I don’t believe in this team.
Listen, obviously I post on this board because its fun to talk about the Cavs and hear other peoples’ points of view. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is people who won’t take the time to read a post carefully to figure out a person’s position because they are in too big of a hurry to go tell that person how wrong they are. I don’t want to root against the Cavs tonight because I know if they win, your dumb ass will come on the board ranting about how right you were that the Cavs are playing great. They might play great tonight and I hope they do. But that doesn’t change the fact that they were mediocre in the last 10 games but you won’t understand that because you’re either too stupid or just don’t want to take the time to think it through.
I’m not going to idiot-proof my posts for you any more than I already have. If the statement isn’t clearly “CAVS ARE GOOD” or “CAVS ARE BAD,” you aren’t going to understand it anyway. There are better uses for this board than as a forum for me to explain simple shit to you.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
12-14 to start for the nets. This is nauseating.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
I’ve never seen a team start off 14-16 from the floor. That is incredible.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Good job Brown you want to see how Pavlovic is? He stinks!! That is all you need to know.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
New Jersey is the NBA’s equivalent of the Tin-Man. I expect a cleveland comeback. There’s no way NJ will play hard enough to keep Lebron from going off sooner or later.
March 12th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
you guys see JAY Z, lebrons best friend, here comes another 50 8 and 10 night
March 12th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
What do you guys think of the first half? Down 11 to the Nets? Should we be concerned, not just about this game but about the playoffs if we’re having trouble with the Nets?
March 12th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
I live in Jersey and watching the game on YES. I wish you guys could here the announcers - Marv Albert and the other guy (?). As well as the Nets played, these guys are infatuated with Lebron. Granted, he has made some unbelievable plays (the block on Jefferson followed by the 3 point play over Vince) to name one, but Marv just keeps babbling about how Lebron is so awesome. If I were a Nets fan, I’d be pissed. It is true though, LJ is playing on a different level, one that I’ve never seen. It’s much different than MJ or Kobe - it’s the size, speed, power, and gracefulness combined.The passing, the our of nowhere quickness and blocks, the awareness. I am considering naming my first child Lebron James.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Lebron’s foul on Josh Boone was incredible. Josh Boone is 6′10 240 and was headed to the rim with a full head of steam. Lebron put him on the ground and didn’t even flinch. God his strength is incredible.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
There is no way Sasha should be starting. Is it any coincidence that the Nets have made huge runs while he’s on the floor? Devin Brown has been doing everything we’ve asked of him and he deserves to keep playing.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
I’m very concerned with the defense.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Joe Smith just blew our chance at a win. Can’t even box out on a free throw. Other than LJ, there is nobody you can count on from this team to come up big at the end.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Why do we even bother with Draculic ?
March 12th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
I’m just sitting here waiting patiently for kj’s inevitable 7-4,
7-4!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEVEN AND FOUR!!!!!! post.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Bad, bad loss. And considering they will lose tomorrow night as well (2nd game of a back-to-back on the road against a sub-.500 team that has something to play for), there’s an inevitable losing streak on our hands.
The injuries are killing us. Z and Gibson need to get back as soon as possible. We can’t keep starting games like this.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
First of JBJB, I have heard every broadcaster in the NBA do a Cavs game, and everybody constantly praises LeBron. It is not just YES…..it is every network. You should have heard Scott Williams when we played the Bucks….he talked about LeBron so much that it pissed off the play-by-play guy.
Back to the game, what a poor effort by the Cavs. Besides LeBron and Devin, everybody else was a joke. I mean, come on Wally, you are shooting like Larry Hughes right now (but at least Wally won’t take 15 shots like Larry).
It really is a shame what Cleveland is doing to LeBron. We have the greatest player in the world and yet we still cannot find a few good players to help him out. I hate to bring it up, but the Cavs’ losing Boozer is killing them.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Game Thoughts:
1. First and foremost, heroic effort by Lebron tonight. You can’t say enough about the guy. He has become insanely competitive and a cold blooded assassin in the fourth quarter.
2. This was a classic Mike Brown butcher job tonight. I’ve never been an anti-Mike Brown guy but I’m being pushed in that direction. Where to begin….How about inserting Pavlovich in the starting lineup? I guess in his mind that shows confidence in his player. My guess is the other 29 coaches in the league would say you’d have to be an idiot to start a guy who’s missed as much time as Sasha. My guess is they would say you’d have to be an even bigger idiot to start a guy who’d missed that much time who was playing so atrociously before he got hurt. Then, they would say you’d have to be crazy to start said player over his replacement who was probably playing better than any other guard on your team. Finally, they would probably say you’d have to be a colossal retard if you decided to bring the guy back to start the second half after your team got blitzed with him out there in the first half. So, if you’re wondering, No, I did not like the Sasha Pavlovich move. The Cavs +- with him on the floor tonight had to be at least -15 and he only played 10 minutes!
Second, why was Szczerbiak out there in the 4th quarter when his shot is still clearly stuck at the airport in Seattle. He had a couple of nice inside hoops in the first half but Brown had him out there spotting up late in the game. Why, oh why on earth would you do that given the way he moves on defense. To make matters worse, Brown had him in there defending on the inbounds plays late in the game. Uh, Mike, if you are trying to prevent the other team from inbounding and cause a turnover, Wally isn’t your man.
Third, aside from the fact that the Cavs got blitzed out of the gate and out of the half, they also had no discernible offensive play drawn up for the crucial possession of the game when Lebron got trapped on the wing late in the clock and got the ball stripped. This was out of a timeout! I’m sorry but my confidence in a guy will be shaken when whatever the hell he drew up resulted in Lebron trapped 24 feet from the basket and pinned against the sideline with no time on the clock.
3. The Cavs desperately need to get healthy….except for Sasha who needs to get hurt.
4. Delonte West played 19 minutes tonight and took 3 shots. Glad to see Eric Snow is coaching him up.
5. Damon Jones played 29 minutes tonight. Wally Szczerbiak played 31. Whatever you do Mike, DON’T ride the hot hands.
6. New Jersey fleeced the Mavs. Devin Harris is a better PG than Kidd right now and they got a package that will allow them to rebuild in half the time it would’ve taken them had they kept Kidd.
7. Lebron played 46 minutes tonight and the Cavs have another game tomorrow (cue all the guys on this board who get on my case for worrying about Lebron’s minutes).
8. Devin Brown looks like he’s in slow motion when he goes to the hole but right now he’s the Cav’s best guard.
9. New Jersey had lost their previous 6 games by an average of double digits. Granted, the majority of those games were against great teams but those are some big margins in the NBA. I once saw the Cavs beat a decent team with only 6 regular players in uniform. I don’t care that Z, Boobie, and Wallace are out right now…the Cavs shouldn’t be losing a game like this after a night off.
We need to get healthy and quickly. This team has a lot of work to do.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD
March 12th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Devin in slow motion? What game are you watching?
March 12th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
I keep saying an obvious. It seems to me one of the biggest setbacks is not the players as much as having crazy offensive “schemes” or rather lack of offense know how plays.
Mike Brown does defense well enough - especially getting players to be defensively focused. But why doesn’t someone put some pressure on and get an assistant coach with some offensive play calling/plans ability?
March 12th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Just a poor effort from the beginning by the Cavaliers. They were playing catch-up all night and that’s no way to win on the road. Now getting a win in D.C. is imperative tomorrow night. Another tough road-road back-to-back. Ugh.
Please DJ, keep the mohawk!
http://savedjsmohawk.blogspot.com
March 12th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Cavs sucks…………..
March 12th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Just wanted to toss in a bit about Wally’s shooting. While he is in one heck of a slump, at least when he takes these shots, they are good shots. He is open, nice arc, etc. Hughes was taking really bad shots, covered, flat, off balance, etc.
Wally’s shot will start to fall soon.
Now to just get Z and Boobie back and have Sasha do a little more rehab.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Wally is taking open shots… but they have no arch dude
March 12th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
The game was already lost as early as in the first quarter. What an incredibly stupid coaching decision by Mike Brown. It was already very difficult breaking in Joe Smith in the starting line-up to go with Verajao and Delonte WEst two non starters before the latest round of injuries and that blockbuster trade, trade, then he brings in Pavlovic , a guy who hasn’t played in months in the starting lineup. It was already very difficult opening a regular starting line-up of BIg Z, Big Ben, LBJ, Devin and Delon more than halfway in the season since these five players were coming from three teams, two of whom were non starters before the trade and now the stupid Mike Brown replaces the fast becoming solid starter in Devin Brown with an out-of -shape Pavlovic in a very crucial game. So two new guys in the starting lineup to go with a two starters by default and a lone superstar - is it any wonder the Nets had 38 points in the first quarter?
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March 13th, 2008 at 12:56 am
One reason we lost and it’s very simple: Mike Brown is clueless.
March 13th, 2008 at 12:59 am
For the record, Bill Russell was still averaging 43 minutes a game at the age of 34, and spent five consecutive years averaging a full 45 minutes a game, give or take a few seconds. I wish we could get off this piece of nonsense about James’ minutes, as if Brown is a sadist who’s killing the poor guy. Brown isn’t killing James’ body, Ferry is slaying James’ spirit.
But I gotta agree about Count Pavlovic. It is truly supernatural that Brown let him start. But if people will simply look at this pregame video, nobody with any sense can possibly blame Brown for eventually succumbing to the intense pressure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVPxAgy7lBA
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March 13th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Thoughts on last night’s loss to the Nets:
- Say what you will, it was an entertaining game. Both sides had near-perfect stretches at multiple points during the game. I’d prefer a boring win, but at least it was an interesting loss.
- LeBron was fantastic yet again, but he’s not completely innocent in the loss last night. Only 16-23 on free throws, 6 turnovers, and some questionable decisions that got him in foul trouble, meaning he had to guard Bostjan Nachbar down the stretch. And how anyone can blame Mike Brown for LeBron backing himself into a corner then losing the ball, I’ll never know. I’m not killing the guy, I’m just saying his halo wasn’t as shiny as usual last night.
- That being said, LeBron’s effort would have been more than enough on a night where the Cavs had any kind of post presence whatsoever. Andy and Joe Smith combined for 6-16 and 14 points, while All-Stars Josh Boone and Nenad Krstic both went 5-7 and combined for 23 points. I know people have a hard time believing this, but the Cavs *need* Z and Wallace healthy to be a good team. They may not be superstars, but the Cavs aren’t nearly as good when they’re on the shelf. You need interior players to win consistently in this league, no matter who you’re playing. And if you think the Cavs can advance far in the playoffs without a healthy Z, you’re kidding yourself.
- Mike Brown’s gameplan didn’t cost them the game last night, though his decision to start Pavlovic was ridiculous. We obviously aren’t seeing practice, but I’m surprised Brown would put Pavlovic in the game if he wasn’t sure that he could keep up defensively. But Brown’s lack of offensive accumen wasn’t the reason the Cavs gave up 38 points in the 1st Quarter. There are plenty of reasons to question Mike Brown, but last night the Cavs were fine once they decided to listen to the coach and play some defense.
- Memo to Wally Szczerbiak: Get a tape of what Bostjan Nachbar did to you last night. That’s the kind of performance we expect for $13 Million. Wally didn’t have a terrible night, but the Cavs need him to be more of a factor, especially at the end of games. His shot couldn’t look more flat and crooked right now.
- Devin Harris = the reason Delonte West and Boobie Gibson aren’t really point guards in this league. Unlike Harris, West and Gibson rarely get the Cavs the easy buckets that make winning easier; every point is a grind for the Cavaliers. Cheers to West making that clutch 3 to give the Cavs a chance down the stretch, jeers to his amazing 5 turnovers and 3 fouls in 19 minutes.
- Is Dwayne Jones wearing the headband to make the officials think he’s Ira Newble, thereby avoiding a few of his “because you’re Dwayne Jones” fouls?
Go Cavs.
Mike C.
March 13th, 2008 at 10:30 am
The telling comment was when Coach was asked about the game and said “What defense?” Defense is the major problem since b4 the trade. They think they can turn it on and off. Starting SP makes sense because he can get a little game time and it’s obvious he’s not going to give you big numbers off the bench. We know we will finish with a more losses then last year and giving up that many points should be embarrasing. Guys have got to ge t tougher mentally and everything will fall into place.
March 13th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Mike C:
I’m fairly certain one of the perks included in Mike Brown’s contract is a dry-erase board. That’s how I blame him when we run a play that goes nowhere during a crucial possession after a timeout. I try very hard not to be a Mike Brown hater but situations like that expose him for what he is: A really nice guy and a one-dimmesional coach. I’m not even trying to to start a “fire Mike Brown” campaign. Lebron or no Lebron, such a move would be absurd after what the team did last season. Still, as long as Brown is at the helm, the only way we are going to beat good teams is playing flawless defense and having Lebron be absolutely perfect.
March 13th, 2008 at 11:55 am
“Still, as long as Brown is at the helm, the only way we are going to beat good teams is playing flawless defense and having Lebron be absolutely perfect.”
Exactly.
March 13th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Mike Brown, Hubie Brown, Jim Brown. What’s the difference who is at “the helm?” All that’s happening is the giddiness of the trade honeymoon is waning. You’re seeing why people were booing Wallace in Chicago, you’re seeing why West was 16th on a bad 15-man roster, you’re seeing another slow white guy who can shoot and is actually a pretty decent player when his shots fall, and you’re seeing that Joe Smith is a decent player and also why he has been doing the Drew Gooden vagabond career thing. This is Mike Brown’s doing?
What’s Brown supposed to discuss during a timeout? The Cavs have two plays after a timeout using Ferry’s personnel: Isolate James and let him do what he does, or use him as a decoy, get him triple-teamed, and then have him pass it to one of the Cavs’ plethora of open guys that can’t do much to create their own shots, but can stand relatively still and sometimes make one. I don’t understand how, in this situation, a coach can accept blame for being unable to use what’s on his roster. It is what it is. Leave Bill Duke alone.
March 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Hey, Coach Brown: There’s always barber college.
March 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Well alan t, I’m no basketball expert but I’ve seen several coaches (who didn’t have the luxury of having the greatest offensive weapon in the history of the game) come up with plays that were a lot more creative and effective than what Brown drew up for that timeout.
How about this minor adjustment just for starters: Lebron catches the ball at the top of the circle instead of the wing. Maybe, just maybe, this would make him a little harder to defend and trap.
I understand: The Cavs don’t have a ton of great complementary players. But I’m pretty sure Damon Jones was shooting well last night. Devin Brown was on his game. I’m really supposed to accept the fact that there is NOTHING to be drawn up for Lebron and two hot shooters?
March 13th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
LeBron has, on multiple occasions, completely disregarded the play that was drawn up during the timeout and done his own thing. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t do that, but I’m not about to blame Coach Brown for LeBron backing himself into a corner. Sometimes players and coaches make mistakes. But don’t blame the coach for the player’s mistake.
As long as Ilgauskas, Gibson, Wallace and Pavlovic are hurt, and as long as Szczerbiak can’t make open shots, there isn’t an offensive system in the world that could score consistently with this roster. The Cavs will have to rely on defense to win in the playoffs, the same defense that carried them to the Finals last year.
Defense and rebounding win in the postseason, and the Cavs have a coach who is very good at getting his team to focus on those aspects of the game. I’m not about to throw him under the bus when the team isn’t healthy, and when his opponents have better talent.
Mike C.
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