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	<title>Comments on: Devin Brown, Shawn Marion &amp; more</title>
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		<title>By: William Redd</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2007/09/28/devin-brown-shawn-marion-more/comment-page-1/#comment-13811</link>
		<dc:creator>William Redd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they should get shawn marion could it would help out lebron james more cause he need somebody that can run the floor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they should get shawn marion could it would help out lebron james more cause he need somebody that can run the floor</p>
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		<title>By: little sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>little sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey man 
look were simmons came from the hornets. bs plays a lot of head games.bs said one time that cs had no rebounds for a whole quarter. hey man its herb in byrons body,ceds at the top of the key setting picks for cp3.he needs supermans  speed to get position for a rebound.look? back injury ps,elbow dw,screw in foot cp3,tc ?,.bobby j is allright.remember the gift is inside waiting to come out--------cavs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey man<br />
look were simmons came from the hornets. bs plays a lot of head games.bs said one time that cs had no rebounds for a whole quarter. hey man its herb in byrons body,ceds at the top of the key setting picks for cp3.he needs supermans  speed to get position for a rebound.look? back injury ps,elbow dw,screw in foot cp3,tc ?,.bobby j is allright.remember the gift is inside waiting to come out&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;cavs</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2007/09/28/devin-brown-shawn-marion-more/comment-page-1/#comment-12669</link>
		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has nothing to do with Pavlovic and nothing to do with Ferry being a moron, but can somebody please explain this?  I stumbled across this video when I got those two videos of Varejao being dirty and clumsy.  Why is Avery Johnson brazenly assaulting poor Josh Howard&#039;s package?  This is just bizarre.  

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9172293762466946895&amp;q=avery+johnson+cup&amp;total=1&amp;start=0&amp;num=100&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has nothing to do with Pavlovic and nothing to do with Ferry being a moron, but can somebody please explain this?  I stumbled across this video when I got those two videos of Varejao being dirty and clumsy.  Why is Avery Johnson brazenly assaulting poor Josh Howard&#8217;s package?  This is just bizarre.  </p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9172293762466946895&amp;q=avery+johnson+cup&amp;total=1&amp;start=0&amp;num=100&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=0" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9172293762466946895&amp;q=avery+johnson+cup&amp;total=1&amp;start=0&amp;num=100&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=0</a></p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, there is a zero percent chance that Ferry will sign any good free agents, cap space or not.  Guys with talent aren&#039;t going to come to Cleveland voluntarily.  On the other hand, if you said that it will leave some breathing room for trades in return for guys who may or may not have talent, but have larger contracts, then you&#039;d have something.  They&#039;ll have to come via trade, and then pout about not wanting to come to Cleveland.  But who cares if they do?  Much like Pavlovic, they&#039;d be contractually stuck.  Let &#039;em pout.

larry, I think the reason it&#039;s seen as a ridiculous threat is because guys come from Europe to play in the major leagues, not the other way around.  This guy is not going to fly home with his tailfeathers between his legs.  

An exception to the NBA is the place to play rule would be a guy like Fran Vasquez, who could make more in Spain than he could with an NBA rookie contract, plus not be buried on an NBA chair.    

Maybe they&#039;ll be able to pawn Pavlovic for a mid to low first-round pick.  Just like old times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, there is a zero percent chance that Ferry will sign any good free agents, cap space or not.  Guys with talent aren&#8217;t going to come to Cleveland voluntarily.  On the other hand, if you said that it will leave some breathing room for trades in return for guys who may or may not have talent, but have larger contracts, then you&#8217;d have something.  They&#8217;ll have to come via trade, and then pout about not wanting to come to Cleveland.  But who cares if they do?  Much like Pavlovic, they&#8217;d be contractually stuck.  Let &#8216;em pout.</p>
<p>larry, I think the reason it&#8217;s seen as a ridiculous threat is because guys come from Europe to play in the major leagues, not the other way around.  This guy is not going to fly home with his tailfeathers between his legs.  </p>
<p>An exception to the NBA is the place to play rule would be a guy like Fran Vasquez, who could make more in Spain than he could with an NBA rookie contract, plus not be buried on an NBA chair.    </p>
<p>Maybe they&#8217;ll be able to pawn Pavlovic for a mid to low first-round pick.  Just like old times.</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 01:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Pavlovic tells Ferry to stuff it, he can still be a rich man with a great job an awful lot closer to home. I don&#039;t understand why playing in Europe is seen as some kind of ridiculous threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Pavlovic tells Ferry to stuff it, he can still be a rich man with a great job an awful lot closer to home. I don&#8217;t understand why playing in Europe is seen as some kind of ridiculous threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 01:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is saying he&#039;s an upgrade over Pavlovic.

However, the Cavaliers will have a lot of cap space after next year when some of their less desirable contracts expire.  You can&#039;t sabotage your chance to sign some big pieces THEN by pushing the panic button now and signing Pavlovic and Varajeo for way more than they are worth.  Pavlovic has some nice skills but he definitely has not proven himself to be consistent.  Also, he plays better when LeBron is not on the court - red flag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is saying he&#8217;s an upgrade over Pavlovic.</p>
<p>However, the Cavaliers will have a lot of cap space after next year when some of their less desirable contracts expire.  You can&#8217;t sabotage your chance to sign some big pieces THEN by pushing the panic button now and signing Pavlovic and Varajeo for way more than they are worth.  Pavlovic has some nice skills but he definitely has not proven himself to be consistent.  Also, he plays better when LeBron is not on the court &#8211; red flag.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck, Brown isn&#039;t an &quot;upgrade&quot; over Pavlovic.  Jeez, this past NBA season, this blog&#039;s very own author was raving about Pavlovic as the Second Coming, even voting for him as the NBA&#039;s Most Improved Player!  I thought that vote was absolutely ridiculous, but come on, Chuck.  Brown is on his sixth squad in six years.  He&#039;s not &quot;depth.&quot;

And yes, Chuck, I&#039;m happy that Varejao isn&#039;t getting a 5 year, $50 million contract.  But at this point, does it really matter?  When Ferry locked in Ilgauskas and Hughes, and to a lesser extent Marshall, the irreversible damage was done.  Although, if Varejao did this more often, I&#039;d give him whatever his agent wants, and then some:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9178175747911458710&amp;q=varejao&amp;total=177&amp;start=0&amp;num=100&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411449010799015517&amp;q=damon+jones++face&amp;total=2&amp;start=0&amp;num=100&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, Brown isn&#8217;t an &#8220;upgrade&#8221; over Pavlovic.  Jeez, this past NBA season, this blog&#8217;s very own author was raving about Pavlovic as the Second Coming, even voting for him as the NBA&#8217;s Most Improved Player!  I thought that vote was absolutely ridiculous, but come on, Chuck.  Brown is on his sixth squad in six years.  He&#8217;s not &#8220;depth.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yes, Chuck, I&#8217;m happy that Varejao isn&#8217;t getting a 5 year, $50 million contract.  But at this point, does it really matter?  When Ferry locked in Ilgauskas and Hughes, and to a lesser extent Marshall, the irreversible damage was done.  Although, if Varejao did this more often, I&#8217;d give him whatever his agent wants, and then some:</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9178175747911458710&amp;q=varejao&amp;total=177&amp;start=0&amp;num=100&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=1" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9178175747911458710&amp;q=varejao&amp;total=177&amp;start=0&amp;num=100&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=1</a></p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411449010799015517&amp;q=damon+jones++face&amp;total=2&amp;start=0&amp;num=100&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=0" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411449010799015517&amp;q=damon+jones++face&amp;total=2&amp;start=0&amp;num=100&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see...

First of all, Alan, it would have to be a package deal of some kind, totalling within a couple million of Marion&#039;s salary. Even if there was no sign and trade (remember, we have two unsigned players we could use in a deal, too), the Cavs could send Gooden and a couple contracts that run out of the next couple years. Phoenix would be able to dump Marion, get a power forward they like and save a little money when a contract runs out. Think Gooden, Newble, Jones, &amp; Brown - they would probably renounce Newble immediately. The Suns save 1.5 million right off the bat this year, even more if it drops them below the luxury tax they are right on the edge of. I figure the Suns could get more, but honestly, teams get less in deals for stars than I think they should all the time - look at what if took to get Ray Allen, Allen Iverson, Zach Randolph, etc. The point is you can make the numbers work with contracts that benefit the Suns.

Second, 20 minutes a game is not &quot;buried of the bench&quot; to me. It&#039;s almost half a game. And if you are saying he&#039;s taking minutes away from Snow and Pavlovic, those are immediate backups off the bench - important minutes indeed. Just not starter&#039;s minutes. But you&#039;ve basically said depth is worthless, so I see how that&#039;s insignificant to you.

It seems like Ferry decided if he couldn&#039;t add a proven starting point guard, the team would go with Hughes or Gibson at point. Both had success last year. Brown strikes me as someone who can score with enough defensive skills to stay out on the floor on a Mike Brown team.

The report I&#039;ve seen says Varejao wants 10 million a year. I am really, really happy we haven&#039;t given him a 5 year, $50 million contract, aren&#039;t you? I can&#039;t blame Ferry for being far, far away from that number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see&#8230;</p>
<p>First of all, Alan, it would have to be a package deal of some kind, totalling within a couple million of Marion&#8217;s salary. Even if there was no sign and trade (remember, we have two unsigned players we could use in a deal, too), the Cavs could send Gooden and a couple contracts that run out of the next couple years. Phoenix would be able to dump Marion, get a power forward they like and save a little money when a contract runs out. Think Gooden, Newble, Jones, &amp; Brown &#8211; they would probably renounce Newble immediately. The Suns save 1.5 million right off the bat this year, even more if it drops them below the luxury tax they are right on the edge of. I figure the Suns could get more, but honestly, teams get less in deals for stars than I think they should all the time &#8211; look at what if took to get Ray Allen, Allen Iverson, Zach Randolph, etc. The point is you can make the numbers work with contracts that benefit the Suns.</p>
<p>Second, 20 minutes a game is not &#8220;buried of the bench&#8221; to me. It&#8217;s almost half a game. And if you are saying he&#8217;s taking minutes away from Snow and Pavlovic, those are immediate backups off the bench &#8211; important minutes indeed. Just not starter&#8217;s minutes. But you&#8217;ve basically said depth is worthless, so I see how that&#8217;s insignificant to you.</p>
<p>It seems like Ferry decided if he couldn&#8217;t add a proven starting point guard, the team would go with Hughes or Gibson at point. Both had success last year. Brown strikes me as someone who can score with enough defensive skills to stay out on the floor on a Mike Brown team.</p>
<p>The report I&#8217;ve seen says Varejao wants 10 million a year. I am really, really happy we haven&#8217;t given him a 5 year, $50 million contract, aren&#8217;t you? I can&#8217;t blame Ferry for being far, far away from that number.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, technically I suppose Simmons will average more than five minutes a game ... I was also taking all of the forthcoming &quot;DNP - Coach&#039;s Decision&quot; games into account.

Hey, what&#039;s the deal with Notre Dame?  0-5?  Austin Carr must be spinning in his grave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, technically I suppose Simmons will average more than five minutes a game &#8230; I was also taking all of the forthcoming &#8220;DNP &#8211; Coach&#8217;s Decision&#8221; games into account.</p>
<p>Hey, what&#8217;s the deal with Notre Dame?  0-5?  Austin Carr must be spinning in his grave.</p>
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		<title>By: alan t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I type &quot;layoff revenue&quot; instead of &quot;playoff revenue?&quot;  Interesting Freudian slip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I type &#8220;layoff revenue&#8221; instead of &#8220;playoff revenue?&#8221;  Interesting Freudian slip.</p>
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