New takes on Bibby, Varejao
Posted July 13th, 2007 by Brian Windhorst
Las Vegas — So the Cavs and Kings are at it again with Mike Bibby. As one of the three writers who was swarming all over UNLV to break this story yesterday, I still am not quite sure why this deal broke down. It certainly looked like it was going to happen when both Damon Jones and Drew Gooden were in the gym with the Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof and their entire front office. Let me also pass this along, Danny Ferry really wanted the rights to Luis Scola from the Spurs. I mean really, really, really wanted him. It would also make sense for the Spurs not to hand players to a division rival for nothing but money. Yet, no dice.
The only thing I can think is the Kings just still aren’t happy with the package being offered. The Cavs can offer Gooden and expiring contracts (Ira Newble, David Wesley) or they can offer Gooden and a shooter (Jones) or a combination of both. They are still trying to get a third team involved, just as they were for hours and hours back in February, to sweeten the package. With all this talk, my gut tells me this probably gets done at some point in the future. They aren’t going to give up now.
On the Anderson Varejao front, one league executive told me yesterday: “This is going to be one to watch.” He meant for entertainment value, in a sick, detatched way. Andy’s agent, Dan Fegan, is looking for the big score. I’m talking about something like $9-$10 million a year. I believe the Cavs are offering something much closer to $6 million a year. You don’t have to be a math major to know that is a wide gap. The Cavs will not pay it and, because Varejao is restricted and no teams who want Varejao have cap space left, they will not have to pay it. They do not have to do a sign-and-trade for it if they don’t feel like it, either. Here’s the thing, though, Fegan does not like to compromise. He may rather have Andy play out a one-year qualifying offer and become unrestricted next summer.
Now, this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. First off, because’s a second round pick, his qualifying offer is only $1.3 million. Sasha Pavlovic’s, for example, is around $4 million. That means Andy potentially would be leaving $5 million on the table just this season alone. This is a guy who has made just $2.6 million over the last three years combined. He may never make up that money. Second, next summer the free agent market is deeper and there are no teams that will have a bunch of money. So if he leaves the Cavs, it very likely would be just for the mid-level exception, which will be around $5.5 million next year. Does that make sense? No, but it does make a point, which is what Fegan might want to do.
Here’s something you need to keep in mind that no one is talking about. Andy really, really wants to play for Brazil in next month’s FIBA Americas Tournament. He loves playing for the national team and the Brazilians are fighting for one of the two spots in the Olympics next year. With the Americans and Argentines there, they need their best players. Andy can’t risk playing without a contract, remember he blew out his shoulder playing for the national team two years ago. I have not spoken to Andy since the season ended, so maybe his feelings have changed. But he’s always expressed to me how he wants to make the basketball team as popular as a the national soccer team, when the whole country shuts down to watch. That is probably unrealistic, but Andy always sounded passionate about it. Anyway, that means the contract has to get done in the next few weeks if he wants to play. We’ll see…
July 13th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
I hope the Cavs don’t bid against themselves on this one like the Magic did for Lewis. I know they don’t want an unhappy player but where exactly can he go for more than 5-6 a yr with Memphis off the table? Make the market offer for a role player with his skills and move on.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
I don’t like the sounds of Varejao as a starter. He’s got energy and can rebound, which makes him a perfect 6th man. He can’t score at all though, so how could he start at 4? Godden is nothing amazing but at least he can score.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
I don’t think you should ever trade a big man for little man. Good big men are hard to come by. Gooden averages nearly a double/double. That is hard to replace. With Gooden gone, the Cavs are in deep trouble, if one of their big men are injured. And last but not least, I don’t think that Bibby or any other guard is going to take over control of the ball in Coach Brown’s offense from “Point” forward LeBron.
July 13th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
Starting five, Z, lebron, Sasha, Hughes, Bibby. Boobie, Verejoa, Dwayne Jones and Brown off the bench, Enough said. Championship!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
larry hughes sucks… and the thought of lebron at the 4 makes me sick
July 13th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Well, were stuck with larry and with paying him 14 mil a year, he’s going to start. As for lebron playing the four, he can cover all fours and they would have a hell of time covering him and If you were a smart basketball fan you would know that lebron is much better on the post
July 13th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Is Mike Bibby that much of a playmaker? Yes he can score some points, but he doesn’t play any defense. How is he going to fit on a Mike Brown team if he’s getting beat on the Defensive end? And we don’t even have Varajeo yet but we’re going to give up Gooden? So basically, we’re splitting front court minutes between Z, Marshall, and Varajeo? LeBron is not a 4. I just don’t like the idea of Gooden for Bibby. Gooden is young, and if we ran some damn plays for him once in a while he could score 17 a game too. He’s the best rebounder on our team. We win games because of Defense and rebounding. Now we’re going to lose in both categories for an aging shooter who’s losing his legs fast and can’t keep guys in front of him. And this is going to severly limit Shannon Brown’s minutes - BAD IDEA.
July 13th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
“2006-07 outlook: Gooden signed a three-year deal for $23 million to stay with Cleveland, a fair valuation considering his production the past two seasons. He projects as the Cavs’ starting power forward this season, and Cleveland will hope that as the 25-year-old matures his mental focus will improve and allow the team to take full advantage of his otherwise impressive skills.
It’s easier to say this from a distance, but if his mistakes don’t go away, there’s a danger in the Cavs getting too bent out of shape about it. Power forwards who can score and rebound like this don’t grow on trees, and while Gooden’s lapses can be incredibly frustrating, in the grand scheme of things I’m not sure they cost the Cavs as much as they might think. The worst thing to do would be for Cleveland to throw up its hands and trade him for pennies on the dollar.”
Pennies on the dollar is Mike Bibby. I can’t even BELIEVE the Kings aren’t sure about this deal. Hopefully they don’t pull the trigger for our sake.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Tom, I couldn’t agree more.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Yeah, I’m not sure Bibby is the answer - at least not at the price of Drew. Bibby averaged 17 pts last year (about his career average) but only shot 40% (hello Larry Hughes part deux) and only 4.7 assists. Career averages of 16 pts, 6 assists and 44% aren’t a whole lot better. I’m not saying I wouldn’t be glad to have him or that getting the offense started through someone other than LeBron wouldn’t be great, but Drew is a big price to pay. Obviously you keep Andy if you let Drew go, but while Andy is a great backup big man and may one day be the replacement to Z, he sure doesn’t look ready to start to me.
July 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
quote: gocavs Says:
July 13th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
“Starting five, Z, lebron, Sasha, Hughes, Bibby. Boobie, Verejoa, Dwayne Jones and Brown off the bench, Enough said. Championship!!!”
-ILMAO!!!!!
July 13th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
In order to get an important piece, sometimes you have to give up one. I’m a Drew Gooden fan, but his inconsistentency at the 4 spot can cause us some problems down the line. I think a solid PG who can shooot and run the floor would help us out. Plus, Bibby has never been scared to take the big shot and hit the open shot. Plus If we can get rid of Damon Jones, its worth it to have him off the roster. Regardless if we kept Drew or not, we would still need to sign an atletic big man who can finish around the basket.
July 13th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
Bibby is an excellent playmaker. His assists have decreased over the last couple years as he became more of the focal point in Sacramento’s offense- and his scoring went up accordingly. He plays solid if unspectacular defense. He struggled with a wrist injury last year that effected his shooting - but check his career numbers, he has always shot for a decent percentage for someone that takes as many threes as he does. Comparing him to Hughes is completely unreasonable. Bibby’s career three point percentage (.371) is almost a hundred points higher than Larry’s(.291), and good enough to put him in the top hundred all time. Bibby almost shoots threes like Hughes shoots from the field (.413) (Bibby .441 for his career). And he is a very good rebounder for a point guard.
I like Drew Gooden, and I think he will continue to have a nice career, but let’s face it, he’s not a Hall of Fame player or even an All-Star. He’s a good shooter, and works the glass well, but he can be foul prone, sometimes gets confused on defense and doesn’t intimidate any one. He’s an above average power forward, maybe in the top fifteen but definitely not the top ten at his position in the NBA.
You don’t like to trade big for small, but there is absolutely no question that the Cavs get the more talented player. By any stretch, Bibby is a top ten point guard, even coming from an off year.
Someone mentioned Bibby’s age. When the season starts, he’ll be 29. Gooden will be 26.
As far as Shannon Brown losing minutes because of Bibby, that’s not really likely, because Brown simply can’t play point guard. The Cavs are in big, big trouble if he ends up there at all. He still plays out of control at times, but what really limits him is that his ball handling is very inconsistent and does not hold up under pressure. I like him very much as an explosive slasher/scorer/defender but watching him play point yesterday in the Summer League game against Memphis was brutal.
Let’s not get too carried away. If the deal is Gooden and Damon Jones for Bibby, the Cavs should do it in a heartbeat.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Chuck:
.470 .450 .443 .432 .404
That’s the sign of a guy that relies on a jumper losing his legs.
And no, he doesn’t play good defense at all. He’s going to be taking minutes away from Shannon Brown because Boobie is going to be getting plenty of minutes. You know Eric snow is going to come in off the bench for 5-10 minutes a night and Hughes is going to play. That leaves Shannon Brown out. He’s an explosive athlete who has good form on his jumper. If he can develop confidence and start knocking down jumpers he will be handful. I’ve watched him in the summer league too. He hasn’t looked bad. What I’ve noticed is that no one can stay in front of him when he gets his mind set on getting to the rim.
I guarantee if the deal goes through we will all regret it later. Gooden is going to be hitting his prime in the next 2 to 3 years. Bibby is already past his.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Right now Gooden has a higher Player Efficiency Ranking than Bibby.
I just don’t see Bibby having some sort of “comeback” year.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
I would actually argue that the occasional Gooden blunder isn’t nearly as costly as the one enormous one that Varejao had. Personally I am by no means a Bibby fan. He’s not really a distributor. He’s more like a shooting guard than a point guard and he just flat refuses to play defense. The only good thing I really can think of is that his contract is only 2 years long (okay, and he’s an okay shooter). He might help the team a little, but how much will not having Gooden on the floor to get the tough rebounds hurt? While Varejao is a good rebounder on the offensive boards. He’s not near Gooden’s defensive rebounding.
July 13th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
And Varejao is looking for a 9 million/yr contract. Are you kidding me? Just because Memphis was trying to make him feel good doesn’t mean that’s what he’s going to be able to get. I just haven’t seen many players play for the QO and then make more money the next year.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
TheOUTLAW… does this look like a player who “flat refuses to play defense” … ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ogtc-rnd8
July 13th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Also — Its not like the Frontcourt would just be Andy, Z, and Donyell …
It’s obvious Ferry wants another Big in the Rotation who is a solid rebounder and someone who can get Garbage points like gooden. Why do you think we are trying to get a Third team involved??? To make the deal better for both the cavs and sacramento.
Becuase right now — Gooden, Damon, and Ira equals the same amount as Bibbys contract.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
also one more thing to throw out…
TheOUTLAW .. you say andy isnt a good defensive rebounder?
his PER-48 is 8.8 defensive rebounds
Goodens is 9.0 defensive rebounds
not much of a diff…
July 13th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
If the original 3-way trade involved getting a young center back, that would have helped alleviate some of the loss of Gooden. And while Gooden is a better scorer than Varejao, Mike Brown doesn’t put Gooden in a position to score, only to rebound and play defense. If Varejao were to play starter’s minutes, I’d have to believe that he’d put up equal or better numbers on the boards than Gooden.
July 13th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
Well those couple games andy started for Z … andy was getting aruond 13 boards a game. He even got 16 boards one game only playing 35 minutes.
July 13th, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Is Bibby that much of a better option than Steve Francis? How come Miami is able to play in the Mo Williams sweepstakes, while the Cavs are not? Where on earth will Ferry get another big man at this point?
July 13th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
“Where on earth will Ferry get another big man at this point?”
Mikki Moore
Blatche
Mutombo
Mihm
Ely
Jamal Magloire
Udoka
Dale Davis
Joe Smith
July 13th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Bibby is Steve Francis with a designer label. Or at least a designer contract. With Francis pocketing all that buyout cash, he’d clearly take the midlevel exception. Or even less than that, depending upon how many teams want to bid for him. But really, why would Francis want to come to Cleveland? Or why would any quality free agent, for that matter? Ferry is only going to get a guy through a trade.
Where on earth will Ferry get another big man? Well, didn’t you read, Larry? Ferry was hot on the Luis Scola sweepstakes trail. Almost had him. *That* close. Not only is he supposedly 6′9″ tall, but his ABC sitcom was also very funny. I was really sorry to see it cancelled.
By the way, just a helpful suggestion for our blog host: In light of the fact you “broke the story” that Memphis had offered Varejao a big fat Rosie O’Donnell-sized deal, perhaps it may be a wee premature to toot your own horn about “breaking” another story so soon after “breaking” your last story. If you keep “breaking” stories like you “broke” the Varejao story, it won’t be long before you’ll be taking all the credit for “breaking” this story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1010000/images/_1013167_truman_corbis300.jpg
July 13th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Player efficiency rating? Who gives a crap. Another dopey stat for Chinese abacus lovers. Although, I did find it interesting that last season Bibby was rated 85th in the league, and that Gooden was there right behind him biting on his tail at 87th in the league. Ooh, a battle of efficient titans. Get ‘em while they’re hot, Ferry.
July 14th, 2007 at 12:38 am
Doc, please don’t ever apologize to the narcissistic Alan Tucker! At least your posts have humor and insight, while Tucker has pervaded this blog with nothing but cynicism and stupidity. I can’t wait for the Cavs to pull off an upset next year so that Alan can disappear into the void of his Piglet shower curtain only to return and act as if nothing happened later on. I wish we could trade Alan Tucker for anything, even a pop-up ad.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:02 am
Is the great Oscar Schmidt (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40280000/jpg/_40280267_schmidt270.jpg) still firing up threes for the Brazilian nationals? Maybe we need to look into his player efficiency rating. And how did “schmidt” become a brazilian surname? Was he some sort of exiled ex-nazi offspring?
July 14th, 2007 at 1:05 am
BRIAN IM GOING INSANE HERE.. THESE MIND GAMES ARE KILLIN ME AND I FEEL LIKE I DONT KNOW WHATS GOING ON!
DO YOU?
I DONT THINK YOU DO!
Sacramento JUST signed Mikki Moore to a Contract? WHAT THE HELL! Does Sacramento still want Drew or are they now gonna start asking for Sasha which is why Posey said today that Cleveland is one of his choices (meaning I think we offerd him a contract since he got it down to 4 teams –now three since N/O signed Mo Pete)
July 14th, 2007 at 1:33 am
Parker Posey is signing with the Cavs? Cool. You have to admire an actress that invests so much of her work in independent films. Maybe Ferry isn’t so dumb after all.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:54 am
Actually, I’ve always wondered that about Oscar Schmidt. Seriously. If anybody knows how a guy that played basketball in Brazil got the same name as an Auschwitz guard, please post the answer. It’s not like the guy playing for Denver is named “Nene Schultz.”
July 14th, 2007 at 2:52 am
JoeHoops, please come back!!
July 14th, 2007 at 3:05 am
Tom: there’s no denying Bibby had an off year shooting the ball - he played through a wrist injury all season. But his overall decline in shooting percentage the last few years is indicative of shooting more threes - more than double than he did earlier in his career. This is perfectly acceptable, since he shoots them at a high percentage. There isn’t any reason to think his legs are going - he’s been extremely durable through his entire career. And I stick by my assessment that he is an average defender.
It doesn’t look like Gooden would be involved in a trade now, since the Kings just signed Moore.
As far as Shannon Brown losing minutes, there is simply no reason to this this has an impact. Shannon Brown does not play point guard. He’s an aggressive scorer and a good defender, but he turns the ball over. Constantly. Tom, you said you’ve seen the Summer League games - have you seen him shoot 15-48 with 17 turnovers in three of the games? He was really awesome in the other. His entry passes leave a lot to be desired. My point is that it’s not like Mike Brown is going to let him learn on the job. Brown’s competition would be with Hughes and Pavlovic. Even without Bibby, Gibson and Snow would see all the minutes at the point (depending on injury, and even if one of those guys gets hurt, the Cavs are likely to put Hughes back at point - fans forget that they won 13 of 14 with him at point until the Detroit series, but I don’t think Mike Brown does). Shannon will probably see 15 minutes a game, if he’s lucky - unless the Cavs do not re-sign Pavlovic, or Sasha goes in a trade.
As far as Steve Francis goes, I think he would be an interesting option, because he would be cheap, but any criticisms I see of Bibby are an order of magnitude higher with Francis, who is older, coming off a couple of injury filled seasons, has had some attitude issues, and isn’t nearly as good a shooter. That being said, I’ve always been intrigued by him, but a lot of his explosiveness seems to be gone, and unlike Bibby, he always depended on his athleticism and having the ball. He probably needs to reinvent himself to extend his career. It doesn’t matter anyway, since neither the Cavs nor Francis seem to be interested in each other.
July 14th, 2007 at 5:57 am
Chuck - last year Sasha shot like 1-40 in the summer league, and he did just fine. I noticed Shannon Brown able to penetrate much better - which is what we need out of him.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:58 am
JoeHoops, you’re already back. Who are you kidding, kiddo?
July 14th, 2007 at 7:12 am
Kinda puts things into perspective as to how the rest of the NBA sees the Cavs roster. Varejao is considered to be less valuable than both Andreas Nocioni and Darko Milicic. And Gooden is considered to be less valuable than even MIKKI MOORE!!! Oy vey. Other than James, I wonder if there’s anybody on this roster that other teams don’t consider to be utter garbage. Doesn’t seem like it. Now I see why Ferry is so gonzo for Luis Castillo. Or Luis Tiant. Or whatever his name is.
July 14th, 2007 at 9:40 am
It wouldn’t be that the Kings think Mikki Moore is more valuable than Drew Gooden, it would be that the Kings thing that Mikki Moore and Bibby are more valuable than Gooden alone.
July 14th, 2007 at 9:43 am
I don’t think the bibby, gooden deal is a good one either. If anything james make plenty of money and should say I will take a pay cut for this team to get me some help. But we do help down in the low post. If Z, GOODEN, JAMES, S.BROWN, AND GIBSON the starting 5. I smell a champion ship but this time winning it. And L. Hughes off the bench along with A. Varejao. Cause this guys are good but I dont think they are starters.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:12 am
I think I’d rather have Mike Moore than AV.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Michael Moore would be good. He could uncover the front office farce that’s been going on again this summer, with all these planted rumors about the Cavs GM working the phones, contacting free agents and looking for trades.
Several league sources have reported that Ferry is actually hiding out in BW’s mom’s basement, playing video games and flying in orders from Del Taco. Come to think of it, maybe Michael Moore’s not the right guy.
July 14th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
The Cavs must follow the format of former NBA Champs and evaluate what it was they were lacking to hurdle the Spurs. Losing a NBA playoff series gives a clear-cut indication of team weakness. Consistant playoff teams in history (Bulls, Lakers, Pistons, Spurs) addressed specific match-ups that failed or were limited in losing a playoff series. The CAVS need only to look at what it is going to take to get past the SPURS in 08′. Sure, they’ve put together the right ingredients to move past the PISTONS and possibly the HEAT, but to go into the 08′ playoffs with the same roster with more youth and less veterans will equal SWEEP once again if we meet the SPURS. Tony Parker averaged 25 a game against us. He is lightning. He is confident. He is improving. The CAVS cannot stop him, nor can any other team in the NBA. The only solution is to match him. Our POINT GUARDS are not capable of averaging 20-plus PPG in a playoff series. BIBBY+BOOBIE will close the gap!
July 14th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
awesome. to think i was just laughing at all the other unedited misspelled postings. I’d still take Mikki Moore over AV, though not over Drew. Mikki & Bibby are clearly more valuable than Drew. Aside from the usual names - Drew, Larry, Snow, Ira Newble & Damon Jones’s contracts, I’d make Shannon Brown available as well, but I suspect no one outside of Cleveland thinks he’s worth anything in trade. Still unless we dont’ resign Sasha or we trade Larry, I don’t think Brown is going to get much PT regardless of whether we bring in another point guard or not.
July 14th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
I don’t get it…in these blog parts, Ferry and Steve Kerr were described as loving hombres, and Kerr would be bending over, perhaps literally as well as figuratively, for Ferry. Assuming all that to be true, can somebody please explain to me how Phoenix literally gave away James Jones and Rudy Fernandez to Portland? Jones ain’t great, but as bad as the Cavs roster is, he’d probably be one of their best bench players right off the bat. And Fernandez is a much taller and whiter Daniel Gibson. I can’t fathom there was absolutely no way to juggle a few numbers to allow Kerr to give those guys to Cleveland instead of Portland. Correct me if I’m wrong, but can’t a team even hang on to the rights of one of those Eurostiffs if he wants to go back to Europe? It’s like having an extra asset that doesn’t count against the cap, one that can eventually be pawned to one of those GM goofs that overvalues European guys. Precisely what has Ferry been doing with his time? Sorry, I don’t get it.
July 14th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Allow me to correct my words, there were those always mysterious “cash considerations” given to Phoenix. It’s not like Kerr just gave those guys away for a bar of chocolate. But the point is I don’t understand why Cleveland could not have done the same thing. How hard could it have been to juggle a few beans here, juggle a few beans there.
July 14th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Tom: my point was that Brown is still and extremely inconsistent shooter and that since he can’t play the point, will is likely to get very few minutes. He certainly isn’t going to get time ahead of Sasha and Hughes.
Bread: LeBron’s contract is not a problem - he has one of the few good current contracts on the team (along with Gibson, Gooden, Brown - I think that’s it) Your lineup has no one to distribute the ball, unless we are going to have ‘Bron bring it up again, which just lets teams focus even more on him. I like Daniel Gibson, and he can bring the ball up the floor satisfactorily, but he is a shooter & scorer, not a passer.
DC:Brown’s stock has risen over the last week. He has been one of the most explosive Summer League players. But you’re right, no one is going to give you much for someone so unproven.
July 14th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
I was wondering the same thing, Alan. It almost seems spiteful toward Ferry how the Spurs gave Scola away, and then the Kings sign Moore immediately after Ferry leaks the so-called Bibby trade to the press. Maybe old Boatshoes isn’t all that popular among the other GMs. Would you like someone who offered Snow, Hughes, Newble, Damon Jones, etc., etc., in a trade? It’s probably pretty insulting.
July 14th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
How popular can a guy be when he shows up to meetings with reeking sweaty boatshoe stained feet?
July 14th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
Larry:
I don’t think Ferry leaked anything with the Bibby trade this time around. He and Damon Jones were both spotted with the Kings staff.
July 14th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
In case anyone missed it, Rashard Lewis pretty much confirms what all the cynics on this blog have been saying: That Cleveland’s run to the Finals doesn’t necessariliy make the Cavs an appealing team to join and, in fact, actually motivates players to play elsewhere.
From espn.com:
“And Lewis said watching James lead the Cavs out of the East only further cemented his belief that the Magic could quickly ascend into contention, something he just didn’t think would be possible if he remained in Seattle.
“What’s different from us and Cleveland?” Lewis said. “I feel like we’re going to have a chance to maybe even get to the finals next season.”
July 15th, 2007 at 12:38 am
Dont Drink…
i can EASILY answer Lewis statement/question…. whats diff from them and cleveland?
LeBron James
July 15th, 2007 at 11:34 am
Alan Tucker, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing. The reason the Blazers got the draft pick is they had a trade exception (created earlier that night when they moved Zach Randolph) so they could take James Jones away from PHX for free. The Blazers handed over $3 million cash, took $3 million away in Jones and it saved having to pay the draft pick a million this year. Not to mention potental luxury tax savings of $3 million to to Suns. It was a $10 million deal. All the Cavs could offer was a $3 million check. For all your rippings and boatshoes nonsense, the Cavs are 100-64 since Ferry took over as GM and 4-2 in playoff series. No, there are not a perfect or championship team. But for crying out loud, come back down to earth where the rest of us live.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
What about gibson, hes okay in distributing and brown could be a great player in a few years, remember he was the 1st pick cavs should wait till next free agency which will have more choices cavs beet detroit 4-2 people they can live without bibby +got valuable expirence from finals we can beat anyone in the east whos in our way the magic!!? rashard lewis is as stupid as the magic(who ggave max contract to him) to sy they are same as cavs! LEBRON JAMES
July 15th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
Huh? Our schools have failed so badly.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
These things I know:
-I’d just be happy to replace the garbage on this roster (Amon Ones, Marshall, Wesley, Pollard- even though I’ll miss his antics) with some young talent, even if unproven.
-Dwayne Jones needs to see some time, preferably steal Marshall’s minutes. Guy’s a beast, and could replace Gooden someday.
-Gooden for 2001 Bibby would be a deal…too bad it’s 2007.
-I think you sign Andy and Sasha long term, WITHOUT being a cheap organization (see: Boozer, Carlos). 7-8 million a year for a young 7-footer with athleticism? sounds like a bargain. Let’s not forget that this is the same league in which turds like Theo Ratliff will make 11 million next season.
-Sasha looked lost against the best team in the NBA. Yup, time to give up on that guy. You people are ridiculous. He’s young, like the rest of this team, and despite that, he locked down Deshawn Stevenson, Vince Carter, and Rip Hamilton in the NBA PLAYOFFS.
-I’d trade Larry Hughes for a $20 gas card, 3 new basketballs, and a James Posey Fathead.
-Anyone think Juan Carlos Navarro, via Spain, would be the outside shooter we’ve been looking for? Hello, midlevel exception.
-Lebron James plays his own position on the floor, not a 3, not a 4… he plays the “Lebron” position - all 5 at once.
…Go Cavs
July 15th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
What is that, the new math? I thought they gave up that experiment back in the 70s.
With a little bean juggling, a little roster juggling, same deal for Cleveland, even if it took a few days longer to complete. It’s clear that the beat writer was wrong, that Ferry truly has few NBA “friends.” This is a business. You snooze, you lose.
And what crap…crediting Ferry for the Cavs’ record is like crediting the Atlantic Ocean for having water. Ferry just happened to be around while James was playing and the Seed Gods were watching. Who else other than family, close friends and the mentally retarded would pat this guy on the back for the job he has done?
Seriously, don’t post really stupid posts like that. Please. I thought my colitis was in remission. Not anymore.
July 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
We still need an allaround point guard(shooter,playmaker,defender) and theres nothing we can do aout it mike bibbys not the answer until those cap burning cotracts(Jones,Pollard,Wesley,Hughes) are over we cant really do anything that will make a big impact but ferrys doing all he can
July 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Don’t forget Marshall’s dead-weight contract. And Newble’s. Cavs lead the league in most-worthless bench players, and that’s a fact. Just look at the Spurs’ reserves vs. ours, if you want to wretch a bit. Thanks, Cavs talent-evaluators! You’ve done it again, and again, and again….
July 15th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Spurs are getting old. their championship team wont last much longer and they dont have any yong talent like cavs do(gibson,Brown,Lebron)
July 15th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
I’ll bet other general managers are just burning down the Q’s phone lines for a taste of that young and talented Gibson and Brown bonanza. Fiber optics weren’t made to handle that kind of communication overload.
July 15th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Hey Tucker, I hear there’s room on the Pistons bandwagon… I’m sure you’d fit right in with all the ingrates and low-lifes from Detroit. Get lost.
The nucleus of the King, Gibson, Brown, Gooden, Sasha, and Andy is REAL nice, and add a piece here and there, we’re golden. Just keep it together and dont waste draft picks, Danny. That’s all we ask.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
THE CAVS DONT NEED PAVS
July 15th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Fans fall in love with their own players. Let’s be serious, Gibson and Brown have no value to any other front office.
I remember Terry Pluto repeatedly comparing Varejao to Dennis Rodman. I mean Rodman the awesome rebounder with a mad mission, not Rodman the fabulously flamboyant transvestite. So you’d think a guy like this would be in heavy demand. And yet there Varejao is, for all intents and purposes, being mocked by every GM out there. And Gooden is getting so much respect, that a guy that’s now with his eight NBA team is considered to have more overall value than Gooden. A vagabond like Jason Kapono gets a full midlevel exception from a respected executive, while Pavlovic is at home eating borscht and reading Leon Trotsky’s autobiography. Doesn’t even have a phone in his house. Doesn’t need one.
The Cavs roster is like the ugly girl at the party. Nobody is hitting on her. Not even the drunk guys. I find this depressing.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Tucker why dont u go make your own goth blog and stop harrasing us
July 15th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
I cant think of a point guard I’d rather have going into next season than Daniel Gibson… excluding Tony Parker and Chris Paul. I’m not saying the Cavs are loaded or anything, but there are enough young, talented players to be the East Beast for a long time, assuming we keep all of them. I think you’re DE-valuing Gibson and Brown just as much as you say im overvaluing them. There are plenty of teams out there who would love to have either guy, but especially Gibson.
I’m not on here trying to be cute like Tucker here, but cmon, this ugly girl roster went to the FINALS. I know Lebron’s shoulders carry a tremendous load, but can we be serious for once? This roster is good… not great, but very good. The Bulls won titles with BJ Armstrong at point and Luc Longley at center.
PS- Rashard Lewis better put all that money where his big mouth is… or he’ll be the biggest max deal BUST since Allan Houston. The Cavs front office may miss from time to time, but 80+ million for Rashard Lewis is absolutely hilarious. It could be worse.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
The Cavs belonged in a finals series like Rosie O’Donnell belongs in a string bikini. The misadventures of Varejao, Gooden and Pavlovic only extends the humiliation. No respect. Fans, media, front office people. Everybody outside of Northeast Ohio is mocking the Cavs roster. It’s not a great time to be a Cavs fan. I mean, we have a guy running the show that was hot for something named Luis Scola, which until only recently I thought was a disease of the spine. Everywhere except in Northeast Ohio, the Cavs roster has an aura of a Rodney Dangerfield joke. “I tell ya, I was an ugly kid. When I played in the sandbox, the cat kept covering me up.”
July 15th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
tucker what don’t you find depressing, besides jackin’ it to your winnie the pooh posters? be careful though, you might get chronic proctitis to go with your colitis.
July 15th, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Tucker is sorta right about the Cavs roster. Outside of NE Ohio, we all heard the mocking during the NBA Finals. And I was in full agreement at the time. Let’s not re-write history now. We’ve got one superstar who barely shot 30%, plus a nice little guard who had a great game. Shannon? Who knows what we’ve got. Andy? He’s wild alright. Drew? When he’s got a clue, good; often absent. Z? He’s on the bench in the 4th, if not sooner. Sasha? Soooo inconsistent, shooting and finishing.
Ferry had best remember what we all said immediately after the series: The team needs MAJOR CHANGES, not just a minor tweak. “Minor” will not beat the Spurs, and probably won’t even get them back to the Finals.
Of course, Ferry and Paxton’s previous signings will no doubt prevent “major” upgrades. And if we have to wait til all those deadweight contracts expire first, oh boy….our window is shrinkkkking.
July 15th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
For those saying everyonoe outside of NE Ohio thinks “Everybody outside of Northeast Ohio is mocking the Cavs roster. It’s not a great time to be a Cavs fan,” that is far from the truth. I travel between Phoenix and Salt Lake City quite often and during the playoffs (finals included) coache and media were praising the job the Cavs are doing and that they are heading in the right direction.
Personally Allen, it seems that in your eyes “it is never a great time to be a Cavs fan.” For someone who posts a lot, how can you even call yourself a fan? I cannot remember the last time you had anything good to say about this team, without saying something condescending or negative. You rip the Cavs all season, they dominated the series against the Pistons and BAM, we do not hear from you for weeks.
IMO, you lose all credibility and it is hard for me to take anything you say seriously.
As for AV, I think the reason he is not drawing more interest is that his agent is asking for way more money then he is worth at this point. In a few years maybe but right now he is asking way too much.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:21 pm
“No Name,” my sincere apology for getting “tied up” with a person’s coma and death rather than dragging my fat butt and jotting a few online paragraphs until a few days after the conclusion of the Finals. I promise I will never do it again.
And I’m not sure where you were traveling in the desert, but I think you suffered heat stroke. That’s the only rational explanation for you to deny that the rest of the country has been bitchslapping the Cleveland Cavaliers.
I mean, never mind the rest of the country brutalizing the Cavs, if memory serves, even Bill Livingston wrote that they were the worst team to make it to the Finals. Ever. When even a sports guy from the normally mild and meek pom-pom driven Cleveland media is writing something this, well, it’s not good.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
You got me curious, No Name, so I looked up that Livingston column. Actually, what he wrote is they’re the least-talented team since the merger, not in history. So going back to 1976. He’s old enough that he really should have gone back much farther than the merger, but I suppose it doesn’t matter. The point is that in the absence of LeBron James, they’re a national joke. Akron Beacon Journal rumors of Ferry sending the FTD Florist into the homes of guys named Luis and Beno don’t help.
July 15th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
What state do YOU live in? The “mild and meek” Cleveland media? Are you illiterate or naive? Cleveland’s media has ruined and chased away more athletes, coaches, and GM’s than most of us thought POSSIBLE. Tell me you’re kidding.
The fact that you cite Bill Livingston for anything is very telling. The guy is abysmal. Bud Shaw, Livingston, and the rest of the crap-spewing media in this city are irrelevant. You really care what the media and the rest of the country thinks of Cleveland? Apparently you havent been a fan very long, if you are one at all. EVERYONE hates Cleveland, and Ohio in general. Ohio State gets dissed, the Browns/Cavs/Indians get dissed… and the local media is mostly to blame. They feed the beast, bad-mouthing everyone and everything associated with Cleveland, until the fans finally cave and start booing. This state has no pride, and morons like Tucker here are ESPN-washed and just repeat everything they hear. Thankfully there are real fans who believe in Cleveland and the teams they cheer for, and eventually those fans are gonna get what they deserve: a champion.
That’s why it’s gonna be SO SWEET when Lebron cashes one in for this city, and that day is coming soon, whether you want to admit it or not. The Drive, the Fumble, the Shot, Jose Mesa… all erased forever. Keep on hatin, but our time is now.
Truth is, “Allen”, YOU are the ugly chick at the Windhorst party. You arent funny, you arent entertaining, and quite frankly, no one who reads these comments wants to hear any more of your junk. Be gone.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:09 am
Allen,
My appologies and condolensces for your loss. Losing a loved one is never a good time. However, it does not take away the fact that it was rather “odd” timing and when you came back, not one word of praise about the Pistons, you went right back to bashing them.
Again, are you even a fan of the Cavs? Sure the Cavs got embarrased in the finals, but is by not means a bad time to be a Cavs fan. I for one, being a former resident of NE Ohio, loved every second of it. The people in both Phoenix and SLC, were jealous. Sure part of it was us being in the East, but they also realize the potential. If you would get out of your mothers basement once in a while you might see that.
Traveling across the country I get to here a lot of local sports reporters and frankly, most of them (including those in CLE) are homers to the core. However, I truly find it amazing that you say everyone is “bitchslapping the Cavs.”
Again, keep posting your nonesense, it is rather commical and I certainly enjoy it after a long day at work, but IMO you have a long way to go to earn credibility and respect in my eyes (and possibly others as well).
July 16th, 2007 at 12:28 am
Josh, anybody, such as yourself, who says that Cleveland’s sports media isn’t mild and meek has never traveled or read anything beyond the bounds of Parma. The media itself says the Cleveland media is mild and meek. Honestly, I’d be surprised if you’ve ever read anything national that didn’t have the word “Geographic” next to it.
This isn’t about Bill Livingston. If you don’t believe me, then simply Google the words “Cleveland” “Cavs” “Cavaliers” and “worst.”
July 16th, 2007 at 12:35 am
I neglected to write that you can also include variations of these words, add a few, leave some out. But make sure you always include the word “worst.” The search engine results ain’t pretty.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:34 am
I’d have to say the NE Ohio media comes alive when they sense an opportunity to pile on–Shawn Kemp is the best example, though the Braylon Edwards stuff last season was pretty ugly, too. This seems to happen only when the team itself is upset at the player.
When it comes to criticizing the organization, however, or God forbid a team’s general manager, they’re a bunch of poodles.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Been gone all weekend and come back to read this comedy hour over lunch today…
This tucker guy is a joke - anybody else get the feeling that if the Cavs had gotten James Jones and Rudy Fernandez from Phoenix, he’d be criticizing the move to no end? But because they go elsewhere probably due to salary cap issues that he can’t possibly understand, he has to continue to criticize anything and everything Cavs related. I mean come on dude, you seriously want us to believe that if the Cavs had swung some inconsequential deal for those 2, you’d start posting how the Cavs had taken the right step forward?? No way, you’d continue to bash and criticize.
Oh, and the kicker, one line from one article of a Bill Livingston story and he has to put it out there praising it. Again, show of hands, if Bill Livingston was hosting this blog, how many think he’d be the first one to insult and ridicule him over and over again.
You are a joke. Why do you even come here NON-STOP mind you and post your dribble? Are you looking for approval and for folks to agree with you to prove you are the best? Do you want Windhorst’s job and so you have to attack everything he says and does to attain it? Just leave and do everyone, including yourself, a favor. Get to know your relatives, your family a bit better so the next time the Cavs have a good run thru the playoffs, you can state that you were spending quality time with loved ones instead of some blurb about someone in a coma.
July 16th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Blah blah blah Cavs are great.
Blah blah blah get out of your mommy’s basement Allen (sic) Tucker.
Blah blah blah Lebron is the bestest player ever.
Blah blah blah the Cavs will win the Finals.
Blah blah blah Cleveland media is ruining the city.
July 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Seriously, the cavs can easily get to the finals. Lebrons only problem was his ft percentage and shooting witch in an interview he said he’s trying to improve it this offseason, gibson and brown were rookies and gibson is now a valuable player.gooden has grfeat potential if spmeone drew some plays, mike brown is looking for an assistant, z’s an okay center, we could use varejao’s enrgy, pavlovic we dont really need, hughes im not even talking about. dosent look like an ulgy roster to me!not with NBA’s golden boy!
July 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Nice job Alan - is this the kind of rambling we can expect from you from now on? Because really, it is a big improvement over the other type of jibberish you usually post.
July 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
Um, everyone, the Cavs don’t have any cap room. They don’t have any appropriately-priced players. They don’t have any good expiring contracts. They can’t even trade their 2007 first-round pick.
Like it or not, the best chance the Cavaliers have to get better is for the young players currently on the roster to improve. Andy is 24, still two years away from even entering his prime. Sasha is 23. These guys are NBA veterans, but they still young and have tremendous upside. Dennis Rodman didn’t even play an NBA game until he was 25 years old, and didn’t become the legendary rebounding machine until he was 30. Andy and Sasha can get much better in the next few years, and the Cavs are in a great position to benefit from that.
If anything, the Cavs need to address the ineptitude of their offense before they address the makeup of the roster. No one can accurately evaluate the players on this Cavs team after last year, because the offensive system made everyone look bad. The market for average NBA free agents is down right now, and the Cavs can take advantage and lock up two of their young, contributing veterans as a result. Now all they have to do is avoid adding a declining Mike Bibby, and they’re set.
Go Cavs.
Mike
July 16th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Very well said Mike.
And Mr. Idiot, aka Alan, no one (at least no one who isn’t already wearing rose colored glasses) is saying they will get as far as they did this past year and win a championship next year but the doom and gloom you spew on an hourly basis is past its expiration date. Anything the Cavs or Windhorst do is bad and anything they don’t do is worse. Nothing pleases you and even if they happen to get Kobe, KG, Duncan and Nash this off season, Phil Jackson to coach them, and Mitch Albom to become the new beat writer, you would still be the type of guy to bitch and complain. LET IT GO ALREADY. Crawl back into your hole (or momma’s basement if that makes it more real) and find something else to bitch about somewhere else.
There’s a lot of issues on this team, a lot of it brought upon by the GM and the bad contracts and the offensive ineptitude. Acknowledged, now move on. Despite that, they made it to the finals, albeit in a weaker conference. It happened, nothing you say will change that. A great accomplishment for a young team. Let’s see if they can mature and grow together as the moves that can be made this offseason are not going to be all that.
July 16th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m not sure I’d be all that happy with Albom. He’s too sensitive.
July 16th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
Christ on a stick, Tucker. You certainly seem to have gotten under some people’s skin this time around. Just to prove you’re an actual fan of the team, perhaps you SHOULD say something positive about the Cavaliers.
It can be anything Cavs-related, as long as it’s complimentary. Here are some possible topics that you can easily find something positive to comment on:
1. The Cavaliers were in the Finals for once.
2. Lebron James’ compelling 48-point performance against Detroit.
3. Mike Brown’s compelling performance as the villainous Albert Diggs in “Bird on a Wire.”
4. Mike Bibby hasn’t been added to the roster (yet).
5. David Wesley didn’t kill anybody on the team this year.
July 16th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Mitch Albom is a dog. With Albom and Reverend Pluto on staff, the ABJ would achieve holy book status by next january.
At least our local savior hasn’t been wasting his summer on extraneous non-basketball projects, instead devoting his time to things like “free throw shooting” and “discovering a consistent shooting form.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAFRk4_bmC8
July 16th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
It’s being tossed around, but probably not by Ferry and Mchale, unfortunately:
Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Sasha Pavlovic, Donyell Marshall /or Damon Jones, and a 2008 first rounder for KEVIN GARNETT and an expiring contract (not sure who).
GOD I hope so…
July 17th, 2007 at 12:29 am
Wow, looks like the moronic alan tucker has made more enemies than ever. That’s good, and to be expected after all he’s said and done. Perpetual criticism of a team, followed by a self-imposed exile during the curiously timed coma, (or was it vegetative state, or was it just a long nap) of a friend/relative/winnie the pooh ain’t gonna earn you much love. As it was, your idiotic potshots had only garnered the affection of one troglodyte Billy, Tucker. With your most recent stunt you showed what a complete jackass you are. No one here (besides your loyalists Billy, Doc, and TPH) will ever give one ounce of credibility to your inane ramblings any longer Tuck. I suggest you tend to your comatose friend and stop posting for good.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:38 am
Hi, JoeHoops. What’s shakin’.
doc, with respect to Albom, I actually think it would be absolutely terrific to have Albom and Pluto squaring off against each other. Albom is a Jewish guy with a toupee. Pluto is a bald Christian guy. It would be even better than Siskel and Ebert. I’d read it, I’d listen to it, I’d watch it.
July 17th, 2007 at 4:11 am
this guys the best, numbr 1. quit callin pluto revrend to.
http://www.foronemoreday.com/
July 17th, 2007 at 5:13 am
A few comments:
The media are always prone to hyperbole and bandwagons. It became the trendy thing to bag on the Cavs as the worst finals team ever, and every sportswriter seemed to try to out do the other when it came to exaggerating this. It doesn’t mean the it’s true. How about the ‘81 Rockets. They managed to win two games in the finals, but they finished below .500 in the regular season. People bag on the Cavs road to the finals, but the Rockets got there by beating the Lakers in one of those old three game series, beating a good SPurs team in 7, and then beating the Kings in the conference finals. The Kings were also below .500 in the regular season.
As far as the Cavs not belonging in the finals what could they do? They were the number two seed in the conference, and they beat the number one seed in the conference finals. Would people have said Detroit didn’t belong in the Finals if they had beaten the Cavs? I doubt it. What if Utah had beaten the Spurs, after getting off the hook and not having to play the Mavs, but the over-achieving Warriors?
Outside of Cleveland, people were blown away by the Cavs beating the Pistons. It’s not just a northeast Ohio thing. But the Cavs were underdogs against the Spurs, and rightfully so. San Antonio was a better team. The media smelled blood, and they love to senseationalize even more than they like to be right about something.
July 17th, 2007 at 7:59 am
Keep posting, Chuck. You make a lot of sense.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Chuck, that’s an incredibly poor comparison. A large part of the problem is how the Cavs got there. They’re ripe for a schoolyard beating from anybody in the national media that wants to give it. The Rockets were like Cinderella incredibly beating the odds. Like the 1983 North Carolina State team. The Cavs, on the other hand, preceded the Pistons series by “mowing down” two purported professional rosters that Oden’s Ohio State team just might have torched.
The Eastern Conference is a titantic joke. It’s not even in the same universe as the West. Everybody said it. Then the Cavs went out and proved it. Not only did they prove they were the best of the worst, but they proved they’re a one-man band. As prestige goes, they would have been better off losing to the Pistons, because the 2006-07 Cavs roster is going to carry the national media stink of last season for decades to come.
Here’s a fun little game to play - - Pretend you’re at the Y playing pickup with the Cavs roster. Then take all of the individual West’s playoff rosters, with the exception of maybe the Lakers. Hell, let’s start with the Nuggets, for example, a team that lost in the first round and were seeded what, sixth? Fifth? Seventh? Can’t remember. Anyway, whatever they were seeded, let’s use the Nuggets as an example. You and I will be team captains…
O.K., it’s a given that James will be picked first. Then pick the next four players, who would you pick next? Anybody in their right mind would pick Anthony, then Iverson, then Camby, then that Nene dude. And this is a team that lost in the West’s first round! Yet the Cavs made it to the FINALS! I mean, the present disparity of the NBA’s level of competition is unbelievable. It’s like comparing the major league to AAA. Simply admit this, and then the group of ridiculously blind, deaf and dumb diehard Cavs fans (including some in the local media) wouldn’t be a fish in a barrel target like the team and the team’s general manager have been.
Then, to top things off, after that incredibly horrific performance which by far was the worst offensive Finals performance of any team in NBA history, during the off-season our own free agents aren’t getting offers from any other team. I mean, how hugely insulting is that? A guy the Beacon Journal’s columnist declared to be Dennis Rodman, and a guy the Beacon Journal’s beat writer declared to be the NBA’s Most Improved Player. Nobody else wants them. No respect. At least Rodney Dangerfield was funny and could tug on his red tie.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Attention NBA! Attention NBA Fans!! Attention NBA Executives and coaaches!!!
The Eastern Conference has decided to stay home and not play a regular season in 2007-2008. One source has been quoted as saying “The great Alan Tucker showed us the error of our ways…he spoke in words that truly resonated with us and showed us we were doing nothing postitive for the people of the world other than making a mockery of ourselves…You have my word that the Eastern Conference and their teams will not make an appearance in any professional NBA game until the great Alan Tucker allows us to come back.”
Well, gosh darn, there ya have it…Alan does it again! Good boy!!
July 17th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Ingenius rebuttal argument, “Rick.”
July 17th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
Where is Matt Barnes’s name? Why is he not being discussed? We could get him for a fraction of the cost of Bibby and he is a better player. What is wrong with Ferry?
Please view this post from WoW, particularly the last bit: http://dberri.wordpress.com/2007/07/16/not-monta-ellis/
July 17th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Unfortunately the Cavaliers are finished. No one wants our garbage
in a trade or free agency. Oden and Durant will change the league
dramatically and the Bucks Bulls Raptors and Pistons all got better.
Welcome to the Mistake on the Lake. I heard the smell at the Stadium
was ripe on Saturday. More good press.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Matt Barnes? He’s not a point guard.
Why not use what they’ve already got? Hughes isn’t a point guard, Gibson isn’t a point guard, Snow isn’t…well, anything. So why not give the job to James, and try to upgrade the other positions? This is about the only strategy they haven’t tried, so why not give it a whirl? Jordan spouted off during stretches when Collins and Jackson told him to be the point guard, but who cares what James thinks? He’s on the hook for three more seasons whether he likes it or not. If he can dance like Bobby Brown, then he can dance like Mike Bibby.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Ah “Alan”…a rebuttal indicates I was refuting or denying what you are trying to say. Denying gibberish is a pointless cause now isn’t it? I think I was merely agreeing with you because that is what you are after, correct? You are seeking validation, some sort of approval from us (the ones who merely come here for offseason information) to make up for some glaring omission in your own life? I was trying to provide that to you. Sadly, it appears I have failed in that. Apparently, a lot of people have failed you somewhere along the way.
You have made your point…the Cavs suck, the Eastern conference sucks, Lebron sucks, Ferry sucks, life sucks. Oh wait, maybe that’s taking it a bit far, for now. Great…how many different ways can you say the same thing over and over and over again? Now move along….isn’t there a New York Knicks board you can go pester for a while? Or better yet…how bout a sport that’s IN-SEASON, I think the KC Royals might need a champion to their cause and you fit the bill. Lookie there - kill 2 birds with one stone…or rather, maybe get lucky and just put one into a coma for the time being.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Online stalkers are always entertaining. It’s like having my own personal Son of Sam or Capricorn Killer. Kind of scary, but at the same time, weirdly complementary. So I’ll save you the time, pal: I’m a Gemini.
July 17th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Whoops. I know how obsessive-compulsive you guys are, so I misspelled a word up there. Is it driving you bats?
July 17th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
The CAVS suck
Tucker Sucks
Ferry Sucks
Billy sucks
Joe Hoops sucks
The reason the Bibby trade didn,t happen is the Kings didn,t want
faggot Damona. He is why we dont have Bibby. Him and Marshall
for 2 more years. GOD HELP US>
July 17th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Odd, jmoe…I’ve never personally attacked you in the comments section of this blog, and yet you see fit to lower yourself to Joe Taint’s level. Uh, I mean Rick’s level. Or whatever screen name he’s using this hour.
July 17th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Nope…still Rick. Thanks for noticing but I’m not trying to draw attention to myself. But good to know that without a current coma crisis in your life, you are more than able to check up on these boards once an hour to verify if my screen name has changed. By the way, the quotes around my name earlier was a nice touch - I would never have been able to guess what you were implying with the quotes. But now that you’ve directly come out and accused me of being someone else, I can put 2 and 2 together and figure out your childish meaning of the quotes. I r teh smart.
July 17th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
Hey everyone look at me! I’m posting again to make you aware I still exist. I didn’t mean the grammer/spelling/whatever mistake in my last post so I’m posting again just to say don’t get obsessed over one grammatical error. Look at me! I’m Alan Tucker!! Hey guys…its me again!!! Don’t mock me for my spelling mistakes….please like me anyways! Accept me for being Alan!! Hey, look at me - its Alan again! Hey hey hey!! It’s me - you do like me don’t you? Its Alan, I like the attention!! Look at me!!!
July 17th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Like I said, dude. Gemini.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Ah, right on time…like clockwork - see ya at 4pm Alan!
And please…explain the gemini thing to me…how does that relate to how bad the Eastern Conference is? Or how bad the Cavs are? Or how bad it is not to be in a coma? Or whatever sucks in your life today? I’m not as smart as you so by explaining, you get the attention you crave and perhaps convert one more to your pathetic whiny cause.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Wow. I thought they apprehended the guy that tried to kidnap Letterman’s kid.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Nice one - that the best you can come up with now? You’re slipping big time…you’ll really have to make up for it on the next post. These snappy one liners just aren’t cutting it, especially not from the great Alan Tucker!
By the way, I changed my screen name - its more catchy and works to your attention seeking ways. Win win. Feel free to criticize the Cavs for this one too.
July 17th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
hey alan you have met your match. what are you going to do next.?…….by the way fellas this is a sports blog, take your lovers spat to a online chat room.
July 17th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Allan the natives are getting restless, dude, you better run and hide, because your ass is grass.
July 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Aw man, the anticipation, the suspense, the drama….He must have a good one cooking to let this past hour go by w/o a single post. I just know he will come thru for us! He has to, doesn’t he? I mean, well, he’s Alan Tucker dammit. And if he fails on his mission of complete and utter negativity, what hope is there for the rest of us?
This next one is gonna be good…just do it Alan.
July 17th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
If Damon Jones is the reason we didnt get Mike Bibby, a shorter, weaker version of Larry Hughes, we should all go down to the local skin bar and thank him. This team needs Mike Bibby like a fish needs a bike.
At this point, I feel bad for both of you. Honestly, this is pathetic. Two grown men (I’m assuming) going back and forth and getting your panties in a bunch… and for what?
Tucker, being a gemini is not a valid excuse for dropping thousands of messages on internet chat boards each day. Go outside and get some fresh air. And seriously, “I’m a gemini”? What are you, a 13 yr old Cosmopolitan-reading girl?
As far as the playoffs go, while the East was weak and we got a good draw, New Jersey has 3 players who are All-Star caliber or close, and Detroit is always a threat… and CLEVELAND BEAT THEM, bottom line. I didnt hear anyone bashing the Heat’s path to the finals. Wonder why that is? Is everyone afraid of Shaq? Does the media have a giant crush on Wade? Or does the media have it out for Cleveland? I think we all know the answer. Let the media hate… all the way to a title.
July 17th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
Sup Lebron, how you doin bro? That ESPY show was slick. You da man.
July 17th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Josh you are a fricking moron and Alan is king. Dude do you honestly
think the Cavs could beat any of the following 5 West teams in a 7
gamer.
1)San Antonio-ALREADY ANSWERED
2)Phoenix-they would beat us by 20 at AM WEST
3) Dallas-they would beat us in 5 regardless of what the Warriors did
to them
4) Utah-LOOZERS REDEMPTION
5) Denver-AI and Mello gang up on MC Whammer I mean LBJ
The only threat Detroit poses is to the Geritol title. And New Jerseys
new team name is the GUNS.
July 17th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
How many titles do the Suns, Mavs, Jazz, and Nuggets have b/t them. Zippo. The Spurs are the only team that should concern the Cavs. Come on, could the Nuggets beat the Pistons in seven? Give credit where credit is due. There were only two Conference Champs last year. Go Cavs.
July 17th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
Hey Tuck
Let these guys off the hook already or get your own website.
July 17th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
alan ran and hid because he realize his ass was grass and that he was going to be smoked.
July 17th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
The thing I love is how Alan simply refuses to acknowledge the fact that the Cavs beat the Pistons. All he can talk about is how the two teams they beat before that were “crap” or “jv” or whatever. The fact remains, Tucker: the CAVS beat the PISTONS. Say what you want about the nets and wizards, and no one is arguing with you that those two teams sucked. But they beat the Pistons, and no one was putting down the Pistons’ roster. But I realize, to acknowledge that would be like acknowledging how bald, fat, and pathetic you really are. And hey, in three years you can start up with your “LeBron is leaving for Brooklyn” rhetoric again. Gives you hope doesn’t it? Almost enough hope to wake up from a coma.
July 18th, 2007 at 12:12 am
DAMN TUCKER, YOU CANNOT BUY A BREAK, DUDE GET YOUR HEAD FROM BETWEEN YOUR LEGS AND COME OUT AND FIGHT LIKE A MAN…… ONLY IN CLEVELAND CAN A FAT DRUNK CONVICTED GAMBLER GET A TALK SHOW.IE BRUCE DRENNEN
July 18th, 2007 at 7:29 am
Jmoe,
“….faggot Damona….”?
I don’t care for him, either, but is was that necessary?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
KEEP THE FIVE WE HAVE WE MADE IT THIS YEAR WE WILL WIN IT ALL NEXT YEAR JUST WATCH LEBRON AND BOOBIE
July 25th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CAVSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
September 8th, 2007 at 10:12 pm
LEBRON MAYBE A GOOD BASKETBALL PLAYER…..BUT HE IS NOT I REPEAT IS NOT A VERY GOOD PERSON……JUST ASK MY 13 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER…WHO CRIED AFTER MEETING LEBRON…….NO NOT TEARS OF JOY…. OR EXCITEMENT…….BUT HURT FEELINGS……BECAUSE LEBRON WAS SO RUDE TO HER…AND ALL SHE DID WAS WALK UP TO HIM AND SAY CONGRADS ON WINNING THE EASTERN CONF…AND ASKED FOR HIS AUTOGRAPH…AND GET THIS… NO MATTER WHO I HAVE TOLD THIS STORY….ABOUT HOW RUDE LEBRON WAS TO MY 13 YR OLD DAUGHTER….THE ONES WHO HAVE HAD AN ENCOUNTER WITH HIM HAVE A VERY SIMULAR STORY…JUST THINK,HE LIVED AROUND THE CORNER FROM US JUST A FEW YEARS BACK…BUT HE ACTS AS IF HE WAS BORN INTO BLUE BLOOD….YEAH RIGHT!!! ALL I CAN SAY LEBRON IS…… “BREAK A LEG”…BIG GUY…..
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