doc raises the el stinko Ferry trade that devastated the franchise, I happen to mention it incredibly was even more el stinko than he pointed out, and then you suddenly start brewing the statistics stew over Loy Vaught and God knows what else. I’m no expert in statisticholism, but it may be time for an intervention and a 12-step program.

We’re having this conversation because you raved about Vaught, and because you have been much less complimentary about Gooden and Varejao.

I just find it ironic that you wish we had a player like Vaught when in fact we have two.

Vaught was on the verge of being one of the best power forwards in the league, but then his career was ruined when his lower back exploded and disintegrated, leaving just a stain like a Spinal Tap drummer…uh, remind me again why we’re having this discussion???

I’m not looking to get into a border war with you on this, but if toughness is all we need — heck — let’s just start Pollard.

For the record, Vaught garnered no regular or postseason accolades (All-Rookie, All League, All Defense, All Star Game), his play didn’t contribute to winning teams either in the regular season (38% win percentage, two winning seasons) or in the postseason (lost all 5 series; 6-15 record, even when higher seeded twice), and his “muscle” stats are comparable to Varejao and Gooden.

Yet Vaught is excellent, and the other two couldn’t hold a candle to him. On what possible basis?

gibby can shoot, defend AND penetrate. i have to laugh at all the selective memories here. don’t remember gibby’s drive and dunk early in the year? the drive on shaq with the “and one?” the floaters in the lane against SA and DET.? he CAN drive and he will drive AND dish more next year, i assure you! now that the team and coaching staff has confidence in him, they will allow him to be the PG. not snow’s back-up or hughes’ back-up, etc., but the STARTING PG of the cavs.

and boy, for people like tucker who LOVE to dismiss players stats when it suits their silly arguments to then turn around and use gibby’s lack of assist totals to cast aspersions on gibby’s PG credentials in beyond laughable. newsflash! since gibby plays with LBJ, who will avg. over 7 assists next year, if we only get 3 dimes a game from him, that is *more* than enough to play winning basketball.

we need, as larry d. says, a reliable low-post scorer off the bench FAR more than we need worry about the PG position. quit giving credence to what what you read both locally and nationally about the cavs needing a PG, and just watch with your own eyes. you’ll be surprised what you might see…

Crazy i know … but it is still free to dream right???

Kobe wants out … and from your posts Lebron is basically doomed in Cleveland anyway … peace

Of course Gibson’s a little inconsistent as a rookie. I don’t know if he’ll be an all star or anything like that, but from where I sit, the need for a point guard is no greater than the need for a center, a power forward and a big scoring guard.

and glad to hear the “health” issue is cleared up. sure is curious it happened as the cavs were winning and ended when the cavs were losing. but, i’m sure we’re just be *cynical*, right? and god knows, if it’s one thing you hate ( and for that matter, *never* practice ), it is cynicism.

I agree with you on Gibson. I was impressed in the playoffs at his ability to penetrate off the dribble, and he’s the quickest player on the Cavs. I love his future. But I’m pretty sure he isn’t a pure point. Yet, anyway.

He has a role on this team, and I’d bet it will involve a pretty big jump in minutes and production next year.