The offseason begins
Posted June 18th, 2007 by bwindhorst
For the last several weeks I have been collecting information on the Cavs’ thought process and options for this summer. Of course, it is poor form to be writing about the offseason while in a playoff run. So I horded it all, piled it together and dumped most of it into this story, which has a bevy of information (despite what the headline implies). If you can’t bear to go to the link, let me sum it up for you very quickly:
–Based on my read of the winds at the Q, the Cavs won’t be going to the wall to keep Anderson Varejao. The buzzword these days is flexibility, I think the Cavs would rather let him walk than pay him crazy money (like, say, $8-$10 a year as has been predicted by some). But it is going to be hard to determine what he’s worth because there aren’t comparable players. That said they would prefer to sign him. Read the story for a complete understanding.
–Dan Gilbert has cleared Danny Ferry to go into the luxury tax. By the way, this is no small feat. Just ask some other GMs.
–Carlos Delfino switching teams impacts Sasha Pavlovic.
–The Mike Bibby deal is probably dead. The Kings wanted most of the Cavs’ expiring contracts. Now, they can’t really make the same deal. Never say never, but do yourself a favor and don’t harp on it.
–The Cavs are interested in Theo Papaloukas. Who, you say? This guy. The team loves his grittiness. Problem is, he can’t shoot and the Cavs don’t need more guards who can’t shoot and they know this. Small chance of him being signed.
–Sarunas Jasikevicius would love another shot to play for the Cavs, not sure if the feeling is mutual.
–Earl Boykins is a shoot-first player and a poor defender. I respect the hell out of the guy, but I’d be shocked if the Cavs sign him. However, I have different thoughts and sources on Steve Blake.
–Do you know the Cavs could trade Damon Jones, Ira Newble and David Wesley for up to an $11.1 million player while the other team would only be responsible for around $4.6 million in actual dollars next season. Dude, read the story. Those guys are assets, trust me. UPDATE: I’ve gotten some e-mails because some people aren’t understanding this (which is why you should read the story). The Cavs can and will kick in as much as $3 million in any deal. Wesley, Jones and Newble combined cap numbers are about about $9.4 million next season (add the 20 percent rule in trade and you get a little over $11 million in return value potential). Reduce the Wesley buyout plus the payment and hard cash due to cover the Cavs players is close to $4.6-$4.8 million depending on some things. Now, here’s where I should point out that the Phoenix Suns love Drew Gooden, they spent all last summer trying to get him. Plus they really want to kill payroll and have been floating Shawn Marion’s name. That’s not a rumor, OK, that’s just me thinking out loud. By the way, new Suns GM Steve Kerr and Danny Ferry are tight.
Now, here’s some other things I need to say heading into this summer:
–The correction of the offense starts with LeBron James. The reason his jump shot was terrible in the Finals was because he lost confidence in it. He lost confidence in it because he can’t trust it. He can’t trust it because he’s not fundamentally sound with it. He’s not fundamentally sound because he’s always changing his form. Remember those five days or so when he was hopping one inch on his 3-pointers a la Ira Newble? Same with free throws, he changed his form, what, three or four times this season. Want to hear something shocking? His highest free-throw percentage of the last eight years was when he was a freshman in high school. He needs to get a correct form and then be consistent with it. He knows this. Whether he does it with a personal coach or whatever, it needs to be done.
Second, it doesn’t matter whether LeBron has Jason Kidd playing next to him, if he’s going to dribble the air out of the ball he is going to be easy to defend. Sometimes the offense stops working because he stops it. I have had a few NBA players (not on the Cavs…don’t get me in trouble) tell me they think LeBron is a selfish player at times. I don’t believe that, I think he wants to be the ultimate team player but he needs to refine some tendencies. Perhaps he needs some better teaching of how. But here’s the thing I know about him, he’s only going to change something when he’s good and ready.
Third, he’s got to trust his post game more. He’s not comfortable down there and so he rarely posts low. It isn’t Mike Brown who tells him to post 22 feet from the basket. Again, it makes him easier to defend and the Cavs’ offense less potent.
–Larry Hughes needs to go back and watch the film from the first 10 games when he took over at point guard. He was distributing, not just shooting. Larry is a quality player and he really helps the team when he plays well, but he’s got to figure out what he is. Also, I personally believe he and LeBron have some on-court chemistry issues. There are times when Larry just won’t pass LeBron the ball, I’ve seen it numerous times. That has to be ironed out, too.
–Mike Brown has made the players respect him for his defensive coaching, he’s pounded it into their heads and got them to buy in. But he has no cache as an offensive coach, the players don’t show him the same respect on that end. Not sure I know how he can fix this, but I know bringing up the issue of adding another coach to deal with offense gets a prickly response at One Center Court.
–Over the last few weeks, I’ve read at least 10 or 12 stories where the writers predicted a free agent will "get the full mid-level exception of $5.5 million." In my view of the market, that’s not happening. Teams aren’t using the full mid-level much on players anymore, call it the Jerome James market correction. Four years ago, like half the teams gave it to one guy (please see Cardinal, Brian and Hudson, Troy). Last year, there were only a handful of players who got it and most of them didn’t work out, either. Consider Vlad Radmanovic, Jared Jeffries, Nazr Mohammed and Mike James to name a few. The market for the full mid-level is so weak this summer that even the Knicks say they aren’t using theirs. Guess there won’t be filet mignon at the annual agents’ convention this year. Most teams will use pieces of it, that includes the Cavs.
–As far as I can tell the following star-type players are potentially on the trade market: Vince Carter, Jason Kidd, Rashard Lewis, Zach Randolph, Bibby, Kobe Bryant, Shawn Marion, Kevin Garnett, Jermaine O’Neal, Pau Gasol, and Ron Artest. This has the makings of a crazy summer. The Cavs are looking to make a major trade and I have no doubt they will be trolling the waters. As I mentioned before, they have some assets to work with even if they are not obvious.
–I am wondering if this is the summer/fall when the Cavs are able to join the elite teams who get free veteran players. You know, key additions who come to a team after a buyout or something and take a cut-rate contract trying to get a ring. Like Alonzo Mourning in Miami, Michael Finley in San Antonio, Chris Webber in Detroit, Jalen Rose in Phoenix, etc., etc. Cavs may show some interest in Grant Hill, but trust me, there will be others in the near future available, too.
More to come in the coming weeks.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
Just a pure shooter would be nice. More than half of the offensive sets are basically: “Watch LeBron hypnotize the defense and trick them into collapsing so he can kick to to a wide open shooter”
DJ, Boobie, Sasha and Donyell aren’t coming off screens, they just slide to the spots on the arc… and miss too many.
A less than average NBA player with a hell of a shot (Kaponoish) would be sweet.
I bet if Trajan played with LeBron he’d still be in the league. The knock on him is he couldn’t create a shot. With the “Watch LeBron” offense, he wouldn’t need to. Just would need to hit a shot.
Also, it looks like LBJ is now grown. We HAVE to start taking off the kid gloves. BW is starting to do it in the above article. He has flaws. He MAY be picking apart the defense by holding the ball, but that is selfish. He needs to be called out on it now. We can’t let our fear of losing him hold us hostage.
June 19th, 2007 at 12:12 am
Brian, you mention that there is a prickly response about getting offensive help on the coaching staff. Where is that response coming from? Brown? Ferry? The fans are dying for it. Also, saw an article that Egan might not return (speculative). Is there any substance? Any light you could shed on the coaching situation would be encouraging to fans sick of the offensive ineptitude (that doesn’t have to do just with LeBron/Hughes/etc.).
In the end, Hughes may distribute fine if reminded but even when healthy he can’t guard quick point guards, can he? Unless you put Pavs on the bench and start Gibson to play the 2 and guard the 1, what solution is Hughes as PG?
June 19th, 2007 at 12:17 am
Steve Blake or bust. In Jerry West’s entire front office career, I don’t think he ever came remotely close to experiencing this quandary.
The lesser of evils would be to make a straight beeline for Steve Francis, assuming the Knicks buy out his contract. But it would be criminally insane to put Hughes and Francis on the court at the same time.
Poor LeBron. If it wasn’t for his 35,000 square feet, I’d almost feel sorry for him.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:19 am
Great insider piece BW…please keep them coming..
June 19th, 2007 at 2:24 am
DaSHAUN WOOD!!! If nobody drafts him and the Cavs don’t sign him - someone’s going to have to explain WHY to me.
Also - we’ve tried the PURE SHOOTER guy before. It doesn’t work. See: Luke Jackson, Damon Jones, Lucious Harris.
We need someone who has confidence.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:31 am
The Cavs should look hard at getting Shawwn Marion out of Phoenix. His ugly 3-point shot goes in more than the pure form of some of the alleged shooters on the Cavs roster. With Marion, the Cavs could play the “shooters” lineup that was effective in the playoffs, without sacrificing defense because Marion would be on the floor in place of a Donyell Marshall or Damon Jones. Phoenix is looking to cut salary, so I think the Cavs might have the chips to pull this off.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:59 am
The one player that I think would make up and fill a number 2 role that is within reach is Gerald Wallace from the Bobcats. He is a good defender(averaged 2blks and 2steals per game), scorer, and more of an outside shooter than Larry. He would probably be pretty expensive, but may be available for a sign and trade. I am thinking Drew Gooden (their PF are always hurt, Drew stays health and has playoff experience) and a resigned Sasha.
Our own Free agents:
Resign Anderson. Excellent young big man with room to improve. He was in there during crunch time. If he is too expense though, I can see moving him. Hopefully he is as tight with LeBron as it seems like they are, but I heard his agent is the devil.
Resign Sasha to trade him. I like him, but alot of teams would like him and he has play off experience. I know how you feel about Shannon Brown, but I think he was sort of drafted with a view to 2008; they really wanted Boobie and were surprise Shannon was available. I think he can bring the offense and the defense that Sasha did. He was on the bench during crunch time in the Finals, right next to Shannon. Shannon would do well with good
offseason.
Trades:
Drew Gooden(PF) for Josh Smith(PF) from Hawks - I like Drew. He brings it, but not all the time. I think he is probably a better athelete than Boozer is, but he doesn’t have it between the ears. His ‘help defense’ hurt the Cavs in the Finalize and didn’t make up for his sometimes offense.
With Smith, you have a player that was in the league lead in blocks. He is athletic like Gooden, but he has had troubles with his coach, Mike Woodson. However, he might do well with a fresh start, and he is boys with LeBron (he frequents the LBJ bikeathon in Akron).
This is a possible trade I’ve heard Hughes and (Pavlovic or Anderson) for Jason Richardson and Sarunas Jasikevicius.
Don Nelson would like an atheltic slashing defender like Larry. With J-Rich,Cavaliers get more consistant offense. Jasikevicius would be a solid enough PG off the bench (maybe starter) and keep Z happy.
Draft:
- Get a pick.
- If they can, I’d draft someone like an Aaron Afflalo or my choice, Alando Tucker. Both guys seem like gritty, Bruce Bowen/Shane Battier-type players championship teams have. Of course, it is dependant on where you get the pick.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:54 am
The Larry Hughes situation sure mucks everything up. Obviously, the Cavs should bench or cut any player who doesn’t pass the ball to LeBron. But with Hughes’ contract, the Cavs aren’t going to bench him and of course he’ll be untradeable after his last two season.
As things stand, the team will have to find a backcourt mate who does everything–shoot, distribute, guard quick point guards, etc., etc. Of all the rumored names above, I don’t see any player I like more than Daniel Gibson.
Verajao has sign and trade written all over him. Maybe the Cavs should be looking to package him with Gooden or cap space to land a good big man like O’Neal. The bottom line is the team needs another very good player, at any position other than LeBron’s.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:09 am
I don’t know anything about that Alando Tucker guy, but I like him.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:14 am
Wow, really nice article Brian. Very informative and pointed out many things the average “fan” doesnt account for. Keep up the good work.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
I think trading Gooden would be a mistake. He’s got a reasonable contract, a consistent mid-range jumper, and he’s a very good rebounder. Seems to me that he doesn’t get enough shots. His play this season was much more consistent than last. I think another year with the same players and system around him would provide even better results.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Great insightful analysis about Lebron James, many of the things that you pointed out particularly his tendency to hold on to the ball to long have been things I’ve screamed about all season long. Adding a shooter is a must, but it has to be a guy who is also a threat to take it to the basket, or otherwise defenses will adjust to him. Because Lebron dominates the ball so much and at this point hasn’t proven to be effective moving without the ball, I think that a point guard in the mode of a Keyon Dooling, Carlos Arroyo, Juan Dixon, or Possibly even a Jason Terry would be most effective with the Cavs. These are guys who don’t necessarily need the ball in their hands to be effective, and for the most part are quick enough on defense to guard opposing point guards, with the possible exception of Arroyo.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Great insightful analysis about Lebron James, many of the things that you pointed out particularly his tendency to hold on to the ball to long have been things I’ve screamed about all season long. Adding a shooter is a must, but it has to be a guy who is also a threat to take it to the basket, or otherwise defenses will adjust to him. Because Lebron dominates the ball so much and at this point hasn’t proven to be effective moving without the ball, I think that a point guard in the mode of a Keyon Dooling, Carlos Arroyo, Juan Dixon, or Possibly even a Jason Terry would be most effective with the Cavs. These are guys who don’t necessarily need the ball in their hands to be effective, and for the most part are quick enough on defense to guard opposing point guards, with the possible exception of Arroyo.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Maybe I am completely off base here, but should the Cavs look into getting Sacramento’s Kevin Martin? Obviously he is a good shooter, confident, and young. I think he can become a free agent after next season, and isn’t he from Ohio? He would probably have to lobby to make this happen, but is it possible?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
If Drew Gooden is going to the suns, I want AMARE STOUDEMIRE.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
“–The correction of the offense starts with LeBron James. The reason his jump shot was terrible in the Finals was because he lost confidence in it. He lost confidence in it because he can’t trust it. He can’t trust it because he’s not fundamentally sound with it. He’s not fundamentally sound because he’s always changing his form. Remember those five days or so when he was hopping one inch on his 3-pointers a la Ira Newble? Same with free throws, he changed his form, what, three or four times this season. Want to hear something shocking? His highest free-throw percentage of the last eight years was when he was a freshman in high school. He needs to get a correct form and then be consistent with it. He knows this. Whether he does it with a personal coach or whatever, it needs to be done.
Second, it doesn’t matter whether LeBron has Jason Kidd playing next to him, if he’s going to dribble the air out of the ball he is going to be easy to defend. Sometimes the offense stops working because he stops it. I have had a few NBA players (not on the Cavs…don’t get me in trouble) tell me they think LeBron is a selfish player at times. I don’t believe that, I think he wants to be the ultimate team player but he needs to refine some tendencies. Perhaps he needs some better teaching of how. But here’s the thing I know about him, he’s only going to change something when he’s good and ready.
Third, he’s got to trust his post game more. He’s not comfortable down there and so he rarely posts low. It isn’t Mike Brown who tells him to post 22 feet from the basket. Again, it makes him easier to defend and the Cavs’ offense less potent”
All great points, but it’s just odd for me to disect the main reason the Cavaliers were in the finals in the first place. He can definitely improve in those areas and that is the scary part, but I think we need better players around him, too. Getting open shots is not the problem for this team. Making those open shots most definitely is the problem. My main concerns are the help, not James. But the onus is on everybody to improve. I guess, I’m saying I’m not going to worry about my McLaren’s engine too much if the tires are balding and the chassis is rusting out.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
We need a point guard. Why has the name Chaucy not been mention. He has the experience and he can defend and he can shoot.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Billups has not mentioned because he is an unrestricted free agent who can sign with any team, and the Cavs don’t have the cash to compete for what he will demand on the open market. So, he will re-sign with the Pistons or sign with another team that has the $.
If Billups was available for a trade, it is equally unlikely the Pistons would trade him to a division rival that desperately needs a player at his position.
That’s why no one is mentioning him.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
Gooden and Damon Jones plus parts (Wesley or Newbel ect) to Sacto for Bibby. Fills needs for Petrie and monies work. Then send Hughes and Sasha to Utah (Jazz still mad he got away from them) for AK 47. Cavs get much better defender and shot-blocker in Andre and get point guard who can shoot.AK47 is still young. Bibby is in his prime.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:21 pm
Waht about a player like Bonzi Wells. He is cheap, free agent with good offense and decent defense? I hear not many teams want him could be good to go to Cleveland and re-establish himself.
June 20th, 2007 at 5:44 am
Bibby is past his prime and has been for at least 2 years, but he is still a good player who can shoot. The problem with him is he is old, has an expiring contract and he couldn’t stop a fly with Raid. In reality, Steve Blake is the best option for the Cavs because he can shoot, his ballhandling isn’t strong, but he makes decisions and he can keep his man in front of him. Cleveland is not going to get a superstar caliber PG via trade, because the asking price will be too high, for Blake u may only have to give up an expiring contract and maybe Varejao, only because George Karl likes Blake.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:04 am
That’s “hoarded it”, not “horded it”
June 20th, 2007 at 7:39 am
I think Steve Blake would be a good fit, knows how to run a team and would come cheaply, no more than mid-level exception.
I like the idea of Hughes for AK-47. The Jazz need a shooting guard bigtime and we need to get rid of Hughes bigtime. Both have hideous contracts but I’d rather have AK than Hughes. Then maybe send Gooden to the Knicks (along with contracts for Frye & Crawford)or the Bulls (Duhon & Nocioni-sign and trade).
Keep Andy
Include Sasha in one of those deals or keep it doesnt matter.
With those trades, the new lineup would be
PG Blake (Gibson)
SG Crawford (Brown)
SF Lebron (Sasha)
PF AK-47 (Frye)
C Z (Andy)
or
PG Blake (Duhon)
SG Sasha (Gibson)
SF Lebron (Nocioni)
PF AK-47 (Marhsall)
C Z (Andy)
June 20th, 2007 at 9:42 am
I think the majority of these posts have Steve Blake WAY overrated. He’s a marginal backup at best. Keep in mind that the run and gun style of Denver will always inflate a players offensive prowess. In our grind it out style, he would be of little use.
Is there any chance that Michael Redd would be available in a trade? It seems that the Bucks really took a big step back this past season. I’m wondering if they might be considering going in another direction. I wonder if those 11M in expiring contracts and some draft picks could make it happen. I know he has a max contract, but it appears that Gilbert is open to paying the luxury tax.
The offense needs to be addressed. I agree with the assessment of LeBron completely. He needs to post up a lot more. He’s going to be able to outmuscle any defender down there. Plus, he can take advantage of the ridiculous touch fouls that get called against defenders the the league’s elite players. We had to whine about touch fouls on Jordan all the time in the 80s and 90s. LeBron’s not taking advantage of this enough. Of course, this could have to do with his subpar free throw shooting. He needs to be 80%+. No excuses.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Jerod’s right about Blake and I’d put most of the point guards I’ve seen mentioned in the same category (Beno Udrih, etc.)
Every offseason the media overrates a mediocre point guard or two and some foolish GM takes the bait. Earl Watson is a good example from last year, along with the Jasikivicius (sp?)fellow from the Pacers.
The Cavs should give Gibson a chance as a starter, then do whatever they can to get a big man who can dominate down low, either offensively or defensively.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Everybody’s here proffering ideas to fix a problem that everybody knows can’t be fixed.
James’ agent and Dan Gilbert, two carnival barkers that know exactly what they’re doing, are the villians here. Gilbert is a shrewd businessman selling hope, and has succeeded in doing it amazingly well. James’ agent took Ferry for a ride, he signed a bunch of marginal players to ridiculous long-long-long-term deals assuming James would re-up for the max in response, and instead James’ agent sticks it in their face and tells James to give the Cavs the bare minimum of one additional season.
But the center of the problem, so to speak, lies with Ilgauskas. Nice guy and everything, I suppose, but they’re stuck with a plodding halfcourt game and the personnel which will fit it. Can’t even unload Z and that salary for a second-round pick in the year 2025, because his agent infested the contract with a 15% poison pill. No matter how drunk you get another general manager, they’ll sober up pretty fast when they stumble over that not-so-tiny asterisk.
Can’t unload Hughes, his contract was bad enough. But his performance has been so amazingly awful, he’s the closest thing to leprosy the Cavs have.
Steve Blake? Tell me with a straight face that he’s an answer. Even Denver stopped starting him. Gibson isn’t a point guard, but since Hughes isn’t going anywhere, I guess in the absence of some used retread like Brevin Knight, Gibson might as well be given the job.
Gotta love the silly rumor-mongering about the Suns and Gooden. Brian is at it again. The Suns continue to slobber all over Ferry for that golden raccoon tail. They’ve wanted him for YEARS. And will Justin Timberlake ever get back with Cameron Diaz? Those two kids seemed so cute together.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
Gibson is not the answer next year at point guard and probably never will be. He is a scoring guard in a point guard’s body. The is not a legit NBA PG on the Cavs roster. Out of the free agent point guards the Cavs can afford I would prefer Blake because he can hit open shots and can run the fast break. Just watch how many easy buckets Lebron will be able to get with Blake running the break since Bron is the best player in the league in the open court. I’m not in love with Blake and wouldn’t pay him much more than his 2006 salary (about 2.4 mil)but he is much much better option that Earl Boykins (I’d rather receive 10 kicks in the balls than Ballhog Boykins on the Cavs) or any other cheap PG.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Balderdash. I’ve seen Gibson shoot, bring the ball over half court and run fast breaks, all very well. My guess is he can feed the low post or at least learn to. He’ll never be Steve Nash, but you don’t need Steve Nash to win championships. Reporters and pundits once said Parker and Billups weren’t point guards either.
No one knows if Gibson can handle the point guard position fulltime, because he’s never been asked to. To say he can’t is the conventional wisdom, but it’s pure speculation.
In any case, the last thing the Cavs need is another mediocre veteran role player.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
“In any case, the last thing the Cavs need is another mediocre veteran role player.”
Umm, I beg to differ. Show me a single mediocre veteran role player on this roster. Mediocre would be an upgrade.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Steveblakemania. Catch it.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
I don’t think its Steve Blake Mania, but he is a huge upgrade over any point guard on our roster. I really like Gibson and think he is very valuable player but he is not a point guard. Ideally we could get a guy like Calderon to run the show but with his low salary and our lack of assets it would be tough to pull off this offseason.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
Blake played starter’s minutes, and averaged 8 points per game. Come to think of it, that’s around what Gibson did playing starter’s minutes, too…so why are some people treating Gibson as if he’s some kind of exploding nova on the horizon? I guess that’s what happens when you’re selling hope, and age becomes the key bargaining chip of the shell game and the sales job. As if nearly every runner-up in NBA history didn’t have a bunch of guys 25 and under on the roster, too. But getting back to my point, yes, Blake has some passing skills. But so what? As long as Ilgauskas is an albatross on the roster, they can’t run a break, and Blake is just another overpaid white guy.
Forget Blake and shoehorn Steve Francis off New York.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
I love the trade ideas on this thread. Gooden for Stoudemire? Gooden and Jones for Bibby? LARRY HUGHES for ANDREI KIRILENKO?
Nice going, guys. While Ferry’s at it, maybe he should call up the Lakers and see if they’ll exchange Kobe Bryant for David Wesley and a 5-pack of Larry Hughes’ arm-hose.
Please stop surfing the Internet for trade rumors until 4 in the morning and then spending half your day concocting new transactions that you can enter into espn.com’s “Trade Machine.” It’s not worth it.
You guys need to focus on the more important things in life, like “eating,” “sleeping,” and “getting the opposite sex to notice you.”
June 20th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Just for the record, Hughes’ arm-hose are only available in individual egg packaging, each sold separately. At the present time, there are no 5-packs.
June 21st, 2007 at 5:26 am
Remember these words: ****** will be traded, and the Cavs will take **** ******* in the draft. Finally, I’m excited about a *** ***. And for now, over and ***.
June 21st, 2007 at 5:59 am
Can we trade Alan Tucker to some other blog? I would like to get somebody that is less of a PITA.
June 21st, 2007 at 9:06 pm
steve nash has agreed to be traded to the cavs for dan gibson, and drew gooden, just saw it on the news, will not be offically announce until after july 1