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		<title>By: doc</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2007/01/24/i-hate-the-jump-shot/#comment-1703</link>
		<dc:creator>doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments today guys.  Pluto embarasses himself weekly.  He ought to stick to the cheesy religious pieces exclusively.  Nobody, except for occasionally bill livingston, has the guts to call the cleveland sports scene what it is; an unmitigated disaster.

  The suns toyed with them today.  And Brown was all excited at the half because the Suns only had 5 fast break points.  What a clueless fool.  They had 58 points and shot 55%!  Force of nature at the 3, slasher type shooting guard, athletic rangy 4, and Varejao playing most of the meaningful minutes at the 5.  Seems like the perfect personnel to run a slow down clutch and grab offense.  Unbelievable.  Fire him now.  Let him hone his craft in the MAC or OVC.  I can't take it anymore.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments today guys.  Pluto embarasses himself weekly.  He ought to stick to the cheesy religious pieces exclusively.  Nobody, except for occasionally bill livingston, has the guts to call the cleveland sports scene what it is; an unmitigated disaster.</p>
<p>  The suns toyed with them today.  And Brown was all excited at the half because the Suns only had 5 fast break points.  What a clueless fool.  They had 58 points and shot 55%!  Force of nature at the 3, slasher type shooting guard, athletic rangy 4, and Varejao playing most of the meaningful minutes at the 5.  Seems like the perfect personnel to run a slow down clutch and grab offense.  Unbelievable.  Fire him now.  Let him hone his craft in the MAC or OVC.  I can&#8217;t take it anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: kj</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2007/01/24/i-hate-the-jump-shot/#comment-1702</link>
		<dc:creator>kj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man, larry, you are on fire! i agree with you on everything, except perhaps the ferry summer signings. i still think he HAD make those moves but..



your point about pluto and Z is dead-on as well. we HAVE gotten worse as he's gotten "better." oh, and take another look at thise stats and notice that he's STILL shooting UNDER 50%!!! he's 7'3"! now, maybe he loses a few percentage points with all those tip-in attempts but i'm pretty sure he shot over 50% a few years ago. 



i think tucker is right vis-a-vis pluto liking Z because of the foot and remaining loyal. i never thought i'd say this but i wish we had a sam smith-type who would tell it like it about the hometown team.



i have mentioned in other forums how with the internet and espn, that rather than many different voices being heard, what has actually happened is that a monolithic "groupthink" has emerged on so many sport topics by those who cover them. and there is no clearer example of that then with the cavs media.



sheesh, next thing ya know i'll be longing for gib and pete franklin!



oh, and didn't it look nice the other day against the sixers when we had a POINT GUARD who drove and dished the ball and hit open shots? but as pluto says, gibson's not ready to start. so that's that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man, larry, you are on fire! i agree with you on everything, except perhaps the ferry summer signings. i still think he HAD make those moves but..</p>
<p>your point about pluto and Z is dead-on as well. we HAVE gotten worse as he&#8217;s gotten &#8220;better.&#8221; oh, and take another look at thise stats and notice that he&#8217;s STILL shooting UNDER 50%!!! he&#8217;s 7&#8242;3&#8243;! now, maybe he loses a few percentage points with all those tip-in attempts but i&#8217;m pretty sure he shot over 50% a few years ago. </p>
<p>i think tucker is right vis-a-vis pluto liking Z because of the foot and remaining loyal. i never thought i&#8217;d say this but i wish we had a sam smith-type who would tell it like it about the hometown team.</p>
<p>i have mentioned in other forums how with the internet and espn, that rather than many different voices being heard, what has actually happened is that a monolithic &#8220;groupthink&#8221; has emerged on so many sport topics by those who cover them. and there is no clearer example of that then with the cavs media.</p>
<p>sheesh, next thing ya know i&#8217;ll be longing for gib and pete franklin!</p>
<p>oh, and didn&#8217;t it look nice the other day against the sixers when we had a POINT GUARD who drove and dished the ball and hit open shots? but as pluto says, gibson&#8217;s not ready to start. so that&#8217;s that!</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2007/01/24/i-hate-the-jump-shot/#comment-1701</link>
		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are definitely some sacred cows--Z needs more touches; Snow is a top defender and great team leader; Ferry made good moves two summers ago (or he didn't have any choice anyway). 



It borders on bizarre how every local sportswriter seems to completely agree with every one of these highly debatable notions. I can't remember one article, column or blurb that really questions any of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are definitely some sacred cows&#8211;Z needs more touches; Snow is a top defender and great team leader; Ferry made good moves two summers ago (or he didn&#8217;t have any choice anyway). </p>
<p>It borders on bizarre how every local sportswriter seems to completely agree with every one of these highly debatable notions. I can&#8217;t remember one article, column or blurb that really questions any of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Tucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Terry Pluto's neverending love affair with Ilgauskas remains extraordinarily puzzling.  I'd hazard a guess that it actually has underlying reasons having far more to do with Ilgauskas' foot operations and a guy actually re-upping with Cleveland than his actual skills.  Terry has always admired guys that overcome real adversity and guys that are purportedly "loyal" to hard-luck Northeast Ohio.  (Of course, Ferry was merely bidding against himself, and Ilgauskas actually had no other realistic choice that summer but to re-up with Cleveland, but that's neither here nor there.)



But getting back to the point, a flat-out concise statement saying "I now admit I was wrong about Ilgauskas" would be refreshing, if indeed that is what is attempting to be said.  Frankly, I don't know.  I can't tell.  Because unless I've missed something, as it now stands, we're talking of a sportswriting viewpoint that says "heads I win, tails you lose."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Terry Pluto&#8217;s neverending love affair with Ilgauskas remains extraordinarily puzzling.  I&#8217;d hazard a guess that it actually has underlying reasons having far more to do with Ilgauskas&#8217; foot operations and a guy actually re-upping with Cleveland than his actual skills.  Terry has always admired guys that overcome real adversity and guys that are purportedly &#8220;loyal&#8221; to hard-luck Northeast Ohio.  (Of course, Ferry was merely bidding against himself, and Ilgauskas actually had no other realistic choice that summer but to re-up with Cleveland, but that&#8217;s neither here nor there.)</p>
<p>But getting back to the point, a flat-out concise statement saying &#8220;I now admit I was wrong about Ilgauskas&#8221; would be refreshing, if indeed that is what is attempting to be said.  Frankly, I don&#8217;t know.  I can&#8217;t tell.  Because unless I&#8217;ve missed something, as it now stands, we&#8217;re talking of a sportswriting viewpoint that says &#8220;heads I win, tails you lose.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give BW a break, he's coming along on Snow and Z and sports writers should be able to change their minds after watching games and seasons unfold. If that weren't the case, we'd still be reading about what a great head coach Chris Palmer was.



But Pluto is again beating the old horse in today's column, claiming Z needs more touches. Pluto outlines how Z's numbers have risen each month this season, forgetting to mention that the Cavs have gotten worse as Z's numbers have improved.



The Cavs offense looked pretty good the first few games this season, when Z was playing about 20 minutes a game and feeling left out. He can be valuable as a role player but he's just terrible as a go-to guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give BW a break, he&#8217;s coming along on Snow and Z and sports writers should be able to change their minds after watching games and seasons unfold. If that weren&#8217;t the case, we&#8217;d still be reading about what a great head coach Chris Palmer was.</p>
<p>But Pluto is again beating the old horse in today&#8217;s column, claiming Z needs more touches. Pluto outlines how Z&#8217;s numbers have risen each month this season, forgetting to mention that the Cavs have gotten worse as Z&#8217;s numbers have improved.</p>
<p>The Cavs offense looked pretty good the first few games this season, when Z was playing about 20 minutes a game and feeling left out. He can be valuable as a role player but he&#8217;s just terrible as a go-to guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Tucker</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2007/01/24/i-hate-the-jump-shot/#comment-1698</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kj, it was a typo, but thank you for the English lesson...



But as you say, more to my larger point, somebody buy the Beacon Journal a gigantic case of Woolite.  No, make that two giant cases.  Jeez, talk about sprinting straight to the head of the class of wishy-washy sportswriting.  The last time there was anything that outrageously contraditory, the ancient French Vikings were inventing the term "jumbo shrimp."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kj, it was a typo, but thank you for the English lesson&#8230;</p>
<p>But as you say, more to my larger point, somebody buy the Beacon Journal a gigantic case of Woolite.  No, make that two giant cases.  Jeez, talk about sprinting straight to the head of the class of wishy-washy sportswriting.  The last time there was anything that outrageously contraditory, the ancient French Vikings were inventing the term &#8220;jumbo shrimp.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kj</title>
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		<dc:creator>kj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tucker, it should be "relentlessly" not "relentless" in this instance. however, to your larger point; you are ABSOLUTELY correct!! and, yes, i could hardly forsee myself typing those words...but one must give the devil his due and your analysis here is dead-on. it fits right beside the "snow does things you mere fans cannot even SEE much less GRASP!" meme so often foist upon on us by the media who cover the cavs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tucker, it should be &#8220;relentlessly&#8221; not &#8220;relentless&#8221; in this instance. however, to your larger point; you are ABSOLUTELY correct!! and, yes, i could hardly forsee myself typing those words&#8230;but one must give the devil his due and your analysis here is dead-on. it fits right beside the &#8220;snow does things you mere fans cannot even SEE much less GRASP!&#8221; meme so often foist upon on us by the media who cover the cavs.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Tucker</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2007/01/24/i-hate-the-jump-shot/#comment-1696</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"In addition, when the ball does go into the post to Drew Gooden or Zydrunas Ilgauskas it isn't coming out, those guys COMBINE to average less than two assists per game." 



How does this fact differ from any other season?  If not for the additional fact both you and your Beacon Journal brethren have spent literally *years* ignoring it, instead choosing to relentless argue that Ilgauskas is rarely fed the ball, thereby hurting the team, you'd have some foundation as to why you're even mentioning it. 



Playing both sides of the fence is a real journalistic stinkaroo.  Either you want Ilgauskas to get fed the the ball and perform the exact same black hole thing he's been doing for nearly 10 years now, or you don't.  For Pete's sakes, don't be an egregious hypocrite.  Choose a side, put it into print, and stick with your decision.  Which is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In addition, when the ball does go into the post to Drew Gooden or Zydrunas Ilgauskas it isn&#8217;t coming out, those guys COMBINE to average less than two assists per game.&#8221; </p>
<p>How does this fact differ from any other season?  If not for the additional fact both you and your Beacon Journal brethren have spent literally *years* ignoring it, instead choosing to relentless argue that Ilgauskas is rarely fed the ball, thereby hurting the team, you&#8217;d have some foundation as to why you&#8217;re even mentioning it. </p>
<p>Playing both sides of the fence is a real journalistic stinkaroo.  Either you want Ilgauskas to get fed the the ball and perform the exact same black hole thing he&#8217;s been doing for nearly 10 years now, or you don&#8217;t.  For Pete&#8217;s sakes, don&#8217;t be an egregious hypocrite.  Choose a side, put it into print, and stick with your decision.  Which is it?</p>
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		<title>By: jmoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>news flash lebrons big toe

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>news flash lebrons big toe</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's been mentioned earlier, opponents have allowed the Cavs to shoot themselves to lose!  

Allowing LeBron, Hughes, Gooden, and Jones to shoot jumpers prays on the weakness of the Cavs.  

Offensively, what they’re doing with Z is baffling, why they've pulled Z off the block to shoot jumpers is beyond comprehension.  (I’m guessing to open things up.) 

Yes, Z can knock that shot down.  However, I’d rather have my 7’3” player in around the basket for many reasons, especially for his Off. Rebound skill.  He’s never been quick or explosive but he’s managed to be one of the better post players in the league with good hands.  

Why they don’t use that aspect of his game?  Ask Coach!

I’m sure the Lakers would love to have him in their triangle offense as would a handful of other teams, but he’s you ONLY true post player!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been mentioned earlier, opponents have allowed the Cavs to shoot themselves to lose!  </p>
<p>Allowing LeBron, Hughes, Gooden, and Jones to shoot jumpers prays on the weakness of the Cavs.  </p>
<p>Offensively, what they’re doing with Z is baffling, why they&#8217;ve pulled Z off the block to shoot jumpers is beyond comprehension.  (I’m guessing to open things up.) </p>
<p>Yes, Z can knock that shot down.  However, I’d rather have my 7’3” player in around the basket for many reasons, especially for his Off. Rebound skill.  He’s never been quick or explosive but he’s managed to be one of the better post players in the league with good hands.  </p>
<p>Why they don’t use that aspect of his game?  Ask Coach!</p>
<p>I’m sure the Lakers would love to have him in their triangle offense as would a handful of other teams, but he’s you ONLY true post player!</p>
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