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		<title>By: nike</title>
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		<dc:creator>nike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the cavs stink ! if you think you're a championship team , you're wrong .

coach brown needs to use younger guards . eric snow is old and slow . 




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the cavs stink ! if you think you&#8217;re a championship team , you&#8217;re wrong .</p>
<p>coach brown needs to use younger guards . eric snow is old and slow .</p>
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		<title>By: kj</title>
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		<dc:creator>kj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but mike, you make my point for me about why fans should almost never boo unless it's clear the team is, game after game, not giving full-effort. not making shots? sorry, that is NOT cause to boo! the only thing that happens when ignorant fans (i still say it is mainly fans of the cavs who were not fans of the cavs 4 years ago who are the problem here)boo is that it pisses off the players and you get comments like that from LBJ. then the fans get pissed at LBJ for saying it, then LBJ gets *more* mad at the fans, and the vicious cycle continues.



sorry, i remain committed to the believe that no damn good can come from booing your *home* team and i have yet to hear argument why i should think otherwise...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but mike, you make my point for me about why fans should almost never boo unless it&#8217;s clear the team is, game after game, not giving full-effort. not making shots? sorry, that is NOT cause to boo! the only thing that happens when ignorant fans (i still say it is mainly fans of the cavs who were not fans of the cavs 4 years ago who are the problem here)boo is that it pisses off the players and you get comments like that from LBJ. then the fans get pissed at LBJ for saying it, then LBJ gets *more* mad at the fans, and the vicious cycle continues.</p>
<p>sorry, i remain committed to the believe that no damn good can come from booing your *home* team and i have yet to hear argument why i should think otherwise&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Curry</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/11/08/hawks-aftermath/#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took a full day to recover from Tuesday night's loss to the Hawks (among other things), but I think I'm finally ready to vent my frustrations.  It seems like a lot of people have solutions for what ails the Cavaliers, and the multitude of solutions illustrates the number of problems that the Cavaliers demonstrated on Tuesday.



Here's what I noticed in the loss to the Hawks.



1.  The Cavs defense against motion offenses is great.  They're staying low, they're plugging passing lanes, and they're rotating with aplumb.  That being said, they are still having a real problem dealing with dribble penetration, and even mediocre guards with exceptional speed are able to cause all sorts of havoc.  I expect we'll see more problems tonight with Hinrich and Gordon trying to get into the lane.  The problem is, you can't really solve pick-and-roll penetration by NBA-level guards with standard defense.  The only solution is to have an intimidating shot-blocker in the back line to change shots and force kick-outs.  My first suggestion would be to let Z go after more blocked shots, and make the forwards focus on rebounding and defending against cutters, but Z might not be agile enough anymore to alter enough shots.  While the point defense is slow, Team USA couldn't defend against Greek "speedsters" in the world championships, so Snow, Jones, and Wesley don't deserve too much blame.  Now, the fact that they each have one basket this year might be a bit of a problem.



2.  The Cavaliers offense, on the other hand, has been awful.  They have had problems scoring against two of the worst defenses in the league in Charlotte and Atlanta, and they only managed 95 points *in Overtime* on Tuesday.  And that's with LeBron playing almost 48 minutes and scoring over 30.  So far the motion offense has not taken advantage of the talent of the players.  Why, exactly, would you change Z's shooting positions?  Why would you have an offense the limits dribble penetration when you have LeBron and Larry Hughes?  So far, the offensive scheme itself has a long way to go, and then there will be a long transition time where the team is learning it.  I don't think you can give Mike Brown a long time on this either; if things don't improve soon you're going to need to make the decision to bring in a coach to work just on the offense.  Even Bill Belichick eventually learned that he needed a Charlie Weis to manage the offense if they were going to get to the next level.  Phil Jackson didn't invent the triangle offense, he had Tex Winter to establish the offense while Jackson embraced and imparted the philosophy behind it.  A little humility from the head coach could goes a long way, and hopefully it Mike Brown can admit some of his shortcomings and get some help.



3.  LeBron looks wrong.  Not sure why, but he looks tired at times, disinterested at others.  I know it's still early, but it's worrisome.



4.  The Cavs need to fix Z.  You need an interior presence to make games against teams like Charlotte and Atlanta much easier.  The Cavs need to run drills in practice to help him avoid turning the ball over down low to small guards.  They need to commit to getting him opportunities on the court, without worrying that he might not get off the bench in the second half.  I know that a lot of people aren't Z fans, but he's like the shy kid in the sports movie.  The quarterback needs to pick him up, the team needs to rally behind him, because they're going to need him to win.



5.  Finally, the booing.  The loss to the Hawks was a very frustrating experience.  Frustrating for the fans, and frustrating for the players.  That being said, the Cavaliers lost because they failed to execute a fundamental element of the game.  Just like an infielder booting the ground ball that would win the game, missing free throws happens, but it's never acceptable.  And the Cavaliers proceeded to boot 10 ground balls in the fourth quarter and overtime alone.  Fans got frustrated, and they booed and they groaned (I heard more groans than boos).  LeBron got frustrated, and he walked off the court early, then took a shot at the fans when he was taking questions after the game ("We're just playing for ourselves now.  The players, the coaches, us.").  It was immature of Lebron to make that kind of statement, especially when the Cavaliers, to a man, had no one to blame but themselves for the loss.  Neither the booing or the statement was good form, and I hope that both parties regret what happened.  We can hug it out.



Well, that's my haypenny, probably a little too late to really get into the discussion.  But at least it was cathartic.



Go Cavs.



Mike

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took a full day to recover from Tuesday night&#8217;s loss to the Hawks (among other things), but I think I&#8217;m finally ready to vent my frustrations.  It seems like a lot of people have solutions for what ails the Cavaliers, and the multitude of solutions illustrates the number of problems that the Cavaliers demonstrated on Tuesday.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I noticed in the loss to the Hawks.</p>
<p>1.  The Cavs defense against motion offenses is great.  They&#8217;re staying low, they&#8217;re plugging passing lanes, and they&#8217;re rotating with aplumb.  That being said, they are still having a real problem dealing with dribble penetration, and even mediocre guards with exceptional speed are able to cause all sorts of havoc.  I expect we&#8217;ll see more problems tonight with Hinrich and Gordon trying to get into the lane.  The problem is, you can&#8217;t really solve pick-and-roll penetration by NBA-level guards with standard defense.  The only solution is to have an intimidating shot-blocker in the back line to change shots and force kick-outs.  My first suggestion would be to let Z go after more blocked shots, and make the forwards focus on rebounding and defending against cutters, but Z might not be agile enough anymore to alter enough shots.  While the point defense is slow, Team USA couldn&#8217;t defend against Greek &#8220;speedsters&#8221; in the world championships, so Snow, Jones, and Wesley don&#8217;t deserve too much blame.  Now, the fact that they each have one basket this year might be a bit of a problem.</p>
<p>2.  The Cavaliers offense, on the other hand, has been awful.  They have had problems scoring against two of the worst defenses in the league in Charlotte and Atlanta, and they only managed 95 points *in Overtime* on Tuesday.  And that&#8217;s with LeBron playing almost 48 minutes and scoring over 30.  So far the motion offense has not taken advantage of the talent of the players.  Why, exactly, would you change Z&#8217;s shooting positions?  Why would you have an offense the limits dribble penetration when you have LeBron and Larry Hughes?  So far, the offensive scheme itself has a long way to go, and then there will be a long transition time where the team is learning it.  I don&#8217;t think you can give Mike Brown a long time on this either; if things don&#8217;t improve soon you&#8217;re going to need to make the decision to bring in a coach to work just on the offense.  Even Bill Belichick eventually learned that he needed a Charlie Weis to manage the offense if they were going to get to the next level.  Phil Jackson didn&#8217;t invent the triangle offense, he had Tex Winter to establish the offense while Jackson embraced and imparted the philosophy behind it.  A little humility from the head coach could goes a long way, and hopefully it Mike Brown can admit some of his shortcomings and get some help.</p>
<p>3.  LeBron looks wrong.  Not sure why, but he looks tired at times, disinterested at others.  I know it&#8217;s still early, but it&#8217;s worrisome.</p>
<p>4.  The Cavs need to fix Z.  You need an interior presence to make games against teams like Charlotte and Atlanta much easier.  The Cavs need to run drills in practice to help him avoid turning the ball over down low to small guards.  They need to commit to getting him opportunities on the court, without worrying that he might not get off the bench in the second half.  I know that a lot of people aren&#8217;t Z fans, but he&#8217;s like the shy kid in the sports movie.  The quarterback needs to pick him up, the team needs to rally behind him, because they&#8217;re going to need him to win.</p>
<p>5.  Finally, the booing.  The loss to the Hawks was a very frustrating experience.  Frustrating for the fans, and frustrating for the players.  That being said, the Cavaliers lost because they failed to execute a fundamental element of the game.  Just like an infielder booting the ground ball that would win the game, missing free throws happens, but it&#8217;s never acceptable.  And the Cavaliers proceeded to boot 10 ground balls in the fourth quarter and overtime alone.  Fans got frustrated, and they booed and they groaned (I heard more groans than boos).  LeBron got frustrated, and he walked off the court early, then took a shot at the fans when he was taking questions after the game (&#8221;We&#8217;re just playing for ourselves now.  The players, the coaches, us.&#8221;).  It was immature of Lebron to make that kind of statement, especially when the Cavaliers, to a man, had no one to blame but themselves for the loss.  Neither the booing or the statement was good form, and I hope that both parties regret what happened.  We can hug it out.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s my haypenny, probably a little too late to really get into the discussion.  But at least it was cathartic.</p>
<p>Go Cavs.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Phil!</description>
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		<title>By: Philthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've played with Andre Knott.  He's not that bad.  In fact, I think that the Cavs should consider him coming off the bench instead of Wesley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve played with Andre Knott.  He&#8217;s not that bad.  In fact, I think that the Cavs should consider him coming off the bench instead of Wesley.</p>
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		<title>By: kj</title>
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		<dc:creator>kj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>larry, you are reading too much into this, i would repectfully submit. mike brown, like most NBA coaches does NOT want to play rookies unless he has too. i mean brian has constantly cautioned us fans from expecting too much floor time for the rooks, because a 50-win team does not just give minutes to a rookie.  and quite frankly, now he almosr HAS to play brown over wesley. and really, you could take solace that he is choosing brown ahead of sascha. that clearly means that brown has passed pavs in practice, most likely, and that is most likely because of brown's defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>larry, you are reading too much into this, i would repectfully submit. mike brown, like most NBA coaches does NOT want to play rookies unless he has too. i mean brian has constantly cautioned us fans from expecting too much floor time for the rooks, because a 50-win team does not just give minutes to a rookie.  and quite frankly, now he almosr HAS to play brown over wesley. and really, you could take solace that he is choosing brown ahead of sascha. that clearly means that brown has passed pavs in practice, most likely, and that is most likely because of brown&#8217;s defense.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how little attention has been paid to LeBron walking off the floor leaving the team in a 5 on 4. 

When Randy Moss quit on his team, it was national hysteria. Why does LeBron get a free pass. 

I am a Cavs fan and a huge LeBron fan, but he can't start doing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how little attention has been paid to LeBron walking off the floor leaving the team in a 5 on 4. </p>
<p>When Randy Moss quit on his team, it was national hysteria. Why does LeBron get a free pass. </p>
<p>I am a Cavs fan and a huge LeBron fan, but he can&#8217;t start doing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought David Wesley looked like Andre Knott. I didn't know he played like him, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought David Wesley looked like Andre Knott. I didn&#8217;t know he played like him, too.</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KJ:

I guess I'm not being clear because I agree very much. Both Brown and Gibson get very good reports but the fact that they haven't earned any minutes away from Wesley, Damon Jones and Eric Snow is worrisome.



Hopefully it's a decision based solely on the two youngsters' development. But both come from big time college programs and if they're not better, right now, than the guys the Cavs are playing, I have to wonder how high their ceiling can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KJ:</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m not being clear because I agree very much. Both Brown and Gibson get very good reports but the fact that they haven&#8217;t earned any minutes away from Wesley, Damon Jones and Eric Snow is worrisome.</p>
<p>Hopefully it&#8217;s a decision based solely on the two youngsters&#8217; development. But both come from big time college programs and if they&#8217;re not better, right now, than the guys the Cavs are playing, I have to wonder how high their ceiling can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lebron was on a roll and was instrumental in helping the cave extend the lead to 10 early in the fourth and then the team forgot about him until it was too late.  ther were 7 or eight posessions in a row where he didn't even touch the ball.  That might be okay in the first half, but in crunch time, your money player should at least get a touch every time down.  I know the they need to work on the free throws, but if they would have kept going to the hot man (Lebron), they even that would have been a moot point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lebron was on a roll and was instrumental in helping the cave extend the lead to 10 early in the fourth and then the team forgot about him until it was too late.  ther were 7 or eight posessions in a row where he didn&#8217;t even touch the ball.  That might be okay in the first half, but in crunch time, your money player should at least get a touch every time down.  I know the they need to work on the free throws, but if they would have kept going to the hot man (Lebron), they even that would have been a moot point.</p>
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