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		<title>By: WAYNEDAWG</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/05/12/comments-on-the-goings-on/#comment-800</link>
		<dc:creator>WAYNEDAWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 10:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I GOT JUST ONE THING TO SAY, BEAT DETROIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO CAVALIERS   YOU CANDO IT!

WAYNEDAWG
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I GOT JUST ONE THING TO SAY, BEAT DETROIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>GO CAVALIERS   YOU CANDO IT!</p>
<p>WAYNEDAWG</p>
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		<title>By: BLC</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/05/12/comments-on-the-goings-on/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator>BLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 02:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears I was right, and for the original owner of this blog stating the Cavs have no chance, I wonder if you are ready to retract your statement like Rasheed should have. It is great to see all the doubters squirm in their seats!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears I was right, and for the original owner of this blog stating the Cavs have no chance, I wonder if you are ready to retract your statement like Rasheed should have. It is great to see all the doubters squirm in their seats!</p>
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		<title>By: BLC</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/05/12/comments-on-the-goings-on/#comment-798</link>
		<dc:creator>BLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 02:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cavs are gonna take game 5 in Detroit. After attending Larry Hughes' brother's funeral, I am sure that experience together is going to be a bonding moment, and will pay dividends. I am not predicting the Cavs taking the series yet, but I would bet on it is I were in Vegas right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cavs are gonna take game 5 in Detroit. After attending Larry Hughes&#8217; brother&#8217;s funeral, I am sure that experience together is going to be a bonding moment, and will pay dividends. I am not predicting the Cavs taking the series yet, but I would bet on it is I were in Vegas right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Andress</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/05/12/comments-on-the-goings-on/#comment-797</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Andress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blurzz,



My comment was directed specifically at arguments that LeBron's improvement this year (over last year) was specifically and entirely the reason for the Cavs improvement this year. I don't believe you made that argument, so it wasn't directed at you.



Thank you for your insights, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blurzz,</p>
<p>My comment was directed specifically at arguments that LeBron&#8217;s improvement this year (over last year) was specifically and entirely the reason for the Cavs improvement this year. I don&#8217;t believe you made that argument, so it wasn&#8217;t directed at you.</p>
<p>Thank you for your insights, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Wine and Gold /RCF.COM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wine and Gold /RCF.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 19:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can alalyze til the cows come home ...our coach puts the best players on the court when we arecoming down the stretch in the 4th qtr.  In those moments, Zis consistently finding himself planted formly on the bench.  The reason is because he is not helping the team as much as the guys on the court ...Donyell and Varejao...or even Gooden.  Of all our bigmen getting time ...at the most important junctures of the game, Z is behind Marshall, Varejao, and Gooden ..and it's getting more and more in the negative direction for Z as each game passes.



He's basically collapsed ...you can play the blame game if you wish ...but, he's playing worse than th other three bigs that I've mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can alalyze til the cows come home &#8230;our coach puts the best players on the court when we arecoming down the stretch in the 4th qtr.  In those moments, Zis consistently finding himself planted formly on the bench.  The reason is because he is not helping the team as much as the guys on the court &#8230;Donyell and Varejao&#8230;or even Gooden.  Of all our bigmen getting time &#8230;at the most important junctures of the game, Z is behind Marshall, Varejao, and Gooden ..and it&#8217;s getting more and more in the negative direction for Z as each game passes.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s basically collapsed &#8230;you can play the blame game if you wish &#8230;but, he&#8217;s playing worse than th other three bigs that I&#8217;ve mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: MQ</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/05/12/comments-on-the-goings-on/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>MQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 23:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way, one cannot praise Lebron enough for what he has done this year with the supporting cast he has.  This is the year where it has become clear that barring injury he is indeed going to be one of the greatest players in the history of the game.  The transition from last year to this year was the transition from all-star caliber play to greatness, defined as the ability to take over games when it matters.  The reason basketball stats are deceptive is that in the NBA *when* you score generally matters more than how much you score.  Stats don't measure this at all.



The amazing thing, given his level of play, is that Lebron still has more improvements he can make.  Every Cleveland sports fan should be devoutly grateful to LBJ.  We are all witnesses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way, one cannot praise Lebron enough for what he has done this year with the supporting cast he has.  This is the year where it has become clear that barring injury he is indeed going to be one of the greatest players in the history of the game.  The transition from last year to this year was the transition from all-star caliber play to greatness, defined as the ability to take over games when it matters.  The reason basketball stats are deceptive is that in the NBA *when* you score generally matters more than how much you score.  Stats don&#8217;t measure this at all.</p>
<p>The amazing thing, given his level of play, is that Lebron still has more improvements he can make.  Every Cleveland sports fan should be devoutly grateful to LBJ.  We are all witnesses!</p>
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		<title>By: MQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 23:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basketball stats are notoriously deceptive.  Unlike baseball, where outcomes can really be reliably predicted (or retrodicted) using stats, basketball stats do not represent the game well at all.  Whatever the stats show, Lebron has obviously been much better this year than last.  He has learned to pace himself and take over the game at critical moments.  Look at our record in close games and in road games this year vs. last.  The other big improvements were the addition of Donyell Marshall and someone, anyone, besides Newble to play 2-guard.  Ira was the worst 2-guard in the league, and he was starting for us. 



But any non brain dead person could have done those things.  The big danger signs for the franchise's future are the giant contracts to Hughes and, yes, Z, who are demonstrating in this years playoffs that they are not the players we need to get to the next level.  I have been a Z supporter for a long time, but in the 9 games we have played so far in these playoffs I think he has given pretty conclusive evidence that the critics are right and the supporters are in denial.  The claim that the Cavs don't feed Z enough is I think wrong.  They don't feed him because when they do he takes up three quarters of the shot clock and then generally doesn't score.  (That is, if he doesn't turn it over).  Every game I see the Cavs try to feed Z to start out, and every game his lack of athleticism shows.  Then the Cavs quite rightly move away from the strategy because they need to get the ball to someone who can score consistently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basketball stats are notoriously deceptive.  Unlike baseball, where outcomes can really be reliably predicted (or retrodicted) using stats, basketball stats do not represent the game well at all.  Whatever the stats show, Lebron has obviously been much better this year than last.  He has learned to pace himself and take over the game at critical moments.  Look at our record in close games and in road games this year vs. last.  The other big improvements were the addition of Donyell Marshall and someone, anyone, besides Newble to play 2-guard.  Ira was the worst 2-guard in the league, and he was starting for us. </p>
<p>But any non brain dead person could have done those things.  The big danger signs for the franchise&#8217;s future are the giant contracts to Hughes and, yes, Z, who are demonstrating in this years playoffs that they are not the players we need to get to the next level.  I have been a Z supporter for a long time, but in the 9 games we have played so far in these playoffs I think he has given pretty conclusive evidence that the critics are right and the supporters are in denial.  The claim that the Cavs don&#8217;t feed Z enough is I think wrong.  They don&#8217;t feed him because when they do he takes up three quarters of the shot clock and then generally doesn&#8217;t score.  (That is, if he doesn&#8217;t turn it over).  Every game I see the Cavs try to feed Z to start out, and every game his lack of athleticism shows.  Then the Cavs quite rightly move away from the strategy because they need to get the ball to someone who can score consistently.</p>
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		<title>By: Blurrz</title>
		<link>http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/05/12/comments-on-the-goings-on/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>Blurrz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 17:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,



I agree with everything you said.  I go to 82games.com and other sites all the time; I think they're really interesting and I agree that statistics can sometimes help explain why certain "realities" are not actually so.



My point is simply that in Z's case, anything 82games or any other site throws out to support him should not be given as much weight as watching him play with your own eyes.  I don't know of any stat that can track "players who most frequently disrupt the flow of a game," but with the three things I mentioned (missed tip-ins, travels, foul trouble), Z disrupts the flow of the game more frequently than is acceptable for an eight-year, highly-paid veteran who is supposedly an integral part of the offense.  



When you factor in all the stats, his experience, and his salary (which to my knowledge 82games.com doesn't do), the criticism is warranted.



I've seen and heard "experts" say that aside from LeBron, Z is the "key" to many games; I even heard this during the Washington series.  Well, he's so "key" that he has routinely been benched during the playoffs; the only reason why he has not lost the starting job is because the coaches probably don't want to cause team conflict.  



I hope he is traded in the offseason.  Nice person, for all I know or have read, but not a good complement to LeBron in the Cavs' push for a championship team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I agree with everything you said.  I go to 82games.com and other sites all the time; I think they&#8217;re really interesting and I agree that statistics can sometimes help explain why certain &#8220;realities&#8221; are not actually so.</p>
<p>My point is simply that in Z&#8217;s case, anything 82games or any other site throws out to support him should not be given as much weight as watching him play with your own eyes.  I don&#8217;t know of any stat that can track &#8220;players who most frequently disrupt the flow of a game,&#8221; but with the three things I mentioned (missed tip-ins, travels, foul trouble), Z disrupts the flow of the game more frequently than is acceptable for an eight-year, highly-paid veteran who is supposedly an integral part of the offense.  </p>
<p>When you factor in all the stats, his experience, and his salary (which to my knowledge 82games.com doesn&#8217;t do), the criticism is warranted.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen and heard &#8220;experts&#8221; say that aside from LeBron, Z is the &#8220;key&#8221; to many games; I even heard this during the Washington series.  Well, he&#8217;s so &#8220;key&#8221; that he has routinely been benched during the playoffs; the only reason why he has not lost the starting job is because the coaches probably don&#8217;t want to cause team conflict.  </p>
<p>I hope he is traded in the offseason.  Nice person, for all I know or have read, but not a good complement to LeBron in the Cavs&#8217; push for a championship team.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 15:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian wrote today's Daily Dime on espn.com



&lt;a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060514" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060514&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian wrote today&#8217;s Daily Dime on espn.com</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060514" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060514</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Andress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Andress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 14:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, of course YOUR eyes tell you the whole of the Cavs improvement is solely because of James' growth. To say otherwise would mean you'd have to give at least some credit to the people that assembled (or re-assembled this team), and this flies in the face of your season-long harangues about the Cavs management. 



So, of course you're going to "see" that these moves were of no consequence and all the improvement was LeBron and of course "common sense" is going to tell you that the signings were irrelevant to Cav improvement. You're heavily invested in those opinions. 



This is why I sought out a variety of statistical indices to shed light on the situation. Sometimes what we "know" is based very heavily on what we want to be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, of course YOUR eyes tell you the whole of the Cavs improvement is solely because of James&#8217; growth. To say otherwise would mean you&#8217;d have to give at least some credit to the people that assembled (or re-assembled this team), and this flies in the face of your season-long harangues about the Cavs management. </p>
<p>So, of course you&#8217;re going to &#8220;see&#8221; that these moves were of no consequence and all the improvement was LeBron and of course &#8220;common sense&#8221; is going to tell you that the signings were irrelevant to Cav improvement. You&#8217;re heavily invested in those opinions. </p>
<p>This is why I sought out a variety of statistical indices to shed light on the situation. Sometimes what we &#8220;know&#8221; is based very heavily on what we want to be true.</p>
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