Comments on: My ballots http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/ George Thomas on the Cavs Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:36:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: MQ http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/#comment-684 MQ Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:21:59 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/?p=53#comment-684 Also, it's ridiculous that Isiah, Kidd, and Stockton never won a single MVP between them and now we are talking about Nash winning two in a row. Do you really think Nash is the greatest point guard of all time? The other candidates have all at least taken their team to the championship series, which Nash has been unable to do on two talent-laden teams now. Also, it’s ridiculous that Isiah, Kidd, and Stockton never won a single MVP between them and now we are talking about Nash winning two in a row. Do you really think Nash is the greatest point guard of all time? The other candidates have all at least taken their team to the championship series, which Nash has been unable to do on two talent-laden teams now.

]]> By: MQ http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/#comment-683 MQ Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:14:34 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/?p=53#comment-683 Nash is absurdly overrated. Consecutive MVP awards? Please, give me a break. He got his MVP, he doesn't deserve multiple ones, that would put him among the game's all-time greats. At *best* he's John Stockton playing in a more up tempo offense. That makes him very good but not one of the top few players of all time. Nowitzki, Kobe, and Lebron should all be ahead of him in the balloting. Nash just gets votes because people can identify with the plucky-little-white-guy stuff. Nash is absurdly overrated. Consecutive MVP awards? Please, give me a break. He got his MVP, he doesn’t deserve multiple ones, that would put him among the game’s all-time greats. At *best* he’s John Stockton playing in a more up tempo offense. That makes him very good but not one of the top few players of all time.

Nowitzki, Kobe, and Lebron should all be ahead of him in the balloting. Nash just gets votes because people can identify with the plucky-little-white-guy stuff.

]]> By: Marc http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/#comment-682 Marc Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:34:28 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/?p=53#comment-682 Nash is overrated because he doesn't play an oz. of defense. His Suns give up 102 points per game, which is why they will never win a championship under Nash. Their strategy is similar to the Lakers... score as many points as we can in 48 minutes and hope that the other guys miss more than we do. That's not to say that LeBron plays stellar defense by any means. Of the three, I think Kobe plays the best on ball defense. That being said, nobody fills passing lanes like LeBron, although his on ball defense suffers because he's always looking for a steal. When Bron is a ten year veteran like Kobe, he'll have learned when to fill the lanes and when to stay on his man. In the meantime, the Cavs 50 wins are more impressive than the Lakers win totals. Sans Phil Jackson, Kobe had a rough go at it last year. But the boyz have bought into the triangle this year and it shows. Their 40-something wins could be contributed to two things... Phil Jackson's offensive genius and Kobe's habit of hogging the ball. Kobe's Lakers were only 18-12 against the "pathetic east". I think it's impressive to see the the Cavs win 16 against the West, considering they did it under a rookie coach with shooters who couldn't find their shot for most of the season. If Amon Ones and 'Yell were shooting a little better, LBJ would have easily averaged another 2 assists per. MVP should go to the most complete player. Let the reign of King James begin. Nash is overrated because he doesn’t play an oz. of defense. His Suns give up 102 points per game, which is why they will never win a championship under Nash. Their strategy is similar to the Lakers… score as many points as we can in 48 minutes and hope that the other guys miss more than we do.

That’s not to say that LeBron plays stellar defense by any means. Of the three, I think Kobe plays the best on ball defense. That being said, nobody fills passing lanes like LeBron, although his on ball defense suffers because he’s always looking for a steal. When Bron is a ten year veteran like Kobe, he’ll have learned when to fill the lanes and when to stay on his man.

In the meantime, the Cavs 50 wins are more impressive than the Lakers win totals. Sans Phil Jackson, Kobe had a rough go at it last year. But the boyz have bought into the triangle this year and it shows. Their 40-something wins could be contributed to two things… Phil Jackson’s offensive genius and Kobe’s habit of hogging the ball. Kobe’s Lakers were only 18-12 against the “pathetic east”.

I think it’s impressive to see the the Cavs win 16 against the West, considering they did it under a rookie coach with shooters who couldn’t find their shot for most of the season. If Amon Ones and ‘Yell were shooting a little better, LBJ would have easily averaged another 2 assists per.

MVP should go to the most complete player. Let the reign of King James begin.

]]> By: Shaun http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/#comment-681 Shaun Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:59:07 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/?p=53#comment-681 Not much to add here, except that I strongly agree with Alan's assessment that paid team broadcasters should not be allowed to cast award ballots. While I think LeBron is a valid MVP selection, you would have to strongly question Reghi's motivations. Not much to add here, except that I strongly agree with Alan’s assessment that paid team broadcasters should not be allowed to cast award ballots. While I think LeBron is a valid MVP selection, you would have to strongly question Reghi’s motivations.

]]> By: Phi http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/#comment-680 Phi Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:17:45 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/?p=53#comment-680 boo tucker boo tucker

]]> By: Phi http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/#comment-679 Phi Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:16:33 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/?p=53#comment-679 Uhh, in particular his entire team. That's why I wrote his teammates. What..does he make them worse? Are Nash and Kobe more valuable to their teams than James is to his. You're definitely not a "homer" you're a HATER. BRON FOR MVP Uhh, in particular his entire team. That’s why I wrote his teammates. What..does he make them worse? Are Nash and Kobe more valuable to their teams than James is to his. You’re definitely not a “homer” you’re a HATER. BRON FOR MVP

]]> By: Alan Tucker http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/#comment-678 Alan Tucker Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:32:25 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/?p=53#comment-678 Makes his teammates better???? Precisely who? James is a great player, but please. Makes his teammates better???? Precisely who? James is a great player, but please.

]]> By: Phi http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/#comment-677 Phi Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:54:53 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/?p=53#comment-677 If LeBron was in the Phoenix system his numbers would drawf Nash's. Lebron makes his teammates better despite Mike Brown's non existent offense. Bron' for MVP If LeBron was in the Phoenix system his numbers would drawf Nash’s. Lebron makes his teammates better despite Mike Brown’s non existent offense. Bron’ for MVP

]]> By: larry d. http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/#comment-676 larry d. Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:20:45 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/?p=53#comment-676 I'm sorry Alan but I wouldn't say the shooting percentages of Nash's teammates are far better across the board. Raja Bell's shooting, for instance, has increased from .454 to .457 since coming to Phoenix in the offseason. Most of the players on that team are on the ascent, as far as their career arcs go, so it's really a chicken-and-egg argument anyway. I also think the mighty Western Conference might be overrated nowadays. The Lakers, Sacramento, Seattle, Houston, Utah, Portland and Minnesota have regressed. Denver, Memphis and the Clippers sure aren't as impressive as some of those teams used to be. I’m sorry Alan but I wouldn’t say the shooting percentages of Nash’s teammates are far better across the board. Raja Bell’s shooting, for instance, has increased from .454 to .457 since coming to Phoenix in the offseason.

Most of the players on that team are on the ascent, as far as their career arcs go, so it’s really a chicken-and-egg argument anyway.

I also think the mighty Western Conference might be overrated nowadays. The Lakers, Sacramento, Seattle, Houston, Utah, Portland and Minnesota have regressed. Denver, Memphis and the Clippers sure aren’t as impressive as some of those teams used to be.

]]> By: Alan Tucker http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/2006/04/17/my-ballots/#comment-675 Alan Tucker Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:54:53 +0000 http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/?p=53#comment-675 Using points as the barometer is in itself flawed. The shooting percentages are a better barometer. Nash makes everybody far better and gets them far easier shots. He gets everybody involved. And to win in the West is a serious accomplishment. Larry, how soon you and everybody else forgets how rotten the Suns used to be. Just two years ago, they were 29-53, and that included Marion. Now suddenly they have a rich "collection of shooters?" Please. Even a stiff like Damon Jones can become a decent shooter if O'Neal and Wade are leaving him wide open to meditate. By the way, why, out of only 127 media votes cast, are paid team broadcasters permitted to vote for their own team's players, let alone permitted to vote at all? It's ridiculous. Expecting Michael Reghi to cast an MVP vote for anybody but his own guy is like eating lunch with an elephant and asking him to pass the peanuts. Using points as the barometer is in itself flawed. The shooting percentages are a better barometer. Nash makes everybody far better and gets them far easier shots. He gets everybody involved. And to win in the West is a serious accomplishment.

Larry, how soon you and everybody else forgets how rotten the Suns used to be. Just two years ago, they were 29-53, and that included Marion. Now suddenly they have a rich “collection of shooters?” Please. Even a stiff like Damon Jones can become a decent shooter if O’Neal and Wade are leaving him wide open to meditate.

By the way, why, out of only 127 media votes cast, are paid team broadcasters permitted to vote for their own team’s players, let alone permitted to vote at all? It’s ridiculous. Expecting Michael Reghi to cast an MVP vote for anybody but his own guy is like eating lunch with an elephant and asking him to pass the peanuts.

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