As you may or may not know, former Browns head of personnel Mike Lombardi now helps run National Football Post. It's slowly gained a reputation of having credible, accurate news and rumors.
One of the latest from Lombardi's Sunday notes column is that the Browns have been offered a first-round draft pick for quarterback Brady Quinn but the team is holding out for more.
So now we turn this to you, the fans. Would a first-round pick be adequate compensation for Quinn, the No. 22 pick in the 2007 draft?
Vote in the poll and/or tell us in the comments.
Loading ...The Browns have also, according to Lombardi, been offered a first rounder for Braylon Edwards. The team will also bring in Texas Tech wide receiver Michael Crabtree in for a visit today, according to Gil Brandt of NFL.com.
Of course you trade Quinn for a 1st round pick and possibly a 6th or 7th rounder thrown in. If you draft a QB in the second round, and take two Defensive players in the first, you could groom a new QB behind Anderson this year.
Because of the new regime, you just KNOW it'll be a losing season anyways, and Mangini shouldn't have any qualms about gutting the team as he sees fit. But if we could somehow swing two first rounders and two second rounders, and build our defense up with three of those four picks? For the future? I think it's worth it.
If you can get a 1st and 4th…..of course you trade him.
u know, were always going to suck….KEEP QUINN AND MAYBE THINGS WILL CHANGE!!!!!
gutting the team? bill beli-ache-ing ourselves into last place oblivion?
what i wish is that these two nonsensical losers will resign and get out of browns history before they prove their worth…zilch
and i truly think bray-lon edwards wants to leave, which is why he had hands made of glass last season….goodbye, good riddance, and we'll take THAT first rounder and keep Brady Quinn
gutting a team is what losers do…winners build.
gutting covers up a lot of stupidity. belichek wasn't a winner until he lucked out with personnel and learned how to cheat.
Hell yea you trade him for a first round pick because he is only worth a second or third round pick, if that. He sucks!! He sucked in college and he sucks now. And please do not quote me stats….he had four years to accumalate them. Plus the biggest stat is wins during championship games, and he none of those!!
The Browns are willing to trade Quinn for a first-round pick, huh? Here's a newsflash: Quinn himself WAS a first-round pick… don't the Browns want to at least see how he performs as the titular starting QB? If Mangini wants to come in and clean house, he had better have a plan in mind.
This team has let itself become the kitchen junk-drawer of the NFL, not far behind the Lions in terms of production on the field. Until they get away from this "rebuilding" mindset they'll never field a contending team. Rebuilding gets to be a mantra, a way of life… all a coach ever has to do is shrug his shoulders at every bad play and say, "What do you expect? We're rebuilding."
I don't think we've had time to see what Quinn can do, and Anderson is a lost cause. I suppose if you can get three early picks for Quinn and pick up a decent QB, then maybe, but I think we need to start building with some consistency and stop suffling players around every year.
THANK you, AJ, for pointing out what *should* be freakin' obvious to everyone, but some people just won't accept it: BRADY QUINN *IS* a 1st ROUNDER. Why are we trading OUR guy…just because someone ELSE wants him? Doesn't that TELL you something, Kok/ini? Nobody would be clamouring for our JUNK….this guy has talent, value, and it goes WAY beyond what he does on the field.
Brady Quinn can be the face of the franchise for the next decade+. For a team which has no identity whatsoever ON the field, and a groundswell of fan APATHY off the field, Quinn is the ONLY thing the Browns have going for them right now. If Randy Lerner allows Quinn to be traded, that's IT. I'm done…and I GUARANTEE you that tens of thousands throughout NE Ohio and across the country will be COMPLETELY done with the Browns' inept debacle for good.
Yes, trade him.
Reasons:
1.) He does not have confidence to throw further than 15 yards from line of scrimmage. Teams will load up the line and pressure us into turnovers-trust me.
2.) He had his chance to shine and he didn't!
3.) In his college career during big games he never played good-not once.
4.) His value will be higher now because some teams desperately need a body at QB.
5.) The Browns are going nowhere anyways so we might as well trade him now.
I believe Brady Quinn is the lifeline to return the Browns back to the glory years. He is what Bernie Kosar was to the Browns in the 80s – a local kid who loves the team, the city and the fans and wants to play in Cleveland. He has not been given a chance to become the quarterback of the future for this team. I can't imagine the Browns trading him at this stage without giving him a shot. If I recall, he was the only player Randy Lerner went to watch workout the year he was drafted. Trading Brady I believe would be putting another knife if the heart of Browns fans. This would be a PR nightmare for the team…simular to cutting Bernie and the Indians trading Rocky.
Keep Quinn, trade Anderson, draft Crabtree and keep Braylon. If Braylon continues to be an idiot, then trade him for a 1st. If you get a first for Braylon then you have something to work with. Hopefully you get something for Anderson. At some point you have to commit to a QB, might as well be Quinn. Anderson makes too many bad decisions for a QB. Give Quinn some tools to work with, and then load up on some defense. Believe it or not, the defense didn't kill the Browns in the last 6 games as much as the offense not scoring and staying on the field enough to give the defense a break. Yeah, we have needs there, but you need some skill players. You can get LB's and DB's in rounds 3,4,5,6, and 7. You hired a coach, he can coach them up, that's why you hired him for. (I sure didn't! Where's Marty when you need him!)
Keep Quinn. I think he can become a top quality NFL QB. Braylon puzzles me. He was so very good 2 years ago and so inept last season. Maybe you trade him to the Giants for Hixon and a 2nd rounder since he probably will leave via free agency next year. This season sure seems like another lost cause; except, the quality of competition on their schedule is much less than last year. Maybe we will surprise.
I would like to see Brady given a shot to lead the team. I was a big DA fan until the Cincy game in '07. Great arm ,but zero leadership ability. When Braylon got in his face on the sidelines and he stood there like a mummy;that was certainly an eye-opener to his leadership skills and moxy. I would trade DA and hopefully get a 3rd.rounder and I would also trade Braylon,if he didn't want to commit long term to the team with his contract coming up next year. I have to get a 1st.and 3rd.for him. With the right coaching,he can be great.
It makes sense for Mangini to dismantle the team. It takes the pressure off of him to succeed early. How can he do well when Savage left him with nothing—great excuse.
Dead on Mark.O.
A builder assess, manages his talent and restructures. An incompetent lets everyone go and throws darts at the board. He makes wholesale changes, suggesting only his way is right, and when he fails says "look at the "Rebuilding" I had to do. No look at the tearing down you did so you could say "well this will take a few years". I had hoped for a lot more this time.
Mangini based on what he has done thus far should have one year to achieve 8-8 for openers! To repeat a quote from the past there is only one way to handle his type of mentality he must "JUST WIN BABY"!
Right on with Belichick, what's his record pre Tom Brady, pretty poor!
Only a pathetically horrible franchise would trade Quinn before they figure out what they have with him. The Browns, regardless if it was this regime or the previous regime, traded first and second round draft choices for Quinn. How can anyone say getting a first round choice in return is a good thing? It's pretty simple math when you think about it. In addition, there are no good alternatives on the roster (Anderson? gimme a break!) and why would the Browns want to draft an unproven rookie to replace Quinn with a valuable draft pick that is needed to restock the defense. Don't trade Quinn, focus on bringing in players to help this team and don't create a new hole at QB.
If you keep Quinn, you do not need Braylon or Crabtree. You need Winslow (gone), and JJ (gone). Quinn cannot throw deep (sorry, but that is what he showed, and that was the question mark on him before he got a snap from center). Braylon is a deep threat that cannot run precise routes (lack of willingness), and who refuses to run over the middle (doesn't want to get hurt). Those are what Quinn will need since he is a short/mid range passer. Crabtree is someone who is supposed to stretch the field also. . .but if Quinn can't get it there. . . wasted. Winslow was his outlet and he is gone. JJ plays as an outlet. . .gone. Stallworth. . . probably gone.
Keep DA. Help him with his short game. That can be taught. He is a good mid to long range passer (cannot be taught). Let him stretch the field with the draft picks. Trade Quinn and Braylon. Grab Crabtree if Curry isn't there. Grab Matthews and with one of the two extra picks, and one other LB or WR depending on what is done with #5. Then grab Robiskie (a friend to any qb), and a running back. Then grab safeties and best available with the rest.
I think Quinn can be a competent qb in the NFL. But he should be in a standard west coast offense (I really hope we do not play that boring an offense and it is still questionable what we are going to do). Like Jeff Garcia, who I am not a fan of. . .that is what we have in Brady. I like his confidence, and coolness under pressure. I do not like his skill set. He is definitely a system guy.
I probably would not do it because he has promise and really hasn't had the opportunity to showcase his talent. I would have to think about it though if it were the Lions pick at #1 overall. That would be very tempting. then they might be able to trade the #1 overall for two lower first rounders or a low first and a second. If the Browns could somehow pull that off, they would be getting more in return than what they paid for and they still would have a starting caliber guy in Anderson.
NO! He deserves the starting job. He wanted to play for the Browns. He can be a great QB in the league if given a chance. If you want a trade someone get a first round pick for crybaby B. Edwards.
I missed where Quinn was a first rounder…could someone go back in time for me to clarify AJ Jensen lack of knowledge?
Looks like Mangini is setting up for a deep threat offense…
As for Quinn..he hasn't prooved anything (if he had he would have been QB already). If he does make first string this year, would only be because of popularity..not skills. He'll crash
Once upon a time there was an owner and coach of the Cleveland Browns named Paul Brown. Little do people know that among all of the innovations he brought to the pro game, one of his best accomplishments was instituting an IQ test for any candidate desiring to play quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Names such as Otto Graham, "Doctor Ryan", Milt Plum, Brian Sipe, and Bernie Kosar come to mind. Watching TV interviews when Charlie Fry and DA were the two choices were like watching dumb and dumber. I am tired of watching Browns quarterbacks with nothing upstairs. One can have all the talent in the world but if he makes poor decisions the guy is worthless!!!
James… really?
22nd overall is in the first round. seriously? Are you really going to argue semantics and then lose because of them?
Try knowing what you are talking about before shooting off at the mouth.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/index
OK, once again, let me help everybody out. The Browns are not enamored with D.A. He is as good as gone[Lions,Tampa,Jets... take your pick].Does this mean they are sold on Quinn? No! If Denver wants to knock us out with an offer we'd be crazy not to consider it.So we may enter the season with Sanchez or Freeman and a veteran to back up or break in the rookie and the extra picks to improve the team. I think we should all get used to the idea that both QB's could be gone.Remember, Mangini is Belichick II, a guy who likes to think outside the box and shake things up.
Quinnmania, it infects the brain and makes people come to stupid conclusions.
If they can get a first for Quinn, he should be gone already. The most ridiculous argument against is that he cost us more than just a first. How does that work in your mind? Go back and look at our past first rounders, how many got even that in return? How much you paid has very littel relevance to the selling price.
Browns have been shopping Quinn and denying trade offers for DA because the first thing Mangini did is have his coaching staff watch all the tapes of every game and practice and evaluate talent. At QB they concluded they could win with Anderson but not with Quinn. Quinn was demoted from starter and a competition was announced to keep Quinn's value from falling too far. Although once they let him play and other teams have NFL tape on him his value dropped anyway.
If there is a team that is running a west coast offense, has a couple of great pass catching running backs for Quinn to dump off to, then we should be thrilled to dump off Quinn. We have seen that with the right talent around him Derek is a pro bowl level starter. We have also seen Quinn can not be more than a back up. And not a good back up on a team running an offense with vertical eliments. Quinn is hopelessly inaccurate beyond about a 10 yard pass. Just like his college scouting reports. Poor thrower of the ball, accuracy issues, slow release, poor delivery(one scout said throws like a girl but I will not go there) and borderline arm strength.
A first for Quinn? do it today before that team comes to its senses and changes to a third, his real value.
Let's go to where the real need is:
Randy Lerner is an incompent excuse for a owner. Instead of building upon strengths to improve the team, he hires an egomaniac who wants to tear everything down to put his "stamp" on it! I have been following this team since the early 50's, and, NEVER have I been more frustrated with the actions of this team! As much as I hate the Steelers, I think that they show that good (full-time)ownership is the thing a SOLID franchise needs in this day and age! Randy PLEASE sell the team to someone who WANTS to be involved, and take the "Mangina" with you to help manage the Soccer team that you enjoy so much??? Your Dad must be rolling in his grave with every transaction that's been made since his passing!!!
As a season ticket holder I am pretty tired of getting draft picks, keeping them for a year or so, trading them for more draft picks etc. year after year after year. How in the H… does anyone know how good someone is until the have played for at least 2 full seasons. Keep Brady, give him a chance to see what he can do. Forget all the first round picks and use the picks you have to get a few good players. A good coach should be able to coach what he is given.
This rebuilding every year has got to stop or season ticket holders will not be season ticket holders.
Stop the perpetual rebuilding.
Ken, love your perspective as a season ticket holder. I think I lean toward keeping Quinn if you can get anything (even a third) for Anderson.
I just don't know if I consider what the Browns need to do rebuilding. I think it's just building at this point. Outside of Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach and D'Qwell Jackson, there really is no base to rebuild off of.
Those of you who say Quinn sucks have obviously been on the drumline instead of the ultimate team game. Notre Dame had a horrible Defense in the Quinn years. For them to go 10-3 is proof testament to Quinn and the Offense.
Also, for the tool who said he sucks because he never won a championship; I guess Dan Marino sucked in the NFL too? He never won an NFL championship. Did Dan Fouts suck? Did Charles Barkley or Karl Malone or John Stockton suck in basketball because they never won a championship?
Give Quinn a fricken chance to see what the kid's got!
Those of you who say Quinn sucks have obviously been on the drumline instead of the offensive or defensive line. Football is the ultimate team game. Notre Dame had a horrible Defense in the Quinn years. For them to go 10-3 is proof testament to Quinn and the Offense.
Also, for the tool who said he sucks because he never won a championship; I guess Dan Marino sucked in the NFL too? He never won an NFL championship. Did Dan Fouts suck? Did Charles Barkley or Karl Malone or John Stockton suck in basketball because they never won a championship?
Give Quinn a fricken chance to see what the kid's got!
Also, don't you guys notice that all these teams want QUINN in a trade. Ever hear any "rumors" of a team that wants Anderson? NO, because they don't. They all want Quinn….
I think you guys in Ohio are so blinded and brainwashed by your hatred of Notre Dame that you'd take back Charlie Fishfry if you could trade Quinn for him. Stop looking through your bucknut clored glasses and look at logically.
I'm from another state (Calif.) and my friends and I laugh at how myopic Ohio State fans are.
I think trading Quinn in a great mistake, but if we receive a 1st and 2nd round draft pick, then it would make sense, because we are rebuilding. Also, I would trade DA for a 1st, 2nd and 6th round draft picks. Then, I would draft another QB or sign an available veteran for insurance. LETS REALLY START THE REBUILDIND PROCESS BABY!
Keep Brady, give him the chance he deserves. Trade Derrick for a first round pick. Draft Crabtree or Mecklin at 5 and… Robiskie with the low first you get for Anderson. Tade Braylon for 2 picks and use one to get Clay Mathews III. and a good safety. That would be a good start… one that longtime fans like me, can believe in.
At age 13, my mother and I attended the '64 title game victory over the Colts, in 6 below zero temperatures. I'd like to see the Browns regain that dominant attitude of the 50's and 60's and late 80's. It starts with the draft… and ends with a coach with a chip on his shoulder. Get the picks and get it done!!!!!!!!
i say give him a chance, trade edwards, get crabtree, put anderson out there and maybe pick up a qb with a 2nd round pick
Boy if I would have thought we would be starting from ground zero again I would have rooted more for Romeo. This is insane that every new coach believes they can only coach their own players. If you are a good coach you would be able to coach talented players. We have talented players we just needed a stronger direction and use of our weapons.
How can you even consider getting Braylon after one bad season. Many great receivers have had to overcome the drops early in their career. Even if you love Crabtree could it actually hurt us to have two great receivers to throw too? This forces the defense to pick their poison.
Winslow is the best tight end in the league and we will all find that out in Tampa this year. If you can't control players that are upset over futility then you shouldn't be a coach. Another bad Cleveland personnel decision.
I am not a big Quinn fan but it still makes no sense to get rid of a good quarterback that has yet to prove himself and not have a quality back up on the roster. We all know that Cleveland is injury prone and we have seen things fall apart when you don't have a good #2. So we would be better off keeping him.
It just kills me that Mangini has not seen a single person play and he has already put us further behind than we had been last year. Don't even get me started on releasing Jurevicius.
This is going to be a loooong season before it even starts.
Has anyone heard Kosar's thoughts on the rumors of trading Quinn?
You'd have to get a lot. Who knows which DA is going to show up this year. Advantages to keeping Quinn – he already knows the offense and has promise if he can get playing time. In any event, whoever we start is going to need more help on offense than Jamal Lewis and ol' butterfingers there at no. 1 receiver.
Hmmm another rebuilding year? From what I've been able to determine the only productive rebuilding the Browns are engaged is for other teams. Trading Quinn would be a logical step given this practice. I'm almost to the point that I rue the day the Browns reurned to Cleveland! I was beginning to enjoy Sundays, they return and just ruin them again.
Keep Quinn, trade Edwards, try to deal DA, pick up Crabtree and the best running back and defensive back they can lay their hands on, but I'm not optimistic that management can ever produce even a marginally productive team in the near future. Little Lerner is not his dad and Mangini is not a "Mangenius".
I actually think Quinn will be a decent QB if he can stay injury free and have some , even mediocre, protection. This team needs to reach stibility and revolvong door QB's is not the way to do that.
Sports is getting just like politics. If you say something enough times, people start to believe it regardless of whether there is any underlying basis. Quinn began to drop in the 2007 draft because some "experts" began to question his accuracy. He completed roughly 65% of his passes as a junior and 62% of his passes as a senior. In those two years he threw 69 TD passes vs 14 interceptions. How do these stats translate into being called inaccurate? ND was relevant again because Quinn was playing quaterback and they ceased to be relavant when he graduated. And please don't tell me that he was surrounded by great talent because everyone knows that he was not. Certainly, the talent at ND did not compare to the talent that has surrounded Matt Sanchez at USC, the guy who is rising on everyone's draft board after starting a mere 16 games. With his limited playing time, it may be more appropriate to compare Sanchez to Akili Smith. As for those of you that now believe that Quinn does not have enough arm strength, even the "experts" said that his arm strength was better than average. That Quinn fell into their lap because he dropped so far in the draft was a great stroke of luck for the Browns. Similar to the luck that brought Aaron Rodgers to Green Bay. Rodgers began to fall in the draft for no apparent reason as people began to fall in love with Smith. How much do you think the 49ers would like to have a do over on that one? To send Quinn packing without ever giving him a chance would prove once again that the new Browns ownership is simply unable to select the right management for this team. Clearly, they were hoping that Mangini, in his second head coaching job, would become the Bill Belicek that coaches NE. One difference is that Belicek went back to being a coordinator under Parcells for a few more years before he got another head coaching job. Hiring Mangini immediately after he was fired by the Jets only mangaged to inflate his ego even more. He actually was allowed to select the GM. For Mangini this appears to be all about ego and power. The Browns have not hired another Belicek. The Browns have hired another Butch Davis. If they trade Quinn, it is not likely to end well for the Browns. And remember, the Mangini Jets traded away Pennington, presumably because of his lack of arm strength. While Pennington's are strength is clearly well below average, the Dolphins, a team that had only won a single game the year before, finished ahead of the Jets with Pennington at QB, leading to Mangini being fired.
This story is nothing. Not surprising that they have received a first round offer for Quinn; there is nothing he has shown in limited playing time to suggest that he doesn't have talent. That doesn't mean the Browns plan to trade him. What does "holding out for more?" mean–that the Browns have announced to someone that "You bet we want to trade Quinn, but we're "holding out for more?" Garbage. The
The idiots that are Mangini and Kokonis will probably do the Quinn trade. Never mind the fact that Anderson was 1/2 season wonder. But hey they say, he's got a big arm. And yes, Mangini, a two bit brain.
Quinn's trial under fire was not a complete trial. His line was bad; the offensive game scheme was worse. Give the guy the rock, get him some players who can actually catch the ball, get Lewis untracked and watch Brady roll. I mean it, he can roll out, he can scramble and he can throw it nearly as fair as Two Bit. Meanwhile, every defensive player and coach know where Anderson will be when he's passing. SACK CITY.
Trade Anderson will he still has some value. Trade Edwards since he wants out anyway. Get some skill players in the 2nd round.
And let's build around a QB who excelled in college and actually wants to be a lifetime Brown.
A) DA has NO trade value. A one-year wonder is not "wanted" by any other team in the NFL.
B) BQ is NOT a true first round pick. ONLY the Cleveland Browns were "smart" enough to ransom the next year's draft to move up to take him at #22. NO other team drafting IN FRONT of the Browns picked BQ…including at least FOUR teams who NEEDED a QB. Ever wonder WHY?
C) Crennell/Savage…the brains behind this "first round pick" are no longer affiliated with the Browns. Crennell naming BQ the starter has absolutely ZERO weight with a new coach/GM. By the way….I wonder where the "new" coach/GM had the "savior" rated on THEIR draft board? I highly DOUBT that it was ANYWHERE between #1-22 or even in the top 32.
Go ahead and trade me! See you 8/22 and 11/22!
It's only a 3 hour commute from Avon Lake, Ohio!
90% of the people on here are idiots. Seriously most of you are stupid. I've heard all kinds of shit on here.
In the 30 or so comments Ive read only 2 or 3 have made any sense.
- We need a clutch receiver to replace JJ
- The defense is pathetic, except Shaun Rodgers.
- The reminder that Quinn actually cost a 1st and 2nd round pick.
Bottom Line
-Regardless of how you feel about Quinn, no Quarterback in this years draft is as good a him. Mark Sanchez IMO reaks of Alex Smith.
-Browns only scored 30 points (roughly) twice last years, during Quinns starts. Afterwhich we went 5 consecutive games without an offensive touchdown.
-DA was directly responsible for both Baltimore losses last year.
-This gripe that Braylon wants to double his contract this next year, its onyl because he's already gotten another 5 mill cap added on this year from his signing bonus. Remember 3rd overall pick in 05. We would be eatting that 5 mill for shipping him away. Where else is NY gonna get a "physically talented" reciever as Braylon for 4.5 mill.
-Braylon is an idiot, no heart. ENough reason to get rid of him there, but only for reasonable compensation; which IMO is a first and third.
-Peyton Manning didnt win any "big games" from 1998-2005 season so therefor he sucks right, the other 21 players dont matter. Dan Marino never won the big game in the NFL either, he must suck too right. If anyone actually watched a friggin Notre Dame game and looked at thier record after he left they would see that Quinn carried that team.
-Walsh, maybe some of you real fans heard of him, he's in the Pro Football HoF. Will tell you take what the defense will give you, they give you 10 yard underroute passes then take them all day long. Quinn has an arm, but 2 wks of preparation hardly constitutes the need to throw long. Throwing long is what losers do when they are behind. Mind you we still scored nearly 30 points in both those games Quinn started before tearing the tendon in is throwing finger. 30 Points… didnt look impressive did it, he made it look easy. You know like quality pitching in baseball, you all want HR hitters but pitching is what seals the wins. Remember Jose Mesa.
Dumb shit I've heard
-Cribbs isnt a everydown reciever ??? He's not even techincally a reciever, granted he practices with them. But when you are averaging 30 yards per kick return and leading the special teams on tackles it difficult to get playing time. What an idiot, choke yourself.
Quinn was selected 22nd Overall. Last offensive Player selected was Marshawn Lynch at 12 for Buffalo. Last offensive player slected before him was Miami, where he was projected. Obviously this tells you those teams who drafted players had defensive needs. Miami, well everyone knows that story. Cam Cameron took a 9-7 team and drove them into the ground at 1-15. It should have been no surprise that they would bounce back after getting compentent leadership. Do some research before you say stupid shit, makes you sound ignorant.
BTW The Browns has one of the 2nd easiest schedules in football the year of 10-6. Thier only win that year to a team with a winning record was to Seattle who had the the (1st) easiest schedule in football and we barely won that one at home.
If we trade Quinn he will be buying tickets to NFL games in 2 years.
Of course you take a one for Quinn and the Browns are desperately trying to convince a team to give them one or even an early 2nd.
Putting the story into the media that we have a first on the table for him is designed to spark interest in Quinn. It is the Kokonis way of marketing and advertising that Quinn is very available and allowing him to be able to deny we are marketing him.
Next good ten plus yard throw Quinn makes will be his first he makes in a Browns uniform. None in games, practices or preseason. But fear not he is trying yet another fix for his poor throwing that results in his accuracy problems and he promises this time it will work.
Goodbye Quinn, if only a team can be desperate enough to give us a first.
Start a bad rumor about Stratford, Sanchez and Freeman and maybe a team that wants one of them would settle for Quinn. Heck a team that needs a QB might take White from WV before they trade the pick for Quinn.
When Weiss told his buddy McDaniels to pass on Quinn and take Orton, the chances of dumping Quinn probably ended.
Why bother to read anything Mike Lombardi "writes"? He's a stiff.