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The whole thing was a witch hunt. No CIA agent was outed by anyone.
We learned from the Clinton adminstration that pergury is not punishable for government officals.
What's pergury?
I think it's where you go to wait until they decide if you're going to heaven or the other place.
perjury is the same as mendacious. I'm glad that I had a typo for you to respond to.
smitty wrote:
"No CIA agent was outed by anyone."
Keep telling yourself that. Must keep that illusion up or face the reality that Cheney, Libby, et all are actually traitors.
Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has asserted in new court filings that Valerie Plame was indeed a covert agent at the time of her outing, according to a Newsweek report filed by Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball.
"In new court filings, special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald has finally resolved one of the most disputed issues at the core of the long-running CIA leak controversy: Valerie Plame Wilson, he asserts, was a 'covert' CIA officer who repeatedly traveled overseas using a 'cover identity' in order to disguise her relationship with the agency," Newsweek reports.
Wilson's covert status, which is substantiated in an employment report filed by Fitzgerald, was cited as part of a recommendation to sentence former Cheney aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby to up to three years in prison.
According to that report, Plame traveled "sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias — but always using cover — whether official or non-official (NOC) — with no ostensible relationship to the CIA."
The report added, "When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled under a cover identity…At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms. Wilson’s employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."
The finding severely hampers a key defense by Libby's lawyers and supporters who have claimed that, since Plame was not covert, Libby had commited no "underlying crime" in revealing Plame's identity.
Furthermore, Washington Post columnist Dan Froomkin noted that Fitzgerald's court filing further points to Vice President Cheney's involvement in the outing of Plame.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18927332/site/newsweek/page/3/
So let's go with your argument that Clinton *did* commit perjury and get away with it? Does that make it OK for Scooter not to be held accountable for his crimes. 'Waaaaaa Waaaaa, life is not fair….."
Look up Victor Rita and tell me why he is not getting off scot free?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_07/011621.php
I repeat:
"No CIA agent was outed by anyone.”
I have to disagree, Smitty. It looks like Plame has now been outed by Fitzgerald.
Smitty, just because Rush says it doesn't make it true.
In a May 25 sentencing memorandum, special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald wrote that "[a]t the time of the leaks, Ms. Wilson in fact qualified as a 'covert agent' within the meaning of the IIPA" (Intelligence Identities Protection Act). To support this claim, Fitzgerald included an "unclassified summary" of Plame's employment at the CIA — which had been given to Libby's defense team in June 2006 — stating that the CIA "declassified and now publicly acknowledges the previously classified fact that Ms. Wilson was a CIA employee from 1 January 2002 forward and the previously classified fact that she was a covert CIA employee during this period." The "unclassified summary" established that she had headed a counterproliferation operation focused on Iraq and had traveled overseas in an undercover capacity in the five years prior to the disclosure of her identity.
I don't listen to Rush. No CIA agent was outed is my statement. It was nothing more than a liberal left witch hunt. Just like to current attempt to out the AG. Dem congress needs to quit playing politics by having constant hearings on the Bush administration and spend more time on immigration problems and health care problems.
So the Plame investigation was a liberal witch hunt? Was it the liberal CIA that contacted the liberal Justice department to investigate her outing? That's what started this whole thing. If there was no crime why did the CIA report her outing to the Justice Department for investigation?
Was it the liberal Attorney General John Ashcroft who eventually had to recuse himself from the case, which lead up to the appointment of Patrick Fitzgerald?
Bush political appointee James Comey named Bush political appointee and career prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald to investigate the Plame leak. Bush political appointee and career prosecutor Fitzgerald filed an indictment and went to trial before Bush political appointee Reggie Walton. A jury convicted Libby, and Bush political appointee Walton sentenced him. At sentencing, Bush political appointee Judge Walton described the evidence against Libby as "overwhelming" and concluded that a 30-month sentence was appropriate. And yet the claim, as I understand it, is that the Libby prosecution was the work of political enemies who were just trying to hurt the Bush Administration.
Maybe it was *conservatives* who hated Bush that did this. Did you ever consider this?
Or maybe our system of Justice actually worked up until a few days ago.
So, I await your facts (or even delusional right-wing theories) to show how this whole thing was a liberal witch hunt. I can't find any liberals in this whole case that had power to move this investigation along.
If you can post that with a straight face, I will just let it go.
The witch hunt I refer to in the congressional hearings on everything to do with the Bush adminstration instead of congress working on important matters like immigration and health care etc.
Yes, facts are very funny, aren't they?
You will let it go because you CAN"T refute those facts.
You have still not said anything to back up any of your empty statements. You are a joke and have been exposed for the simpleton you are.
You can now go back to watching Fox news….
"You will let it go because you CAN”T refute those facts."
I sure could if I saw any. Go watch your
Michael Moore movies and stop bothering me.
Smitty, stop crying. Be a man and buck up, just like those troops will have to now that the Republicans killed Webb's bill to give them time to rest between deployments.
Let's go a different route so I can get your vast insight into this part of the Libby matter:
Why did Bush commute Libby's sentence rather than pardon him? What's the thinking here?
My guess is that he will do a Clinton and pardon him the last day he is in office. Just a guess.
Smitty, you did not answer my question. Let me repeat it. Why did Bush commute the sentence rather than pardon him? Even if he does pardon him on January 19th, 2008 at 11 a.m. I want you to tell me WHY he commuted the sentence at this time rather than pardon him?
I know why. Do you? I know this thinking stuff is hard, so take your time. I'll wait….
"I know why. Do you? I know this thinking stuff is hard, so take your time. I’ll wait…."
Don't hold your breath waiting. You must think you are really so special that you know what another man is thinking. Wow.
Stop avoiding the question. Why do you THINK Bush commuted the sentence rather than flat out pardon him at this time? There has to be a reason. What do you think it is?
I really don't care. As far as I am concerned he could have done either. I'm not the one constantly trying to find fault with everything President Bush does. You are.
You said that "you know" why not that "you think".
So why do "you think" he commuted rather than pardon?
Smitty, it's actually quite simple.
A commutation puts up more roadblocks by keeping Libby’s appeal of his conviction alive and his Fifth Amendment rights intact. He can’t testify without risking self-incrimination.
If Bush pardoned Libby, Libby could be called before Congress to testify and could not use the Fifth Amendment as an excuse to not answer questions.
Bush and Cheney cannot take the chance that Libby will be compelled to spill the beans on their involvement and a pardon opens the door for that to happen, while a commutation does not.
It's as simple as that.
A full pardon of Libby will happen just as Bush walks at the door. But until then let the obstruction of justice continue.
That you don't care is the saddest statement of all.
Congratulations to jim, who finally got Smitty to give him an opening for his take on the matter!
But didn't Smitty say Bush would give Libby a pardon his last day in office about four replies ago?
larry, i thnk you miss the whole point…
"larry, i thnk you miss the whole point…"
He figured you out and you come back with this??
I know it's tough to have someone shove your own words down your throat.
I got the point and I'm sure you're probably right, jim, and I wasn't trying to push words down throats. I like reading the posts.
I can't say I care that much about the political infighting surrounding Plame, Bush, Libby, etc., though, and am not sure why anyone would think that's sad. Everyone associated with the controversy comes off poorly, which is pretty much business as usual in Washington these days.
larry d says….
"Everyone associated with the controversy comes off poorly, "
I realize your statement is meant to be a catchall for all political players, but how is it that the jury, the prosecutor, the judge, the appellate judges "come off poorly"?
And what is the "controversy", exactly, that you mention? Or is it more accurate to state that only Bush supporters, and MSM Knee Padders say this case was a "controversy"?
If you realize my statement is meant to be a catchall for all political players, how can you ask how I feel the jury, the prosecutor, the judge and the appellate judges "come off poorly."
Of course if you're implying they are simply political players, then I'd say they do come off poorly.
Maybe you're just too smart for me.