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Endangering U.S. Troops To Regain Power?

by The Reverend on September 8, 2010

in 2010 election,conservatives,disinformation,fearmongering,GOP,intolerance,media,moral values,religion,sarah palin

Down in Florida there is a pastor of a tiny Christian group who is organizing a "burn a Koran" day for this Saturday, 9-11. Corporate media, following it's own lead of wall to wall coverage of the Park 51 project "nontroversy", is paying a lot of attention to this "burn a Koran" project.

From the International Burn a Koran Day site on Facebook, we find this….

On September 11th, 2010, from 6pm – 9pm, we will burn the Koran on the property of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, FL in remembrance of the fallen victims of 9/11 and to stand against the evil of Islam. Islam is of the devil!

If you want to get a taste of the poison I often say religion injects into everything…..read a few of the comments here.

As of this morning, even though General Petreaus has warned that burning Korans in a public display will directly endanger American troops….no Republican has come forward to denounce the planned burning.

This ignorant pastor has the right to do what he's planning to do on 9-11. Just as Americans are granted permission through the first amendment to burn the American flag in protest…..so too, Pastor Terry Moran and his tiny flock in Gainesville, Florida.

It would have been better if corporately-compromised media would have simply ignored Pastor Moran…..even though burning Korans fits in nicely with conservative America's current hatefest against Islam as witnessed in Murfeesboro, Tennessee and Manhattan, New York.

The timing of all this Islamic hate from American conservatives is curious. It all seems to be happening at the same time that Republicans are pounding their chests about retaking Congress in November. The ugly hatefest against Islam seems to have blossomed immediately after Palin Twittered her "pls refudiate" Tweet.

Probably just a coincidence.

Conservatives and Republicans in America are our Great Defenders and Protectors……and ever since the GOP's Queen Bee, Sister Sarah, told "peaceful Muslims" to "pls refutiate" Park 51…..conservatives and Republicans have responded in defense of America, and the Queen Bee, by smearing, denouncing and just basically hating on Muslims.

Here's a pastor who has a few more church members than the 50 members the hick Pastor Moran claims. Here is "prominent Pastor Robert Jeffress of the First Baptist Church of Dallas"…..

Dontcha' just love the Christian love, the Christian longsuffering tolerance for those who don't share the same faith in invisible stuff as they do? Quite impressive, really. No doubt, Jesus would be proud.

Is there evidence that Islam is a religious breeding ground for pedophiliacs? Well….no….

Robert A. Hunt is a professor of theology at Southern Methodist University and a scholar on Islam. Is he aware of any evidence to support Jeffress' statements on pedophilia? "None whatsoever," he said.

Where is this pedophilia stuff coming from?…..

While Muhammad did marry a 9-year-old as one of his wives, Hunt said it is unfair to apply modern Western standards across cultures and centuries.

Islamic tradition holds that the girl was chosen by God. She became an important religious figure in Islam as a trusted source of sayings from Muhammad.

Muhammad lived during the 8th century.

Professor Hunt goes on….

"There is a very, very small minority of Muslims – radical Islamists or jihadists, they're called – and they draw their power from the assumption that Islam is at war with the West and that the West is at war with Islam.

"Anything that appears to make that more credible to Muslims will increase support for the jihadists."

Today's question: Are conservatives and Republicans spreading the U.S.-troop-endangering message that America is at war with Islam in order to keep their voter base excited and angry enough to return Republicans to Congressional power?

Could it all be just that simple?

  • Da King

    I knew the moment I heard about this idiotic Koran-burning preacher that you'd try to blame conservatives and Republicans for it. You are truly shameless.

    Btw, Fox News has been condemning him all morning.

  • larry d.

    So are you saying Muhammed was a pedophile, Reverend? Or are you arguing that the little girl was chosen by God for forced marriage and rape? I'm not sure I follow where you're going with that one.

  • averagejoe5

    This is exactly what I mean about f**ked up leaders in our country, whether they be religious or political or academic or our media. The Republicans nor Democrats should speak out to this wacko. He is trying to make a name for himself for a minute and the church should be shutting him down just like the guy that protests the funerals of fallen soldiers.
    Mainstream Christians do not believe in the things these wackos do. They seem to find a cause and base their whole ministry on this one cause ie:gays, abortion, etc.
    It is embarassing to me to see this stuff because this is what the mainstream media will pick on and use as an example of all Christians. It's amazing the things people will follow.
    As far as no one saying anything. Rest assued, I just sent him a message.(like that matters, huh.LOL)

  • averagejoe5

    "The Republicans nor Democrats should speak out" I meant they SHOULDN'T have to speak to him.

  • Da King

    Also, btw….Petraeus is a Republican, genius.

  • Da King

    I think the Reverend is saying pedophilia was hunky-dory back in the 8th century…as long as it was Muslims doing it.

    But I admit, it's difficult for me to keep up with the Reverend's contradictions.

  • The Reverend

    Actually, I wasn't saying anything.

    The point of me including the 8th century was to shine a light on how long ago….13 centuries…..the story that the wingnuts are drooling about…..is reported to have happened.

    If wingnuts want to start comparing vile religious practices or traditions…..we can have at it…..'cause I ain't shy….but I doubt whether true wingers have the stomach for it.

  • The Reverend

    I agree, average.

  • The Reverend

    Didn't spend much time on Moran in my post. Small wingnut potatoes.

    Any thoughts about the Big Church Pastor from Dallas? Kind of sounds like Palin's campaign followers and some of the Tea Partiers….not you, of course.

    You often confuse "shameless" with honesty…..that's my take.

    Glad that Fox waited until the winger memo came out this morning to condemn the obvious.

  • larry d.
  • averagejoe5

    Whoooaa! WTF? After reading this guys book of rules in larry's link. This guy is an out and out nut. Nothin Christian about him. Who would listen to him??

  • The Reverend

    Sounds like some of the nuns I've heard about from the 60's and 70's.

    How about the Dallas Baptist mainstream preacher-guy? Any comment about the mainstream, down-the-middle Baptist?

  • The Reverend

    Corporate media is listening to him.

  • Da King

    Trying to pretend that conservatives support this Koran-burning preacher is not honest. 99% of them don't support such a thing. That's why your comments are shameless. You try to project the exact opposite of the truth.
    Btw, Palin came out against the book burner, not that I ever expected she wouldn't. Your view of her and the Tea Parties is myopic, to put it nicely.

    The Dallas preacher isn't helping matters any. He sounds like the Muslims in the Middle East, without the constant death threats, of course.

  • Da King

    Hey ! Now you gonna dis my nuns from the 60's ??? I don't think so ! Ji-haaaad !!!!

    They were all quite nice, actually…….except for Sister Noreen. That was one scary broad.

  • Da King

    They just do it for ratings.

  • Da King

    Another thing I found interesting about the lone book-burning pastor was the reaction to him overseas. From their reaction, you'd think Obama was holding a national Koran-burning day on the White House lawn. The pastor has received tons of death threats. Muslims are rioting in Afghanistan and Indonesia over this one nut, with the usual calls for jihad and "Death To America," even though nearly all of us condemn the book-burning too. One Afghan, who is running for parliament no less, said any American found anywhere in the world would be killed if the book-burning took place.

    Such a hysterical and violent overreaction almost makes our book-burning idiot look….right.

  • The Reverend

    Conservative Tea Party types have been protesting Muslims in New York and California…..and are committing arson against Muslims in Tennessee.

    Thought you would have noticed that Palin started the Muslim bashing frenzy with her Tweet in June. Apparently not.

    Thanks for disagreeing with the Baptist in Dallas. He has a very big, and I bet conservative, flock.

  • The Reverend

    Those protesting Muslims resemble the screeching Muslim haters I've seen near ground Zero recently. What's the point, again?

  • The Reverend

    True…and sad.

  • Da King

    True dat.

  • {SS} Buoy

    There is this little thing called pederasty that is common in the Muslim world.

  • averagejoe5

    Where did you hear the Bouy since homosexuality is punished by death. The reason they allow the little girls is because women are equal to cattle and other farm animals in some of those muslim sects.

    Donald Trump offered the muslims 25% more than the market value for 51 and they refused the offer. Are they holding out for more or is this really the big f**k you by the muslims that most Americans believe it is……most believe the latter as the proof is in the pudding.

  • averagejoe5

    You haven't been watching the TV have you Rev. There is no comparison between the 2 protesters. Again defending the ones that hate America….hhmmmm I never will understand.

  • The Reverend

    Trump is an embarassment.

  • Da King

    Why ?

  • averagejoe5

    Because Rev wants to see the mosque built down there. Trump is just trying to disarm a volatile situation. The truth is that the Muslims are liars and this is about being triumphant over the Trade Center bombings like we suspected from the beginning. This imam doesn't even have the money to build this thing and he won't take 25% more that it's value? This like I said is a big F U to America.

  • The Reverend

    Mainly the hair.

  • The Reverend

    Nothing volatile about the situation that I can see. Have you seen threats from anti-Muslim groups?

    The Iman worked as a liason for George W. Bush. Did Bush employ a terrorist as his trusted envoy? Why would he have done that?

  • Da King

    Give it a rest, Rev. According to the polls, about 65-70% of all Americans are against the Ground Zero mosque. That's a pretty far cry from being only "conservative Tea Party types."

    And I'm pretty sure the "Muslim bashing frenzy," as you call it, which really isn't a Muslim bashing frenzy at all, and is in reality a few isolated incidents, has a lot more to do with an incident that happened on 9/11/2001, along with many other incidents of that type, than it does a tweet by Sarah Palin. Give me a break already. You're veering into looneyville, and, as usual, stereotyping people.

  • Da King

    What's that got to do with his offer to buy the GZM property ? I thought the flat refusal and denigration of Trump by the Muslims kinda gave the lie to some of their previous rhetoric.

  • Da King

    If you can't see anything volatile about the situation, you can't see at all.

  • larry d.

    The message of Rauf and his wannabe-culturally-sophisticated American apologists is lost on most Americans because it's completely beside the point. Americans do not need to better understand or accommodate peaceful Muslims anymore than we need to better understand or accommodate peaceful Hindus or Wiccans. The vast majority of Americans tolerate peaceful people from all religions just fine.

    What would be helpful is better understanding of why apparently Westernized, moderate Muslim leaders like Rauf aren't working to topple Muslim regimes that suppress dissent, stone women in the streets, execute homosexuals, chop of criminals' hands and heads, and sponsor international terrorism. Or why moderate Muslim leaders like Rauf won't condemn loud calls for Jew-hating genocide by Muslim heads of state. Or why Westernized moderate Muslim leaders are often caught raising funds for terrorist organizations and spewing Jew-hate at rallies and meetings. Or why moderate Muslim leaders like Rauf can't condemn terrorism without the caveat that America brings it upon itself. Moderate Muslim leaders do not attempt to explain these things, and if questions are asked they simply re-introduce the red herring of our need to better understand peaceful Muslims.

  • The Reverend

    Trump is a poser….the worst America has to offer….and should never be taken seriously today by anyone.

    He's poking his obnoxious nose where it doesn't belong…and should just STFU.

  • The Reverend

    Everything is volatile all the time now…right?

    However, I haven't seen any militia threats or fundamentalist Christian threats to the Muslims working on Park 51….at least not yet. That's why I don't consider the park 51 project as volatile.

    This is entirely political posturing….Sarah style….nothing substantive about any of it, and THAT is no surprise whatsoever.

  • The Reverend

    Two long paragraphs…..wow.

    Fair enough. Now allow me to respond.

    First….this is triumphalistic arrogance….

    "Americans do not need to better understand or accommodate peaceful Muslims anymore than we need to better understand or accommodate peaceful Hindus or Wiccans."

    Americans are mostly good people….but, sorry, when it comes to tolerance of others, we haven't reached the promised land just yet.

    Second….why would you call it "accommodation" when Muslim Americans exercise their equal rights?

    Yes, the majority of Americans are tolerant…but it's that minority that makes all the ruckus, no?

    Your second paragraph contains a meme that's been spun for 9 years now. Not that you are a Fox disciple…but Fox-types have stated for years that moderate Muslims in America aren't doing enough to tamp down foreign radicalization of Muslims. The implication is, as yours is, is that moderate American Muslim leaders are at least partially responsible for foreign radicalization of Muslims because they don't speak up often enough, or loud enough, denouncing it.

    I don't buy that argument…..but even if I did, that's exactly what Rauf has been doing for a very long time. He's been trying to bridge the divide through international dialogue with Muslims. That's why Bush recruited him.

    And yet, conservative Fox-types demonize him for doing what they say they want Muslim leaders to do.

    Thirdly…..you have no evidence of "loud calls" against Jews by Muslim national leaders. Ahmadinajab was mistranslated…..and I haven't seen one example from another Muslim leader since his words were misconstrued by conservative opportunists in America.

    Fourth…..just because you resist recognizing America's part in causing Islamic extremism doesn't mean that others agree. Recognizing one's faults and sins is the first step towards redemption. Rauf is an objective person simply stating the facts…..our foreign policy over decades has helped radicalize some Muslims, even Ron Paul agrees.

    Thanks for speaking your mind.

  • Da King

    Rev,
    On his recent trip overseas, Rauf, by his own admission, didn't even bring up the Ground Zero mosque issue. He said it was because he didn't want to inflame the passions of Muslims in the Middle East. Now, why in the world would moving one mosque a few blocks further away from Ground Zero, so as not to appear insensitive to the feelings of Americans at the site of the largest terrorist attack in the history of our country, which was carried out in the name of Allah, inflame Muslim passions when NYC already has 100 mosques, when America already has 2,000 mosques ??????????? This is what I don't understand, especially coming from Muslims in the Middle East, who are so intolerant of other religions at the same time they are so hypersensitive to any slight against their own religion. How can these hypersensitive people also be so callous regarding the feelings of Americans on this issue ? Something is amiss.

    What Rauf should have done is explain to Muslims overseas that America is not against Islam, that America is not against mosques, but building at this particular site is viewed by most Americans as rubbing salt in the wounds of the 9/11 attack and the families of the victims. What he should have done was be the moderate he makes himself out to be, be the man who brings people together, as he makes himself out to be. Instead, he stokes the fears of more terrorist attacks against us if we don't capitulate. Eff him.

  • larry d.

    I call it accommodation because we've already done it via their constitutional rights, Reverend. We don't need to accommodate any further than our laws already dictate. Peaceful Muslims are accommodated, they are tolerated, even to the point of leftjobs like you fetishizing them. That stuff is a red herring and we don't need lectures about it. We need to understand why so-called moderate Muslims often don't seem all that moderate, tolerant or accommodating.

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