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A Case Study In Disinformation

by The Reverend on September 26, 2009

in Barack Obama,climate change,disinformation,media

In a capitalistic society like ours where even "news" is consumed according to brandname, FOX, NBC etc, just like Cheerios or Wheaties……disinformation becoming rampant, I guess, is inevitable.

Today's capitalistic information providers seem to be pulling off the impossible, i.e., convincing Americans that they can have whatever facts they so desire. A kind of designer-news-and-information boutique, if you will, where whatever you want to believe, or already believe to be true,….is, viola!….true.

My good blog friend Da King provides today's case study on this topic.

Da King on Wednesday

"Right now, we have a majority government who is telling you that what's best for you is to have the government FORCE you to buy health insurance, and next up, they are going to tell you that adding over $1,700 to your annual utility bills is a really great idea."

The $1700 in that sentence is disinformation. It is not remotely true. Here's where it came from…..

A group calling themselves the Competitive Enterprise Institute filed a Freedom of Information Act to the Treasury Department back in April asking for all documents, "concerning proposals or programs….involving cap and trade schemes that deal with carbon, carbon dioxide, or greenhouse gases."

The Treasury responded on September 11. This is the "information" the Treasury released from which Da King's disinformation was derived….

"In his Feb. 24, 2009 Joint Session address, Pres. Obama called for a greenhouse gas cap-and-trade program, underscoring his commitment to domestic climate policy. While such a program can yield environmental benefits that justify its costs, it will raise energy prices and impose annual costs on the order of (redacted) dollars. At the same time, given the Administration's proposal to auction all emission allowances, a cap and trade program could generate fedeal receipts on the order of $100 to $200 billion annually……"

Here is the problem that led to Da King's insistence that Obama's cap and trade policy would raise everyone's electric bill by $1700 per year:

See the emboldened sentence in the above quote?….that's not part of Obama's cap and trade policy proposal, nor is it part of the Waxman-Markey legislation reflecting Obama's proposal. Obama's proposal and Waxman-Markey would not, "auction all emission allowances", it would only auction 1/3 of all emission allowances, thus cutting down the initial cost to power producers….costs that would then, most likely, be passed on to consumers.

The $1700 per year number makes it appear as if average electric bills, if cap and trade goes into effect, would go up by $160 per month….which would be disastrous. But the $1700 per year number has no relationship-in-fact with Obama's proposal or Waxman-Markey cap and trade legislation.

The Competitive Enterprise Institute, either by accident or on purpose, made phony conclusions from the Treasury Department's release of FOIA information. The energy plan by Obama and the Democrats will only auction 1/3 of the carbon credits….not all of them. The CBO estimate is approximately $13 per month in new costs to consumers. Big difference.

How then, did this disinformation get so widely circulated?

John Boehner (Embarrassment-OH) said on PBS Sept. 17th

"It's a cap-and-trade proposal that came through the House that we now find out from the Treasury Department would cost each American family over $1,700 per year."

And then Glenn Beck took it from there…..

"You have what came out today, the outright lies coming out of the White House. I hate to call anybody a liar. You tell me. It’s the cap and trade energy bill. We want to thank our friend Chris Horner at CEI for pointing this out to us.

……

"Look at the document, because in the document, it says “a cap and trade program could generate receipts on the order of $100 to $200 billion annually.” Wow, that’s a lot. In fact, it’s so much it’s the equivalent of hiking personal income taxes by about 15%. Huh. Bigger is always better. That’s $1,761 a year, per household, all of us, every one. "

Then unbelievably, Beck said this….

"I have a question. Did the President of the United States tell the people in Congress about this? Facts are stubborn. Don’t they suck?"

Watch Glenn Beck make a total fool out of himself. It is only slightly better than watching a car wreck in slow motion.

Paul Krugman…a Nobel economist, on Beck's disinformation….

Thus, last week Glenn Beck — who seems to be challenging Rush Limbaugh for the role of de facto leader of the G.O.P. — informed his audience of a “buried” Obama administration study showing that Waxman-Markey would actually cost the average family $1,787 per year. Needless to say, no such study exists.

But we shouldn’t be too hard on Mr. Beck. Similar — and similarly false — claims about the cost of Waxman-Markey have been circulated by many supposed experts.

A year ago I would have been shocked by this behavior. But as we’ve already seen in the health care debate, the polarization of our political discourse has forced self-proclaimed “centrists” to choose sides — and many of them have apparently decided that partisan opposition to President Obama trumps any concerns about intellectual honesty.

Multiply this story exponentially…..and it helps to explain why Americans today hold such contradictory views of the "facts."

Da King was simply passing along bogus information he had received, apparently, from very unreliable, and possibly purposely misleading, sources. Da King was a participant in Glenn Beck's 9-12 event and has said that he watches Beck occasionally. The question now is whether Da King, as other conservatives have been forced to do, will issue a correction.
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Must reads on this topic.

Brad Johnson at Think Progress is all over this disinformation story.

8 Republicans pass along false information.

Media forced to issue retractions..

  • larry d.

    Obama himself has said energy costs will "necessarily" skyrocket under his plans, Reverend. Was he fibbing, too?

  • The Reverend

    Provide the quote and the context, as I have with King's disinformation….and I'll gladly respond.

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  • averagejoe5

    We don't know how much this will cost, just as we don't know how much healthcare will cost because neither program has a detailed bill in place. Seems the DEM/LIBs would rather pass something and then tell us later how much it will cost. Would by a car like that?

    Cap and trade will probably cost middle class taxpayers more than an additional $1700 per year once you figure the cost of it, plus the increase in goods and services. Man you guys are in for a rude awakening…I mean rude. Simpletons. I just don't get it…….

    Wake up! This is just another money making idea brought to you by the Dem party and their special intersts. Here are the main players. Blood and Gore (Generation Investments, Their nickname in their own words.) and Goldman-Sachs. (Did you see they are giving $16B in bonus'. Yeah with a "B". Where did that come from Rev…. Dodd and Frank. hhhmmmmmm

  • Quidpro

    Averagejoe is correct. The cost of the final version of Waxman-Markey is unknown because there is no final version. Yet, thank God. The Senate has not even considered it. But some things are certain.

    First, any type of "cap and trade" scheme will raise huge amounts of money for the federal government. It is a tax. And if the cost to be passed on to consumers is "only" the $13/ month claimed by the Reverand it is still a huge number.

    Second, it will also give the government enormous power. Passage of such a law will insinuate the government into the industrial economy in an unprecedented manner. Once passed, such a law will be subject to amendment and ever changing regulations. Such a law must be interpreted and enforced. Just think of the army of EPA bureaucrats that will be hired.

    Third, government corruption will increase. Some industries and individuals will receive more favorable treatment than others. When government distributes favors or imposes costs, corruption increases. If you want to reduce corruption in government, you must reduce its size, scope and influence. One need not be a prophet to predict a great increase in political corruption if "cap and trade" passes.

  • Da King

    No disinformation from me, Rev. I don't know who the Competitive Enterprise Institute is, but my "disinformation" came from CBS News, who cited that Treasury report as it's source.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/15/taking_liberties/entry5314040.shtml

    And the bottom line is, whether electricity rates go up by $1,761, $800, or whatever, they WILL skyrocket, and that WILL hurt every American family, which was my point.

    The real question is, why are you defending that ?

  • averagejoe5

    Rev, do you realize the government isn't controlling or collecting the toll on these carbon credits. These are going into the commodities market. These will be creating billions if not trillions of capitalist dollars and the libs allowing this will be the ones collecting the change. It's not goin to help the poor or to help lower taxes or to help lower healthcare. It is being funneled toward the top, just like capitalism always has been. Al Gore acts like this is his program afterall he did pay the scientists to lie to everyone and tell us the that "earth has a fever", and he WILL be the one making Billions. as well as all of the lib banks that are left, like Goldman-Sachs. Apprently this is okay with you? Appaerntly it was okay that G-S just gave $16B in bonus money. Is it because these folks and banks support Faux democrat agendas? Rev walt and the rest of you the left leaners here take note. Your party hates you, they aren't interested in what is best for you nor do they care, nor will they do anything to help you that isin't goin to cost you gobs of cash. This is not disinformation, but the truth.
    So as business people we must change our mindset. It is going to happen, so if you want to make alot of money, get in on the IPO's of these companies even if you know it is BS. I know I am. If these goofy social terrorists (Al Gore and the Libs and Obama) want to create this panic, I am going to cash in. Bring on the carbons credits because daddy need a new pair of shoes……LOL

    Gore revealed in the Enquirer how he found out about the earths fever. He shoved a huge thermometer in the earths ass(we'll call it washington and his left followers) and he still doiing it today. He and his cronies are getting high every night and laughing their asses off after every bong hit wondering how stupid people are. Imagine this. A quote heard made by al gore: "ppppffffttttttttgurgle( the sound made when hitting a water bong)…ack…. cough sh*t man can you believe how stupid humans are…..we are gonna be rich, bitches!!!!" " And it's all good because they think is for thier safety". "How do they believe we were able to figure out that were could tell that the oceans rose an inch and the temp went up .5 degrees since 1900. We can tell them anything…Hahahahahahahah."(the sound of them driving to the bank in their hummer limo)

  • walter

    from the CBS story……."An aside: the Center for American Progress incorrectly calls CEI "right-wing," while in truth the group is libertarian and not conservative."

    libertarian is not conservative? You learn something everyday

  • Da King

    No walter, Libertarian is not conservative. Libertarians side with conservatives on fiscal policies, but side with liberals on many social policies.

    I'm glad you learned something. My efforts are not in vain.

  • Da King

    "the earth has a fever."

    I just love that scientific talk from the Goreacle. :-)

  • http://www.cleveland.com bzzzzp

    Your blog is all about disinformation. I gave you specific facts about what was wrong with the poll that you were quoting on Friday.

    Instead of investigating or apologizing for not properly vetting the information, your answer was to play word games.

    I am sure you reject the following statement because it is in the bible. The truth will set you free.

  • walter

    King….when you say but side with liberals on many social policies are you talking about a woman's right to choose?

  • The Reverend

    I've been away for a few days.

    It's interesting to note that while my post here concerns itself with a case study in how disinformation happens…and how quickly, and by who, that disinformation is spread, the comments do not address that narrow point I was seeking to make.

    The post wasn't about global warming, or even cap and trade for that matter. CEI, in my opinion, purposely falsified information. Then the sceaming-memie right wing conspiracy groups, aided by a lazy and gullible main media….went to work spreading lies.

    Yes, electricity prices will increase if CO2 emissions are confronted in any serious way. However, not at $160 per month to consumers…but a vary manageable $13-15 per month. Conservatives, bent on bringing down Obama and the Dems will twist information and lie about anything. That's what happened here.

    And bzzzp…….I set forward the "truth" in this post. No one has rebutted my blog post's thrust….which was a clear case of disinformation spreading. And that "truth" didn't set conservatives "free"….it only made them more entrenched in their biases. "Truth" must be accepted in order for it to have the liberating quality the Nazarene spoke of.

    King….CBS issued a retraction. They owned up to being duped by shady conservatives with an agenda. Now it's your turn to do the same.

  • http://www.cleveland.com bzzzzp

    I have to admit that I have not looked closely at the numbers. I don't know yet if it will cost me $1700 or $170. But I do know that either number is too much, because the entire thing is based upon a lie. The is no evidence of man made global warming. There is no proof that CO2 is related to warming. In fact, if you zoom in on the charts that AlGore shows, you will see that the warming is followed by an increase in CO2.

    Cap & Trade will be used to pay back GE for their support during the election season. (Read NBC, MSNBC)

    It is also a covert way to stunt our economy, in an attempt to let the rest of the world catch or pass us.

    You mock truth when you accuse people of lying about your lie.

  • http://www.cleveland.com bzzzzp

    Oh, and here is a link to the study that you pretended in the above article didn't exist.

    http://www.openmarket.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/FOIA-Cap-andTrade-2009-09-11.PDF

  • The Reverend

    Hey bzzzp…..that's the link from which my post was taken. Just sayin'.

    Breathtaking…..isn't strong enough for this…

    "It is also a covert way to stunt our economy, in an attempt to let the rest of the world catch or pass us.

    You mock truth when you accuse people of lying about your lie."

    You are suggesting that Democrats are purposely trying to stunt America's economy. You call that truth?

    Additionally, when electric companies raise prices so they can make more profits for their shareholders….do you complain? Isn't that like a tax on everybody?

  • averagejoe5

    The Democrats purposely wrecked our economy Rev in 2007 when they didn't step in to stop the fall. Bush had several proposals on the table but they rejected them all. They didn't even offer solutions because they said they couldn't get the votes so they would just wait until they got a super majority and the presidency. They were the ones that messed up the whole thing incliding the banks and the insurance companies etc. starting in the 90's.

  • averagejoe5

    Bush was a lame duck the last 2 years remember. They should have worked togther like when Gingrich and the Republican congress forced Clinton to balance the budget.

  • http://www.cleveland.com bzzzzp

    You got me on the link. OK, I'll play your game, why would you include a link to the document and then include a quote from some that says it does not exist?

    The vast majority of Democrats are decent people. They are just waking up to the fact that your party has been taken over by the far left. Many of which do not have the nation's best interests at heart. (think Van Jones) When they speak of redistributing, they do not always mean internally.

    If it is not meant to stunt the economy, then the other possibility is legislative incompetence. I'll let you pick from the two.

    Utilities are a monopoly. They must submit price increases to the public utilities commission. The commission makes sure that the increases have a business case for them, not just to increase profits. Often that are held to a certain percentage. It used to be 6% for Ma Bell.

    On the other hand, I support any normal business' right to raise prices. If BP wants to add 5 cents to their prices, they have every right to do so. But we as consumers have the right to choose Circle K instead.

  • Da King

    walter asks, "King….when you say but side with liberals on many social policies are you talking about a woman's right to choose?"

    For me – Yes, grudgingly. I don't want abortions to be relegated to the back alleys like they used to be, and that's what would happen if abortions were outlawed. But I'd also like to see partial birth abortions banned except when the life of the mother is truly at stake. I'd also like to see abortions reduced significantly, which is why I also believe in comprehenseive sex education (not abstinence-only). I'd like to see society move away from abortion as much as possible, because at it's heart it sickens me.

    Other Libertarians have to make their own determination, because the Libertarian saying is that your freedom stops at the other person's nose. That creates a paradox in the case of abortion, because a human fetus is a separate human. It isn't the mother. Exterminating it should not be taken lightly, because that extermination takes away all conferring rights of that developing human, which is my major complain with the pro-choice movement. They act like the fetus isn't a consideration at all. It is.

    And before you ask, I also don't have a problem with gay marriage.

  • Da King

    Rev,
    In looking through the CBO information you linked to, the CBO says the following:

    "Although the dollar increase in outof-pocket expenditures stemming from the compliance costs would be substantially larger for high-income households ($1,400) than for low-income households ($430), it would impose a larger proportional burden on low-income households…"

    In light of this, where did you come up with your statement that cap-and-tax would only cost $13 per month ? Are you purposely disseminating disinformation ????????

  • The Reverend

    The true projection increase number is $170 per year. Obama has said he would tax-credit lower income families so they wouldn't be affected disproportionately.

    And this…

    "But I'd also like to see partial birth abortions banned except when the life of the mother is truly at stake."

    …is already the law of the land. What you're suggesting is that doctors can't be trusted to determine the health of the mother. Who should make that determination?

  • Da King

    Doctors should make that determination.

    low-income families don't pay income taxes. Are you saying that Obama is going to raise taxes on the rest of us to pay for those tax-credits ?

    And doesn't that mean the cost of cap-and-trade is even higher than the CBO says for the rest of us, lending more accuracy to MY annual cost figure than yours ? My, my. Look who's peddling disinformation now.

  • The Reverend

    No…and….no.

  • Da King

    You are reduced to making non-arguments. I think you better just admit defeat.

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