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	<title>Comments on: &quot;Tenther&quot; Tim Pawlenty</title>
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		<title>By: XdemXrepub</title>
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		<dc:creator>XdemXrepub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying the 10TH amendment is &quot;redundant&quot; to the Constitution means the same concept had already been made clear elsewhere in the Constitution. If you believe that is true, then how could the federal gov&#039;t operate in violation to the 10th amendment &quot;unknowingly&quot;; and they do all day long as well as with all the rest of the Bill Of Rights. 

Of course who really knows what this person&#039;s (the reverend mutha) definition of &quot;redundant&quot; really means? It could mean the same thing as &quot;grilled cheese&quot; means to me. I mean if we aren&#039;t able to use the founding fathers own words to understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights, that THEY created, then &quot;redundant&quot; is impossible to define. 

Yet this supposed &quot;separation of church and state&quot; was created by using a letter from Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Church; not even in the Constitution. It actually was meant to assure the church that the First Amendment would prevent government influence over their church. Progressives twisted this into blocking religion from any areas of society that the government exerts authority i.e. monopoly government schools.

Progressives invented the &quot;living constitution&quot; concept so they could do whatever they want by changing the intent and definitions to allow unconstitutional actions of the government to &quot;seem constitutional&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying the 10TH amendment is &#034;redundant&#034; to the Constitution means the same concept had already been made clear elsewhere in the Constitution. If you believe that is true, then how could the federal gov&#039;t operate in violation to the 10th amendment &#034;unknowingly&#034;; and they do all day long as well as with all the rest of the Bill Of Rights. </p>
<p>Of course who really knows what this person&#039;s (the reverend mutha) definition of &#034;redundant&#034; really means? It could mean the same thing as &#034;grilled cheese&#034; means to me. I mean if we aren&#039;t able to use the founding fathers own words to understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights, that THEY created, then &#034;redundant&#034; is impossible to define. </p>
<p>Yet this supposed &#034;separation of church and state&#034; was created by using a letter from Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Church; not even in the Constitution. It actually was meant to assure the church that the First Amendment would prevent government influence over their church. Progressives twisted this into blocking religion from any areas of society that the government exerts authority i.e. monopoly government schools.</p>
<p>Progressives invented the &#034;living constitution&#034; concept so they could do whatever they want by changing the intent and definitions to allow unconstitutional actions of the government to &#034;seem constitutional&#034;.</p>
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		<title>By: yoda</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The common thread here, and I will state it clearly and simply, is that &quot;liberals&quot; on the whole almost always side with less freedom and less choice as opposed to more freedom and more personal choice. Be it guns, healthcare or any other &quot;issue&quot; of the day.

There are but 2 exceptions to this rule: Abortion on demand and Marijuana legalization.
Modern day are, without a doubt, conformist at thier very core. They demonstrate thier unfailing willingness to let society at large (the collective) decide for all of us which is the correct route to take in our lives through legislative action.

One thing that is also clearly demonstrated in these comments is that they have an irrational trust of thier own government. No more foolish an attitude has ever been demonstrated in America than this. There is simply no way to explain why so many people can trust thier government with such fervor, having been shown no evidence that said government is capable of successfully doing ANYTHING in it&#039;s charter, other than defending this country militarily. 

I would be happy to conced that the government at large had my best interests in mind and transversely that the government did an effective job simply governing...if it were true. The sad fact is that it is not true and has not been true for at least the last 100 yrs.

No, single government program runs in the black. Not one. Ever. 
Disturbingly, no program that is ineffective is ever ended.

It is lunacy to suggest otherwise, as it is lunacy to have faith in said government to demonstrate effective stewardship of any of the systems within it&#039;s now bloated and expansive charter.

There are two kinds of people in this world. Collectivists and Rugged Individualists.
Guess which group the founders were in? Once the obvious answer rears it&#039;s head, ask your liberal self this; &quot;Why am I at odds with the founding fathers?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The common thread here, and I will state it clearly and simply, is that &#034;liberals&#034; on the whole almost always side with less freedom and less choice as opposed to more freedom and more personal choice. Be it guns, healthcare or any other &#034;issue&#034; of the day.</p>
<p>There are but 2 exceptions to this rule: Abortion on demand and Marijuana legalization.<br />
Modern day are, without a doubt, conformist at thier very core. They demonstrate thier unfailing willingness to let society at large (the collective) decide for all of us which is the correct route to take in our lives through legislative action.</p>
<p>One thing that is also clearly demonstrated in these comments is that they have an irrational trust of thier own government. No more foolish an attitude has ever been demonstrated in America than this. There is simply no way to explain why so many people can trust thier government with such fervor, having been shown no evidence that said government is capable of successfully doing ANYTHING in it&#039;s charter, other than defending this country militarily. </p>
<p>I would be happy to conced that the government at large had my best interests in mind and transversely that the government did an effective job simply governing&#8230;if it were true. The sad fact is that it is not true and has not been true for at least the last 100 yrs.</p>
<p>No, single government program runs in the black. Not one. Ever.<br />
Disturbingly, no program that is ineffective is ever ended.</p>
<p>It is lunacy to suggest otherwise, as it is lunacy to have faith in said government to demonstrate effective stewardship of any of the systems within it&#039;s now bloated and expansive charter.</p>
<p>There are two kinds of people in this world. Collectivists and Rugged Individualists.<br />
Guess which group the founders were in? Once the obvious answer rears it&#039;s head, ask your liberal self this; &#034;Why am I at odds with the founding fathers?&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you divide folks into those &quot;who should&quot; and &quot;who shouldn&#039;t&quot; have certain rights it gets worrisome, alchemist. Once people break laws--by pointing or using weapons, drunk driving, etc.--I have no problem with punishments that include withdrawing those rights and privileges. I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s saying the country would be better without any laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you divide folks into those &#034;who should&#034; and &#034;who shouldn&#039;t&#034; have certain rights it gets worrisome, alchemist. Once people break laws&#8211;by pointing or using weapons, drunk driving, etc.&#8211;I have no problem with punishments that include withdrawing those rights and privileges. I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s saying the country would be better without any laws.</p>
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		<title>By: alchemist</title>
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		<dc:creator>alchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>larry d.  You have a point.  I suppose things would be better in this country if there were no laws and everyone just did whatever they wanted to do whenever they wanted to do.  Perhaps you would like to live that way but I would not.  These posts were not even about gun control but about interpretation of the second amendment so who gives a sh**.  I am really sick of people who only look out for themselves and what they believe and the rest of society be dam***.  Everything is always about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>larry d.  You have a point.  I suppose things would be better in this country if there were no laws and everyone just did whatever they wanted to do whenever they wanted to do.  Perhaps you would like to live that way but I would not.  These posts were not even about gun control but about interpretation of the second amendment so who gives a sh**.  I am really sick of people who only look out for themselves and what they believe and the rest of society be dam***.  Everything is always about them.</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are average citizens who should not drive cars, or drink beer, or raise children, too, alchemist. Should the government crack down on everyone because of those folks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are average citizens who should not drive cars, or drink beer, or raise children, too, alchemist. Should the government crack down on everyone because of those folks?</p>
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		<title>By: alchemist</title>
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		<dc:creator>alchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously  David Reymann, who was running for the Akron City Council and pulled his gun out and pointed it at another candidate is one of those private citizens who should never own a gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously  David Reymann, who was running for the Akron City Council and pulled his gun out and pointed it at another candidate is one of those private citizens who should never own a gun.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can play Founding Father quotes games...or we can re-read the amendment itself...

&quot;A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.&quot; 

No matter how you, yes, construe it, the freaking purpose clearly explained as the reason for bearing arms not being infringed upon was for the sake of a &quot;well, regulated militia.&quot;

alchemist, of course, was correct in pointing out the double standard you have with the 2nd amendment vis-a-vis the &quot;general welfare&quot; phrase I mentioned.

National health care is the essence of &quot;general welfare of the people&quot; in the 21st century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can play Founding Father quotes games&#8230;or we can re-read the amendment itself&#8230;</p>
<p>&#034;A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.&#034; </p>
<p>No matter how you, yes, construe it, the freaking purpose clearly explained as the reason for bearing arms not being infringed upon was for the sake of a &#034;well, regulated militia.&#034;</p>
<p>alchemist, of course, was correct in pointing out the double standard you have with the 2nd amendment vis-a-vis the &#034;general welfare&#034; phrase I mentioned.</p>
<p>National health care is the essence of &#034;general welfare of the people&#034; in the 21st century.</p>
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		<title>By: alchemist</title>
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		<dc:creator>alchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK more to say.  I have 6 guns in my house.  I own them all.  My Father taught me to shoot when I was 6 or so,  We bred, trained and field trialed english pointers for years and years -- until I was in my 50&#039;s and he passed away.  I shoot sporting clays.  I know about guns.  That said there are guns that have no business in an average citizen&#039;s hands and there are average citizens who should not own any gun at all.  I personally know someone who was shot in the eye by one of his hunting buddies, another who shot himself in the foot playing quick draw and a third who was shot in the arm screwing around.  I used to be related to one of them.  So quit yapping about what out forefathers thought about guns.  I repeat there are guns that should not be in the average citizen&#039;s hands and there are average citizens who should not own guns!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK more to say.  I have 6 guns in my house.  I own them all.  My Father taught me to shoot when I was 6 or so,  We bred, trained and field trialed english pointers for years and years &#8212; until I was in my 50&#039;s and he passed away.  I shoot sporting clays.  I know about guns.  That said there are guns that have no business in an average citizen&#039;s hands and there are average citizens who should not own any gun at all.  I personally know someone who was shot in the eye by one of his hunting buddies, another who shot himself in the foot playing quick draw and a third who was shot in the arm screwing around.  I used to be related to one of them.  So quit yapping about what out forefathers thought about guns.  I repeat there are guns that should not be in the average citizen&#039;s hands and there are average citizens who should not own guns!!</p>
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		<title>By: alchemist</title>
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		<dc:creator>alchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG are you full of yourself!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG are you full of yourself!!</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a really lame response, alchemist. I thought you were more honest than that. I can only deduce that you are dishonest. Just admit that you could care less what the founders thought. That would be a  much more honest response. 

And I don&#039;t know of any conservatives who want to secede from the union. They just want to change it back into what it&#039;s supposed to be. They want to change it back from unconstitutional liberal lies and bulls**t. If you don&#039;t believe me, you are advocating for tyranny. I will NEVER do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a really lame response, alchemist. I thought you were more honest than that. I can only deduce that you are dishonest. Just admit that you could care less what the founders thought. That would be a  much more honest response. </p>
<p>And I don&#039;t know of any conservatives who want to secede from the union. They just want to change it back into what it&#039;s supposed to be. They want to change it back from unconstitutional liberal lies and bulls**t. If you don&#039;t believe me, you are advocating for tyranny. I will NEVER do that.</p>
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