Comments on: Torture Defenders: Self-Deceived Or Gullible?

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:23:57 +0000

What it is,…..bzzzp….is illegal. "Redefining" laws on torture is the job of the Congress. Congress makes new laws, Presidents carry out those laws. Presidents can't hire lawyers to write-up new laws….that would be American tyranny.

Political manuevers are political manuevers…..breaking the law is breaking the law. Distinguishing between the two is what conservatives are trying to keep from happening.

By: bzzzzp

bzzzzp — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:27:33 +0000

An honorable person would say it is wrong to redefine torture for political gain, period.

An honorable knucklehead would say it is wrong to redefine torture for political gain, but that is not what I'm doing here.

But you are just a kool-aid drinker. This is what they told you to think and no facts can get in the way.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:05:14 +0000

"Why can't you agree that Americans should not redefine torture for political gain?"

That's the point of investigations and prosecutions, right? To find out whether the Bushies "redefined torture for political gains." It's obvious that's what happened. Cheney told Yoo what to write to "legalize" torture and then ordered the CIA to torture detainees to obtain false confessions connecting Saddam with al-Qaeda. Cheney, as he was when Joe Wilson challenged him, was hellbent to justify his fraudulent scheme. He's ruthless, he outed Joe's wife to send a warning message to potential whistleblowers. The torture was all part of Cheney's cover-up. Torture produces unreliable information, because the freaking purpose of torture is to get the person to say what you want them to.

Cheney is the worst treasonous criminal in my lifetime.

By: Da King

Da King — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:58:26 +0000

Rev says, "you guys actually believe that what our people did was proper?"

War is hell, Rev. I won't say what we did was proper. It was pretty awful, but 9/11 was a lot more awful. We had to do everything we could to prevent another one. I have a hard time standing up for the civil rights of the very people who pulled that massacre off, as you do. That feels…….wrong. Now we know the EIT's thwarted other terrorist plots (I've actually known that for years, but it was good to see it in an official report). Now you want to prosecute the people who thwarted those plots. I don't feel too good about that.

By: bzzzzp

bzzzzp — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:05:35 +0000

No, I don't think America should torture people.

Why can't you agree that Americans should not redefine torture for political gain?

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:26:51 +0000

Honest to god….you guys actually believe that what our people did was proper?

Do you, cross your freaking heart swear, that you believe America should torture people?

By: Da King

Da King — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:49:18 +0000

larry,
I think this marks the first time the libs have ever agreed with Reagan.
Historic.

By: bzzzzp

bzzzzp — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:05:43 +0000

I can imagine a sheriff was once charged with murder for shooting someone. Does this mean that our military cannot use guns?

larry, it just reeks.

By: larry d.

larry d. — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:21:58 +0000

Reagan must be the talking point of the last couple days on Kos or something as I've been seeing it everywhere, Reverend. It reeks of desperation.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:00:13 +0000

Yep, larry, it's a red herring. Because, you know, when jurisprudence is being crried out, precedence is never considered.

Your brilliant analysis, however, wasn't shared by the Republican of all Republicans, Ronald Reagan. Do you thing Reagan's miscue was because of the early onslaught of alzheimer's? Or was Reagan's signing of the Torture Convention a shrewd plan to fool the enemies of America, you know, Democrats?