Facts From The Gates-Crowley Incident

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/Police%20report%20on%20Gates%20arrest.PDF

The above link is the actual report. She did say that there were 2 men with backpacks. Maybe not in the 911 tapes but that's what she told Crowley.
Enough said.

Your link is my link to Crowley's written report.

I'm sorry average…..I included the actual transcription of the 9-11 call. No mention whatsoever was made of black men or backpacks. Crowley simply made it up. The 9-11 caller, as her lawyer says above, made no mention of black men or backpacks in the call and did not talk to Crowley at the scene.

Now you tell me why Crowley made it up?

Gates shouldn't have brought the black issue into it….but Crowley abused his authority and lied in his report.

Here's more from the 9-11 caller…

Lucia Whalen, 40, said she was out walking to lunch in Gates' Cambridge neighborhood near Harvard University when an elderly woman without a cell phone stopped her because she was concerned there was a possible burglary in progress.

Whalen was vilified as a racist on blogs after a police report said she described the possible burglars as "two black males with backpacks."

Tapes of the call released earlier this week revealed that Whalen did not mention race. When pressed by a dispatcher on whether the men were white, black or Hispanic, she said one of them might have been Hispanic.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090729/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_caller

So what about the situation in Akron?

From Dyer's article…

""Says the mom: "I hope that a lot of parents will stop being in denial."

Instead of teaching their kids right and wrong, she says, too many parents rush to back their child in any situation involving an authority figure. The parent hears the kid's side of a story via cell phone and charges to the scene, combative and cursing and making things worse."

Apparently, N.E. Frye, the cops are not being blasted here. It's the parents and grandparents who are responsible. What the "mom" said is too often true of both white and black parents today

How do we know Whalen's lawyer isn't lying to protect her? Someone must have said something about 2 black guys with dufflebags breaking into a house. Why would Crowley just make that up? It doesn't make sense for him to just put that into the report. Especially a person that specializes in race relations.

Whalen has been bullied and intimidated by the racist lefties and after seeing how that works is simply trying to extricate herself from the situation. It's just another ugly example of the divisive political climate being nurtured by this administration.

This was an unfortunate incident. I don't know the race of most of the commenters here, but I suspect it is white. It is hard to place yourself in the shoes of a black male in this situation. Conclusions are reached that are often incorrect based on our views of society and news reports. I am sure Dr. Gates was caught up in the moment and reacted in moment of rage. It is understandable. We can't change what is history, but after he produced identification the police should have just withdrawn. In terms of an apology, it is sad that the officer will not apologize. It seems like the proper thing for a public servant to do in a matter like this.

Listen to you guys!

Go and listen to the 9-11 call yourselves….

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385×343538

If the baloney conservatives have been fed from WorldNetDaily and other wingnut sources clashes with reality….you get all conspiratorial minded.

Crowley is a prick…didn't like the way Gates was talking to him….looked for a way to arrest him to teach him a lesson….did so…..then lied in his report.

But noooo….Whalen was "bullied" and "intimidated" and Whalen's attorney lied.

Why would Crowley make sh*t up? To support his ridiculous calling in of so many cops.

And about this specializing in race relations stuff….

It's cynical, average. A white prickish Irish boy with a chip on his shoulders teaching race relations. It's a joke. It's open mockery of the very process of race relations. That's the whole point of it……to mock race relations.

It's a rubber-meets-road version of what we've seen from the Roberts Court…making a total mockery of Civil Rights legislation, turning the intent of civil rights laws, affirmative action laws, on their heads. Crowley is the personification of that same process. Hey, majority whites are being threatened.

Rev,
Whalen has been attacked by the left, like they attack anyone who gets in the way of their fictional narratives of political correctness (and like you are doing by calling Crowley a prick. Y'all just can't help yourselves). She's obviously afraid and upset. That was pretty apparent at her news conference.

And how does whether or not Whalen said "two black men" even matter ? The police were still there responding to a potential break-in. The races of those involved doesn't make any difference (except to Gates).

If you were trying to prove abuse by the cops here, you failed miserably.

Gents-
Just wanna throw out my .02, if I may. To me, What I am concerned with(my opinion alone). Say (Gates) is some Regular guy from Texas, Ohio, or Kentucky and this(incident) happens and it goes on the news. Do you think that the President will go out on a limb and insult whatever Police Department that made the arrest and invite them to the W-house for a sit down. Sorry but to me, this is BS. People need to grow up for sure, We are an equal people,and that's that. If you don't like it I hear Mexico, England, Germany, Russia, and others have vacancy's. I think its time we stop placing blame with our political affiliations and start holding our FELLOW AMERICANS ACCOUNTABLE. I'm sick of this blacks this, Hispanics that,and white this and that. You find me ANY RACE THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE DESIRABLE AND ILL SHOW YOU SOME BULL S*IT!! Trust me, the Prezo's time can be better spent, POINT BLANK. This is inciting more problems than its solving. Thanks for your time, once again MY .02, agree or disagree its my right.

What it proves is that Crowley lied in his report.

Crowley abused his authority by arresting Gates. It was completely uncalled for.

Many whites, ever sensitive about their majority status, and clueless, as Tom B stated, about being black in America, have been quick to defend the indefensible in this story.

Gates probably should have used more discretion….but Crowley had no right to arrest him. Crowley, because of his police status is more at fault here. He had the authority in the situation, and he misused it.

What I'm thinking is that whites, who just loathe any complaining by blacks, who want blacks to "know their place" when it comes to authority…..are simply taking this story as an opportunity to air those loathings.

Thanks for your comment ShadowWalker….

If divisive race relations in America is still a problem….then I'm not sure Obama's wasting his time drawing attention to it.

And what I'm thinking is that liberals just automatically blame the police if a minority is involved, regardless of the facts, even when the police were just there to do their job, that race had nothing to do with the Gates situation, that it was Gates who turned the whole thing into an imaginary racial slight, that it was Gates who was abusive, that it was Gates who wouldn't stop screaming at the cops, that it was Gates who was out of control, that Crowley warned him to stop, that Gates didn't, and that it was Gates own fault that he was arrested.

Funny how so many arguments end with the liberal calling the conservative a racist based on pretty much nothing. The ultimate diversionary tactic. Liberal argument #5. Do you guys take classes in this stuff, or what ?

And I agree with shadow-walker.

Rev and Gents,
I agree! Im not saying he is "wasting" his time, Im just saying had the roles been reversed in a Myriad of other way, and the subject of the arrest not been a friend, I wonder if our President would have fielded the question in the first place. Accountability, and equality is all I want to see.

Well, King…this liberal didn't say Crowley was a racist. And this liberal doesn't "automatically blame the police if a minority is involved."

What King is avoiding is the truth which Obama stated that racial profiling by police is a fact of American life. Does King disagree that racial profiling still happens in America? A policeman lying in his written report that he was told "2 black men with backpacks" were seen going into the house, may not be racial profiling, per se…..but I'm still waiting for the answer to why Crowley chose to include race in his lie.

And what I still cannot fathom is a libertarian agreeing that police have a right to come into your own home when not invited, when you have done nothing wrong, and then winds up arresting you for no legitimate reason. The charges being dropped immediately is proof that the arrest was illegitimate.

Rev there are 2 separate accounts. The first the 911 call. The second is when Crowley arrived at the scene. We don't know what happened at the 2nd when the police arrived.
Remember a black man with luggage did enter the home. Was there a guest with him? Was one of the pieces of luggage a shoulder bag? The only thing we know for sure is what was written in the report. We don't know what Whalens lawyer told her to say. Why would she get legal representation anyway, she did nothing but call in a 911 call? This makes no sense.
What else do we know? We know that Gates is a big time racist, that's what he teaches as a professor, the victimization of Black America. We know that Obama has a deepseated vendetta against white America by the way he jumped to the side of a black brother without knowing the facts. That is the biggest concern in this whole case. These other 2 guys are just 2 more "average joe's" taking heat to get the attention off of Obama's ghetto thug remarks and actions. You can't call Crowley a liar. There is no proof.

I didn't "average joes", I meant "joe the plumbers".

2 men . 2 with egos. But you are correct it was Gates home Crowley was the intruder who needed to show his ID.

I had a incident with cop with a testosterone attitude which many of them have. I was driving safely , stopped at a stop sign made a turn. Then a unmarked car pulls me over. Now I am in a quiet area. A woman alone. A man in a police uniform gets out asks me to roll down my window. I refused.
I told him he can tell me why and show me his ID. I wasn't going to take his uniform as proof of his being a cop. Well he didn't say what he wanted just kept ranting "lady roll down your window" So I went into my purse to get my cell phone. So he reached FOR HIS GUN. Here I am a woman in my fifties and the idiots reaching for his gun cause I am going for my phone.
I show him my cell and I repeat to him "show me ID." So then he angrily flashes me his ID . I call 911 tell them I got this officer here with a gun asking me to roll down my window , this is his ID # and tell me they have no report of a officer with that number to be on duty now. So they tell me to sit tight . About 2 min later we are surrounded with cop cars.
Turns out he was a cop who just got off duty. The cops that came were his buddies so he says he decided to check my windows because he says they were too tinted. And I need to get the tint removed. So he handed me a ticket. Turns out windows had less than 1 % too much tint. Ticket was ripped up by town . They apologized to me.

Cops on steroids

Average joe
Obamas remark was Crowley reacted stupidity . And he did. When he over reacted. He was the one with the gun , while Gates was the old man with a cane. Want to talk about racism why are so many whites standing behind Crowley ? Can you imagine if a cop did this to a old white Harvard prof ? ha I doubt he last long on the force. Can you imagine the uproar from the Harvard community. I dont think you see many in support of Crowley then.

Obama doesn't have any vendetta it is still white men being scared that blacks are becoming equal. And God help any black person who dares talk back to a police officer ..he show them

Whatever Andrea. Crowley was investigating a 911 call, why wouldn't Gates show him ID, whether he owned the home or not? Crowley didn't burst in with guns blazing and knocking down the door and pushing Gates to the floor. He asked for ID. It took 6 words, "Yes officer, here is my ID." A brief explanation and a thank you for coming. No, Gates chose to get beligerant and start a confrontation and become the victim. You are just as out of touch as Walter and his minions.

In case you haven't noticed blacks are already being given more than whites in govt opportunities. In fact whites being the majority pay for the inequality blacks are recieving. Do you think the govt grows money on trees and says that orchard is for the blacks?

Obama doesn't need a vendetta. He showed his true colors. He hates and distrusts whites as much as any other black person in Ameroca. He opened his mouth after admitting he didn't have all of the info. Are white folks without a president right now? The problem stems here: If Bush had said something against a black cop as racist as Obama did, they would impeach him and ask him to resign.

Thanks for the personal anecdote, Andrea.

Conservative white folks have many of those anecdotes about abuse of authority by police. They just can't own up to it right now because it is a black/white issue…and they want to keep it a black/white issue.

average, sadly, has joined Glenn Beck.

No I haven't Rev., I don't even watch Beck. Why would Obama have done what he did? This is a problem that concerns me. Look at the mounting evidence.

If what happened to Gates happened to a white Harvard professor no one would have heard word one about it, Andrea.

White folks own up to the existence of abuse by police, Reverend. That's why they leave the 'racial profiling' accusations to professional race baiters like Gates and Obama.

Obama did what he did because he is a courageous leader willing to take on the difficult problems that America faces. By doing what he did, Obama catalyzed a national discussion over black/white concerns, police profiling, and authoritarian abuse of minorities.

If Gates had been white, larry is right that we wouldn't have heard much about this incident. That would be because our nation doesn't have a nagging problem with racial profiling of whites by police.

"White folks own up to the existence of abuse by police, Reverend"

Just not in this case, huh?

Obama simply triggered another shallow dog and pony show, on the backs of the truly oppressed.

And calling the arrest of a loudmouth 'abuse' isn't easy for some folks. The guy was let go almost immediately so most thinking Americans think, 'no harm, no foul, no big deal.'

Who are the truly oppressed?

I realize that whites have a hard time dealing with any black person who complains about the plight of American minorities. Whites grant that minorities should be treated equally. They do. Even conservatives. But what they simply detest is being reminded by blacks that whites were the ones who conducted all the abuse and discrimination. It's as if whites have been saying for about 40 years now…"Okay you can be treated equally, now shut your mouths about it."

It's like looking in the mirror and seeing those signs of old age…..it isn't easy to do.

I have resisted the impulse to comment on this because there seems to be no shortage of opinions on this incident. It seems that everyone is trying to fit this situation into their own little box, attributing motives to people we don't even know. That being said, I'll try to do the same thing.

I used to work with a black man who thought that any snub or slight from white people was racially inspired. Finally, another black worker explained to him that the reason people didn't like him was not because he was black, it was because he was an asshole. My cousin explained it best. He thought black people wanted to be treated as they thought white folks were. Just as whites cannot really appreciate what it means to be a black person in our society, blacks assume that injustice is racially based and not experienced by whites.

I've been a cop. I've also been beaten by cops. I know that among many cops there is a us vs. them mentality. I also know that whenever a cop responds, he has to be prepared for any contingency, which tends to make some overreact for their own safety. There are also cops who see their badge as a license to make their own law.

So here's my version as to what went down. Crowley responded to what he thought was a burglary. Gates, incensed at having to prove that he wasn't a burglar in his own house, assumed that Crowley wouldn't have demanded this of a white person. Crowley, as a cop, felt that he didn't have to take any shit from anybody and arrested him.

Rev asks, "What King is avoiding is the truth which Obama stated that racial profiling by police is a fact of American life. Does King disagree that racial profiling still happens in America?"

I'm avoiding no such thing. I think racial profiling in America does happen sometimes.

It just didn't happen in the Gates case.

Except by Gates.

Rev asks, "Who are the truly oppressed?"

I'll tell you who the oppressed aren't – Henry Louis Gates, the Harvard professor. Barack Obama, the President of the United States. Deval Patrick, the governor of Massachusetts.

In that company, Sgt. Crowley is the oppressed. Lucia Whalen is the oppressed.

Rev says, "what they [white people] simply detest is being reminded by blacks that whites were the ones who conducted all the abuse and discrimination. It's as if whites have been saying for about 40 years now…"Okay you can be treated equally, now shut your mouths about it."

Not exactly. Speaking for myself (not for all white people, I can't be so presumptuous), what I don't like is being held responsible for something I didn't do just because of the color of my skin, as if that's any kind of qualifier(isn't that a sort of racist machination right there ?). By the time I came of age, slavery was long over, Jim Crow was over, etc. Who did I oppress ? Nobody. Who did I discriminate against ? Nobody. How am I any more or less oppressed than anyone else ? Equal opportunity is all anyone should get.

You know, I'm also primarily of German origin, but I don't accept any responsibility for the Nazis either, because I wasn't one of them. Same thing. Do you, as a black man, feel culpable for genocide in Rwanda ? Of course you don't, because you had no part in it. Same thing again.

I don't accept the white guilt, Rev, because I'm not guilty. It's that simple.

The truly oppressed are the real victims of racial profiling, Reverend. Thanks to Skippy and Obama, about 70 percent of Americans now think it's a bogus issue.

well put frank.