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		<title>By: Jimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Reverend,

Nobody is saying that Waterboarding isn&#039;t torture. Only three detainees were Waterboarded, and the Department of Defense and the CIA claims that very valuable information was gained.

Your Bush Derangement Syndrome is preventing you from understanding that none of what is happending nor, none of what has happend can be tied to the Bush Administration, as far breaking a law.

You could care less about the torture issue, you just want Bush&#039;s head on a stick, and you probably don&#039;t even know why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Reverend,</p>
<p>Nobody is saying that Waterboarding isn&#039;t torture. Only three detainees were Waterboarded, and the Department of Defense and the CIA claims that very valuable information was gained.</p>
<p>Your Bush Derangement Syndrome is preventing you from understanding that none of what is happending nor, none of what has happend can be tied to the Bush Administration, as far breaking a law.</p>
<p>You could care less about the torture issue, you just want Bush&#039;s head on a stick, and you probably don&#039;t even know why.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.</p>
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		<title>By: larry d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was the sheriff&#039;s prisoner a U.S. citizen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the sheriff&#039;s prisoner a U.S. citizen?</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, way to avoid what you want to avoid acknowledging.

As you well know and probably won&#039;t ever admit, Ronald Reagan&#039;s Justice Department prosecuted, convicted and sentenced a U.S. sheriff to 10 years in prison for waterboarding a prisoner. Waterboarding was considered cruel and unusal by the Reagan administration. Now, you can argue that those rules don&#039;t apply to Gitmo detainees, but all that does is skirt the issue, just like Bush did until the Supremes bitchslapped him back into Constitutional reality with their habeas ruling.

And you can parse the Torture Convention wording as well. But the intent of Reagan&#039;s signing of that Convention can&#039;t be parsed, and that intent was to join other nations in declaring that the U.S. would not endorse or practice torture AND would prosecute those countries that did. 

Clearly, the cruelty practiced on Gitmo detainees is torture. No objective person would conclude otherwise.....and that&#039;s why Bush/Cheney sought to keep it all secret and cover their asses retroactively by instructing Yoo and the other OLC lackeys to &quot;legalize&quot; the illegal.

When it comes to Kool-aid drinking......Jim Jones, much like neo-cons of today, called for complete trust in him.....even trust that was obviously contrary to common sense and reality. That describes the behavior and foolish cul-de-sac justifications of torture apologists.....but, sorry, it doesn&#039;t apply to me, I&#039;ll stick with empirical evidence and reality.

Your attempt to split hairs is akin to straining for that knat while swallowing a camel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, way to avoid what you want to avoid acknowledging.</p>
<p>As you well know and probably won&#039;t ever admit, Ronald Reagan&#039;s Justice Department prosecuted, convicted and sentenced a U.S. sheriff to 10 years in prison for waterboarding a prisoner. Waterboarding was considered cruel and unusal by the Reagan administration. Now, you can argue that those rules don&#039;t apply to Gitmo detainees, but all that does is skirt the issue, just like Bush did until the Supremes bitchslapped him back into Constitutional reality with their habeas ruling.</p>
<p>And you can parse the Torture Convention wording as well. But the intent of Reagan&#039;s signing of that Convention can&#039;t be parsed, and that intent was to join other nations in declaring that the U.S. would not endorse or practice torture AND would prosecute those countries that did. </p>
<p>Clearly, the cruelty practiced on Gitmo detainees is torture. No objective person would conclude otherwise&#8230;..and that&#039;s why Bush/Cheney sought to keep it all secret and cover their asses retroactively by instructing Yoo and the other OLC lackeys to &#034;legalize&#034; the illegal.</p>
<p>When it comes to Kool-aid drinking&#8230;&#8230;Jim Jones, much like neo-cons of today, called for complete trust in him&#8230;..even trust that was obviously contrary to common sense and reality. That describes the behavior and foolish cul-de-sac justifications of torture apologists&#8230;..but, sorry, it doesn&#039;t apply to me, I&#039;ll stick with empirical evidence and reality.</p>
<p>Your attempt to split hairs is akin to straining for that knat while swallowing a camel.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!

Way to do your research Reverend!

When Reagan agreed to the U.N. Convention against Torutre most of all the articles were agreed to as &quot;non-self executing.&quot;

&quot;The United States ratified CAT, subject to certain declarations, reservations, and understandings, including that the treaty was not self-executing and required implementing legislation to be enforced by U.S. courts.&quot;

Question:
When were the proper articles pertaining to torture outside the borders of the United States against non-nation enemy combatants ceased on the field of battle implemented into United States Legislation? 

Answer:
Well after the actual so-called torture actually was imlemented by an American.

So in fact, NO, The Bush Administration did not commit War Crimes, nor did his admistration break any United States Civil/Criminal Law. 

How long is that straw have to be to keep drinking that Kool-Aid, with your head stuck so deep in the sand? 

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/101750.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!</p>
<p>Way to do your research Reverend!</p>
<p>When Reagan agreed to the U.N. Convention against Torutre most of all the articles were agreed to as &#034;non-self executing.&#034;</p>
<p>&#034;The United States ratified CAT, subject to certain declarations, reservations, and understandings, including that the treaty was not self-executing and required implementing legislation to be enforced by U.S. courts.&#034;</p>
<p>Question:<br />
When were the proper articles pertaining to torture outside the borders of the United States against non-nation enemy combatants ceased on the field of battle implemented into United States Legislation? </p>
<p>Answer:<br />
Well after the actual so-called torture actually was imlemented by an American.</p>
<p>So in fact, NO, The Bush Administration did not commit War Crimes, nor did his admistration break any United States Civil/Criminal Law. </p>
<p>How long is that straw have to be to keep drinking that Kool-Aid, with your head stuck so deep in the sand? </p>
<p><a href="http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/101750.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/101750.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>average....we are either a nation of laws....or men. FISA laws prohibited what Bush did. Existing national laws plus the Geneva and Torture Conventions prohibited torture, including the tactics ordered by Bush. He knew that....and that&#039;s why he and Cheney tried to keep it all secret.

That&#039;s the starting point......the law as it existed when the deeds were carried out. Everything else is simply self-justification for violating those laws.

If Bush, or anyone for that matter, wants to order things contrary to existing law, then new laws must be passed through our Constitutional system.

If all that is not true....then....we are nothing but another two-bit totalitarian dictatorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>average&#8230;.we are either a nation of laws&#8230;.or men. FISA laws prohibited what Bush did. Existing national laws plus the Geneva and Torture Conventions prohibited torture, including the tactics ordered by Bush. He knew that&#8230;.and that&#039;s why he and Cheney tried to keep it all secret.</p>
<p>That&#039;s the starting point&#8230;&#8230;the law as it existed when the deeds were carried out. Everything else is simply self-justification for violating those laws.</p>
<p>If Bush, or anyone for that matter, wants to order things contrary to existing law, then new laws must be passed through our Constitutional system.</p>
<p>If all that is not true&#8230;.then&#8230;.we are nothing but another two-bit totalitarian dictatorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading Joes comments about Olberman and Maddow making money off of their ratings I was curious. I hear O&#039;Reilly bloviating about how his (and FOx in general) ratings blow the other cable news shows away. So I searched the Nielsen ratings and O&#039;Reilly is right, its not even close. So Joe I&#039;m assuming that means there aren&#039;t a whole lot of people believing the conspiracy theories. I can&#039;t stand watching him for very long but I will give O&#039;Reilly credit, he does have opposing views (even if he does talk over them) on his show. Olberman is boring just because it is everyone that thinks the same way, like a little love fest. Maybe we can resurrect the Whig party, then we&#039;d have a real choice come election time. Or as my dad used to say &quot;Government is fine, as long as you keep the politics out of it&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading Joes comments about Olberman and Maddow making money off of their ratings I was curious. I hear O&#039;Reilly bloviating about how his (and FOx in general) ratings blow the other cable news shows away. So I searched the Nielsen ratings and O&#039;Reilly is right, its not even close. So Joe I&#039;m assuming that means there aren&#039;t a whole lot of people believing the conspiracy theories. I can&#039;t stand watching him for very long but I will give O&#039;Reilly credit, he does have opposing views (even if he does talk over them) on his show. Olberman is boring just because it is everyone that thinks the same way, like a little love fest. Maybe we can resurrect the Whig party, then we&#039;d have a real choice come election time. Or as my dad used to say &#034;Government is fine, as long as you keep the politics out of it&#034;.</p>
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		<title>By: averagejoe5</title>
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		<dc:creator>averagejoe5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was listening to an expert last night that was talking about enhanced interogation techniques and how important they were after 911. Millions of lives were saved. Our laws and rights are interpreted between the parties and the politicians and the lawyers like religion has interpreted the Bible. Nothing is set in stone and everything is up for interpretion. Were the taps illegal? It depends on which conspiracy website you look at. Or which witch hunter you are following or who your favorite politician is in Washington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was listening to an expert last night that was talking about enhanced interogation techniques and how important they were after 911. Millions of lives were saved. Our laws and rights are interpreted between the parties and the politicians and the lawyers like religion has interpreted the Bible. Nothing is set in stone and everything is up for interpretion. Were the taps illegal? It depends on which conspiracy website you look at. Or which witch hunter you are following or who your favorite politician is in Washington.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re correct, and I&#039;m not saying you are....then we can all scratch the 4th amendment from our copies of the Bill of Rights. We probably have too many rights anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#039;re correct, and I&#039;m not saying you are&#8230;.then we can all scratch the 4th amendment from our copies of the Bill of Rights. We probably have too many rights anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Da King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama didn&#039;t have to release the OLC memos. He&#039;s the President. He could have classified them. He didn&#039;t. There will be more coming out about the Bush administration shortly, because Obama&#039;s policies are being questioned more and more. He will dribble out info to keep the political focus off of himself. There is NO other consideration from team Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama didn&#039;t have to release the OLC memos. He&#039;s the President. He could have classified them. He didn&#039;t. There will be more coming out about the Bush administration shortly, because Obama&#039;s policies are being questioned more and more. He will dribble out info to keep the political focus off of himself. There is NO other consideration from team Obama.</p>
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