Comments on: Torture Places Doubt On 9-11 Commission Findings

By: Lew Weinstein

Lew Weinstein — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:29:05 +0000

As you may know, my CASE CLOSED blog has turned into a forum for widespread discussion of the actual anthrax case. I have been seeking answers to questions posed to the FBI by Congress. Yesterday, I finally received those answers, which I found to be insulting and demeaning to the Congress and to the American people. The questions, the answers, and my comments are posted on my blog at …

http://caseclosedbylewweinstein.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/the-fbis-answers-to-questions-posed-by-members-of-the-house-judiciary-committee-in-september-2008-as-to-certain-aspects-of-the-fbi’s-investigation-of-the-2001-anthrax-attacks-are-insulting/

LEW WEINSTEIN

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sun, 17 May 2009 14:16:33 +0000

"If we're talking about waterboarding three high-level Al Qaeda operatives at Gitmo, I have no problem with that."

King has no problem with our federal leaders intentionally violating numerous laws, at their own discretion.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sun, 17 May 2009 14:14:21 +0000

"You have gone completely off the deep end now, comparing America's post 9/11 actions with what the Nazis did. Do I really have to explain the difference to you ? Do I really ??? You must be capable of some rational thought."

From someone who defends, as Nazi sympathizers did, the indefensible.

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 17 May 2009 13:52:16 +0000

Rev,
You have gone completely off the deep end now, comparing America's post 9/11 actions with what the Nazis did. Do I really have to explain the difference to you ? Do I really ??? You must be capable of some rational thought.

You ask, "Can all laws simply be suspended in a national security emergency?"

Nobody has ever said all laws can be suspended. That's a false question. But if you want to know if some laws can be temporarily suspended during wartime for the sake of national security, ask Abraham Lincoln or FDR. They both won wars. They both suspended laws. They both are considered among our greatest presidents.

By: Da King

Da King — Sun, 17 May 2009 13:43:57 +0000

frank,
If we're talking about Abu Ghraib, I thought that was disgusting. That was abuse for the sake of abuse, and was wrong.

If we're talking about waterboarding three high-level Al Qaeda operatives at Gitmo, I have no problem with that. If we're talking about what the Egyptians did to Al Libi, I'm not certain what that was, but Al Libi was a high-level Al Qaeda operative too.

I do not buy at all the idea that Bush/Cheney tortured people to save Bush/Cheney from prosecution. That sounds pretty ridiculous to me. If Bush/Cheney had done such a thing, that would only increase their chances of being prosecuted, not reduce them.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sat, 16 May 2009 17:18:42 +0000

King…your logic would have pre-empted any Nazi trials for crimes against humanity. Those Nazis argued they were doing what was necessary to protect the Homeland. Isn't that correct? Why, then, is it different with America?

Also, I think that you believe in the rule of law. Am I mistaken? Soon, I'll be pointing out the laws broken by Bush's torture regime. Can all laws simply be suspended in a national security emergency? And if they can, wasn't the world wrong when it prosecuted Nazis?

By: frank

frank — Sat, 16 May 2009 16:40:48 +0000

Mr. King,
Nobody gives a crap about their well being. You know very well that it wasn't just members of AlQaeda who were tortured. You should also know by know that those tortured weren't tortured as a last resort, either. You should also know that they weren't tortured to obtain information to keep us safe. They were tortured to keep Bush and Cheney safe from prosecution for their criminal acts.

This isn't just about those being tortured. It's about who we are as a people and what level of human decency we demand of our leaders. If we accept torture as policy, we admit that our country is no better than the worst in history.

By: Da King

Da King — Sat, 16 May 2009 13:30:07 +0000

You offered nothing to counter my post.

Rev says, "I can't find any other reasonable alternative answer for your state of denial."

Here's one. Al Qaeda killed nearly three thousand Americans on 9/11, after numerous attacks against American interests and others in the 90's. I don't give a crap about the well being of fanatical terrorist mass murderers of the innocent nearly as much as I care about the safety of my country and others against those same murderers.

What's your excuse for pushing 'be nice to terrorists month' ?

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sat, 16 May 2009 11:31:31 +0000

The doctors are in.

By: frank

frank — Fri, 15 May 2009 22:48:14 +0000

Rev,
It is interesting how far scared people can twist the bounds of logical thinking to allay their fears. Don't worry though, there seems to be plenty of psychologists here.