The script writers for the teevee program "24" should be hired by our defense department as full time military planners. Eliminate the middle men. That way our great protector-leaders can skip over all the liberal whining horsesh*t over torture and get down to protecting us like real men should. Why bother with pansy-assed anti-torture appeasers and pacifists who insist on the rule of law. The rule of law is so pre-9-11. F*ck the rule of law. Are we going to rely on a goddamn piece of paper to protect us? Huh? Are we? What are we going to do? Hide behind it? Huh, you liberal sissies?
I, for one, can hardly wait for the gloves to come off permanently. I oftentimes feel like peeing in my pants, I get so scared about a boogyman terrorist hiding in my trashcan, and when I roll it back into the garage he's going to jump out screaming some stupid sh*t about Allah and blow my house up. So, I want those gloves to come off, and I want them to stay off. No more Mr. Niceguy like we've heard about from down in the Guantanomo-Carlton.
Bush and Cheney started taking the gloves off but, obviously, they didn't go far enough….you know, because I still feel like peeing in my pants occasionally. I don't want the "24" script writers hired by the defense department to stop with the violence, gore and waterboarding scenarios until I don't have that scared-e-cat urge anymore. I really, really need to feel safe…..and I, for one, couldn't possibly feel safe if sissy suggestions from some limp-dicked appeaser Democrats and a teleprompter reading imposter of a president keep telling me torture is off the table. Oops,…see,….just typing those words caused leakage.
What America needs right now is more leaders who are willing to order the killing, the mutilation, and the eating of the flesh of our detainees, if need be, to put the fear of the only real god, the American god, Yahweh, into Muslim hearts everywhere. Muslims, (W., Don, and The Dick will tell you), can only be deterred by savagery. It's all they understand. They're not like us. So, if Muslims worldwide witness videos of our patriotic interrogators sitting around campfires at Camp X-Ray roasting a few Muslim loins…..you can be sure that those suicide bombing bastards will think twice. I think that's what it's going to take for me to maintain dry pants.
The Geneva Convention doesn't call cannibalism torture and who cares if it did. Just more goddamn pieces of paper, anyway. Americans need to hear more from the nation's authentic manly-leaders….Richard Cheney and Rush Limbaugh….leaders who aren't afraid, in this post 9-11 world where everything has changed, to wipe their asses with any legal or official document prohibiting savage American acts. Real leader-men. Lately, I've been encouraged by seeing and hearing nightly from those two great fearless patriots. And when they're not on my teevee, thankfully for my bladder, there are stand-ins…..like these guys….
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According to Warrior Harold Ford, and he's a Democrat, Americans are fully on board the waterboard, which means, that we must be getting stronger as a nation. A nation who isn't shy about using savagery is a nation ready to lead in a post 9-11 world. A nation willing to line their birdcages with foolish paper laws and principles is a nation that has learned some hard lessons about the limititations built into the foolish notion of a rule of law.
Great Warrior Leaders like Harold Ford and the Post's Chris Cilizza give my bladder hope. I only long for the day when all former sissy-ass media and sympathetic-to-prisoners politicians can hold their heads high while defiantly munching on Muslim-prisoner ribs during prime time broadcasts. Instead of constantly changing my trousers out of fear there's an Al-Bomber in my trashcan, I'll stay dry and no longer be afraid.
Now that's change my bladder can believe in.
This is worth a read as well.
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Rev , for a minute I thought you saw the light. LOL. Pelosi is a liar, look at her body language and the way she explains herself. Harold Ford is out of touch with the people, as Cilizza said if you ask the average American if something were about to happen to one of their family members and we had the guy that knew when the catastrophe was going to take place if they would do whatever it took to get the information to stop it, they would. Harold Ford said the same thing and made great sense when he mentioned the fact that the attitude of the country would have to be taken into consideration. And Chris Mathews is just making sh*t up. Everyone I talk to about it would, except for a couple of the professors from KSU.
Had you going for a minute, didn't I?
I'm sorry, average, that path leads to total anarchy, or a totalitarian state.
If it's acceptable in one case….there's no reason to not use it all the time.
Self-defense does not involve capturing your attacker and brutally torturing him. That is savagery and/or sadism.
I know conservatives just hate Pelosi….but Bush/Cheney ordering torture has nothing really to do with Pelosi. We need an investigation….and I don't care who gets caught in it.
"We need an investigation….and I don't care who gets caught in it."
Either you came to my side or I came to yours, that is my sentiment exactly.
I say we eliminate the military and anything related to defense and announce we are a conflict free zone put our skirts on and dance the night away.
"If it's acceptable in one case …"
That's pretty silly rationale, even for you Reverend. The same could be said of writing traffic tickets but I don't anticipate getting one next time I stop at a red light.
I for one am glad they waterboarded those two fellows because it saved American lives. Maybe if it had saved more sophisticated Europeans you'd feel better about it.
angry conserv's reasoning….if we can't torture to produce phony confessions so we can invade any non-threatening country neo-cons want to invade….then we're sissies.
larry's reasoning…..if a traffic cop, carrying out his legal right on the job to hand out speeding violation tickets, on occasion, gets it wrong…..that means torture is legal in certain situations.
My goodness….the depth of pretzel logic you guys won't bend yourselves into to cling to the savagery and illegality of torture. Or is it just to justify the actions of your super-heroes….George and Dick?
Wait, Rev, I thought it was YOUR argument that if torture is rational in some cases, than it is rational in all cases. Larry was arguing that's silly.
Maybe I misunderstood.
I dismantled the comparison, my mistake.
If torture is legal, then it's legal. As soon as something is made legal, it spreads it's influence throughout all of society. If torturing prisoners saves lives, then it saves lives and should be incorporated into all of our law enforcement agencies…..down to the local yeehaw sheriff. No law enforcement official could ever be punished for torture because he can plead that he was doing it to save lives.
Conservatives respect Robert Mueller…..he says it doesn't work….furthermore, he prohibited his agencts from participating in what happened…..because he knew it was torture, and illegal.
Stand against conspiratorial traitors who want to drag America down into the slime and filth of tyrants. These people must be prosecuted.
"If torture is legal, then it's legal"
Ok, now what if these EI techniques were legal… oh, I'm sorry, you're not interested in debating their legality, you've made up your own mind.
Maybe if we were a bit tougher on our criminals like they are in Singapore we wouldn't have so much crime. Beating people with a cane seems to be a big deterent.
Rev your argeument about torture being legal throughout our society is silly. These people do not have the same civil rights as Americans. They are the enemy. They attack our homeland.
Intelligence reports showed that alkaida was linked to Iraq and that Saddam supported them with arms and training and cash. The reason we didn't find them is the same reason the WMD's were gone. They were moved.
I guess the Reverend's theory explains why the sheriff's department now has ballistic missiles and the Akron Police just bought a nuclear submarine.
1420….I mean, really….what's up with your head, my friend?
Our nation prosecuted Japanese soldiers and, at least, one American sheriff for waterboarding. Why would we do that if it was legal? And any attempt to argue that it was the WAY the waterboarding was conducted is nullified by the fact that we waterboarded one guy 6 times a day, and another almost 3 times a day.
average….this, "Intelligence reports showed that alkaida was linked to Iraq and that Saddam supported them with arms and training and cash."
…just isn't so. There is no evidence, at all, that supports your statement. And I would ask you…..if we have two sets of human rights standards, one for Americans and a different one for everyone else, how do you think the world will regard and deal with us? What about Reagan's signing of the Convention Against Torture? Isn't that worth anything?
larry…I wasn't aware that the locals had gone that far yet, you know, in their willingness to protect us.
And here is my "theory"….
"If torture is legal, then it's legal. As soon as something is made legal, it spreads it's influence throughout all of society. If torturing prisoners saves lives, then it saves lives and should be incorporated into all of our law enforcement agencies…..down to the local yeehaw sheriff. No law enforcement official could ever be punished for torture because he can plead that he was doing it to save lives."
Perhaps you can explain how my theory is faulty. And wouldn't Robert Mueller, if torture worked in saving lives, be advocating for it's use, instead of keeping his boys out of it? Did Mueller not want to save American lives?
Oh my god, enough with the Japanese soldiers, we get it, you'll cling till that bogus argument until the day you die.
Plus, you're argument isn't against waterboarding, it's against all the E.I. Techniques.
In fact, IIRC, you're argument is that the memos themselves are illegal. Memos. From lawyers. Are illegal.
Got it, I got your argument, please stop now.
If ballistic missiles protect us, then they protect us. Shouldn't yeehaw sheriff have some too?
You're theory is ridiculous Reverend. Most of writings are becoming more so every day.
I think my material speaks for itself.
As does the comments from those defending torture and criminality at the highest levels.
And 1420,….please….with all due respect….you don't seem to even understand the argument.
One final time…Zubaydah was waterboarded in the spring and early summer of 2002. Memos weren't approved until August 2002.
But, I suppose, since our torture leaders were THINKING that waterboarding was legal…..that was good enough.
Ronald Reagan's administration prosecuted waterboarding as a crime. But then Reagan was a flaming liberal.
For 6 years I've been saying that Bush/Cheney were criminal. Now the evidence is pouring out showing I was correct all along. So, obviously to the cognitively-challenged, that proves I am wrong.