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Why The Bush Administration Ordered Torture

by The Reverend on April 27, 2009

in 9-11,Bush White House,Iraq,neo-conservatives,torture

We now know that the Bush/Cheney administration ordered the torturing of detainees being held in U.S. secret prisons, in direct and repeated violation of national and international law. That is no longer in dispute. We also know now that the Bush administration ordered torture to be done BEFORE any Justice Department "legal" memos defending those acts of torture had been written.

But why did the Bushies order torture? What was their motivation for violating the Constitution and international treaties in the first place?

We have been told repeatedly over the last week, by those who support torture as long as it's the U.S doing it, that the Bushies ordered torture for the sole purpose of saving American lives. In other words, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, et.al., ordered the torture of detainees thinking that vital information could be gleaned from the torturee that would save our nation from another attack.

The "why" part of America's institutionalizing of torture has always been answered with, 'we tortured to protect the country from further attack.'

That answer cannot be a truthful one.

First, consider this….

"The Pentagon's general counsel's office contacted the military agency that runs the Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape programs — schools where U.S. personnel and contractors are taught how to resist abuses that prisoners of war have been through before — in December 2001 to find out how the SERE training could help interrogators break al-Qaida suspects."

Long before any "legal" memos were introduced in defense of the indefensible…..8-9 months before….the Bushies were planning to torture. Rumsfeld's lawyer at Defense consulted SERE to see how they could go about it.

At that early December, 2001 inquiry came this response from military officials….

"Military officials at the time told top Pentagon aides that the SERE techniques produced "less reliable" information."

In July of 2002, one month BEFORE Bybee, Bradbury and Yoo unfurled their "legal" defense for the use of torture, SERE issued a document of warning about using torture…..

Saturday's Washington Post

The military agency that provided advice on harsh interrogation techniques for use against terrorism suspects referred to the application of extreme duress as "torture" in a July 2002 document sent to the Pentagon's chief lawyer and warned that it would produce "unreliable information."

Why, indeed, would a presidential administration, intent on saving us from further attack, begin torturing detainees thinking they would gather valuable national defense information, when they were warned by the professionals that the very torture tactics they wanted to use would produce, "unreliable information"?

Why would they do that?

I believe this is the answer…..

"While we were there a large part of the time we were focused on trying to establish a link between al Qaida and Iraq and we were not being successful in establishing a link between al Qaida and Iraq," Army psychiatrist Maj. Paul Burney is quoted in the Senate report as saying about Guantánamo. "The more frustrated people got in not being able to establish this link … there was more and more pressure to resort to measures that might produce more immediate results."

Some perspective….

Five hours after the Twin Towers were hit, Donald Rumsfeld let us in on what the White House plans were…..

CBS News has learned that barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was telling his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks.

Rumsfeld's desire to attack Iraq….

Richard Clarke, the White House counter-terrorism coordinator at the time, has revealed details of a meeting the day after the attacks during which officials considered the US response. Already, he said, they were certain al-Qa'ida was to blame and there was no hint of Iraqi involvement. "Rumsfeld was saying we needed to bomb Iraq," Mr Clarke said. "We all said, 'No, no, al-Qa'ida is in Afghanistan.'"

But Mr Clarke……said Mr Rumsfeld complained in the meeting that "there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in Iraq."

…..he (Clarke) believes the administration sought to link Iraq with the attacks because of a long-standing interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein. "I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection" between Iraq and the al-Qa'ida attacks in the US, he says. "There's absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al-Qa'ida."

W's desire to attack Iraq….

Clarke…"The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door, and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' Now he never said, 'Make it up.' But the entire conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this.

"I said, 'Mr. President. We've done this before. We have been looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind. There's no connection.'

"He came back at me and said, "Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean that we should come back with that answer. We wrote a report."

And we sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the National Security Advisor or Deputy. It got bounced and sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. … Do it again.'

Here's the clincher….

Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi has been identified as the primary source of faulty prewar intelligence regarding chemical weapons training between Iraq and al Qaeda that was used by the Bush Administration to justify the invasion of Iraq. Link

Why was the intelligence from al-Libi "faulty"…

January, 2001….

Al-Libi, an al-Qaeda operative, was interrogated by both the United States and Egypt, and—as was publicly reported—tortured by Egyptian authorities. During these sessions, he claimed that Iraq had trained members of al-Qaeda to use chemical and biological weapons.

….in January 2004, al-Libi recanted his confession. He said that he had invented the information because he was afraid of being further abused by his interrogators. The CIA withdrew the intelligence.

The goal of the Bush administration in ordering torture was to produce "unreliable information" connecting Iraq to al-Qaeda. Al-Libi, while being tortured, gave the phony information the Bushies were after from the start.

The "why" concerning the ordering of torture was never about "saving American lives"…it was always about producing a fig leaf excuse for attacking and occupying Iraq.

Invading Iraq was the Bush administration's policy from the very beginning….

"..the top item on the agenda of the National Security Council’s first meeting after Bush entered the Oval Office was Iraq. That was January 30, 2001, more than seven months before the 9/11 attacks. The next National Security Council (NSC) meeting on February 1st was devoted exclusively to Iraq."

Today we know that this "top item" was so important to the Bushies that they set up an American torture regime immediately after 9-11 to extract phony connections between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. Those phony connections were then used in a fearmongering campaign to justify the invasion of Iraq.

Wickedness in high places.

  • Da King

    We all know Bush wanted to take down Saddam, because he DID take down Saddam.

    But you're beating a dead horse here, and I can prove it with one question.

    If the Bushies used enhanced interrogation techniques against KSM and Zubaydah only to justify attacking Iraq, why didn't the Bushies ever cite any "false evidence" acquired from KSM or Zubaydah to JUSTIFY an Iraq attack ??? They never did that.

    And you're still ignoring all the high-level CIA and national security people who've said the enhanced interrogations worked to acquire high-level intelligence on AL QAEDA.

    You have to open both eyes to be credible.

  • I believe what I read

    let's assume everything you just said is in fact accurate…but your logic fails to show any answer to "Why the Bush Administration Ordered Torture" post-invasion.

    i have one – "it yielded valuable information."

    it's either that or "for fun."

  • The Reverend

    Torture was conducted in Abu Ghraib in order to beat out confessions about where all those WMD were. That worked out well too.

    You guys can either side with Dick Cheney and his minions or acept the truth.

    What you can't have is your own set of facts.

    To King….al-Libi gave them the phony info they wanted. Apparently, or Dick would have cited them as well, KSM and Zubaida just couldn't be tortured enough to make up some connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda.

    Walk away from supporting torture criminals.

  • larry d.

    I get so confused with the timeline on these things.

    Was this all before or after Cheney order KFC to sprinkle PCP on chicken nuggets so all the minorities would get hooked on dope?

  • The Reverend

    If there is too much evidence available detailing Republican administration crimes….it goes without saying….it all must be a conspiracy theory.

    It's an odd default quirk. I think.

  • mary

    A odd quirk indeed — too much evidence. Two other odd quirks ..

    Jindal says "they want to spend stimulus money on volcano monitoring" then Mount Redoubt erupts." Last I read they are moving all of that oil that is stored in harms way by the volcano

    Collins led the charge to strip the pandemic preparedness spending out of the stimulus bill and NOW enters swine flu. Granted it has not been declared a pandemic yet but there still is plenty of time.

    Maybe the best thing we can do to insure our safety in America is to read very very carefully all the portions of the stimulus bill that the Repugs removed and try to anticipate what will happen next so we can get out of harms way. Maybe we should torture them to get them to tell us what they removed? It shouldn't take much torturing to get them to squeal!!

  • Christopher

    Wasn't "Bug In A Box" a big hit for that guy who dated Britney Spears? There's your motive right there.

  • Da King

    Rev says, "KSM and Zubaida just couldn't be tortured enough to make up some connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda."

    Quite a reversal, Rev. I thought tortured people would "say anything" to make the pain stop. Seems like if the Bushies wanted to get false information from the terrorists about Iraq, they could have easily obtained it.

    And you're still ignoring what all those CIA heads and top intelligence people said about the value of the enhanced interrogations.

  • Da King

    mary,
    Did I just hear you blame the Republicans for the swine flu ?

    First of all, the stimulus bill was supposed to be about, um, economic stimulus. That's why it was called the American Recovery And Reinvestment Act. Flu prevention doesn't have ANYTHING to do with economic stimulus. That's why pandemic prevention funding didn't belong in there. It belongs in the budget.

    Second, our "rock star" President, who always finds time for the television cameras every day so he can tell us how great he is, has yet to choose a Surgeon General or a head for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The head of the Food and Drug Administration has not yet been confirmed, and a raft of other positions remain unfilled in those agencies.

  • The Reverend

    mary…The Republicans are having a streak of bad fortune with the Alaska volcano and now swine flu. Everything they wanted to cut funding for is coming back and biting their backsides.

    I almost feel a bit sorry for the GOP. I said, almost.

    Good snark from Christopher. Although, I admire the Brittster's tenacity….even if the music is dumpster-ready.

    And King clings to torture. The CIA and intelligence people supporting torture are either ex-Bushies or neo-cons. What else could we expect from them?

    You are arguing in favor of the end-justifies-the-means…..and you're doing that despite the facts in my post that clearly show the "ends" were just as corrupt as the "means."

    Walk away from torture.

  • mary

    Da King No I did nor blame the Republicans for the swine flu — I said look at what they took out of the stimulus for clues to what might go wrong next. If it were not for bad luck the Repugs would have no luck. As for not preparedness for pandemics not being related to the economy — have you been listening to the economic news and analysis since the swine flu reared its head? I doubt that all that preparedness takes place without employing people. AND the Repugs have been and are right now blocking the appointment of the Secretaty of Health and Human Services because of (GASP) her positions on abortion.

    The internet is filled with excellent explanations to the torture loving crown this morning on why torture is AGAINST THE LAW. It always takes a couple of days for the good explanations from the really literate and informed people to be posted. They take time to "gather thoughts" unlike so many of the torture loving crowd and those of us who are just shocked that anyone would support the torture and the reasons for it that occurred in the Bush Administration.

  • mary

    Also if the epicenter of the swine flu is traced to the Smithville joint venture in Mexico things could get even dicier. Smithville packaged 6 billion pounds of pork last year and just watch the world avoid eating port whether it causes swine flu in humans or not. Right now Smithville spokesmen are blaming China. Of course if it originated in China people will still avoid pork. It ought to get interesting. I talked to a friend of mine from NC and NJ this morning — a retired college professor of Chemistry and she said she is going to the organic meat market. She has had enough. She does not CARE whether the meat is safe to eat if it is throughly cooked or not.

  • Da King

    Rev,
    I left this out before. Right in the beginning of your post, you said, "We also know now that the Bush administration ordered torture to be done BEFORE any Justice Department "legal" memos defending those acts of torture had been written."

    This is untrue. Even the link you provided contradicts you. The waterboarding of Zubaydah happened only AFTER the OLC legal memos, not before.

  • averagejoe5

    I love the title of this story. As though Bush was Saddam Huessein.

    I guess we should have some other titiles like
    "Why did Obama Gut the UAW and other Labor Contracts" Thousands lose safety net laborers suffer, Union leaders continue to live high on hog.
    or
    "Why did Bill Clinton Really sign NAFTA and send middle class jobs to other countries" Thought country would benefit from Beanie baby retirement fund craze.
    or
    "Libs defend abortion holocaust, 62,000,000 babies killed in past 30 years"
    or
    "Dem leaders lie about strength of Fannie and Freddie, Banks Collapse" "Millions of American middle class lose homes, those responsible not held accountable."
    or
    "ACLU runs to rescue of people responsible for murder of 2800 innocent Americans. Choose to demand that America respects protection of confessed killers, families of survivors shunned"
    or
    "Dems and ACLU would rather risk American lives than question terrorists that have secret plans to kill more Americans."
    or
    "Obama tries to appoint cabinet to take care of our finances, having trouble, all are tax cheats"

    I know I'm not as smart or well read as some but it seems as though the Dems/libs hate families and America to me. Why? I just don't get it, it seems backwards to me.

  • The Reverend

    First…King's error….

    From the Senate report….

    "On July 17, 2002, according to CIA records, the Director of Central
    Intelligence (DCI) met with the National Security Adviser, who advised that the CIA could proceed with its proposed interrogation of Abu Zubaydah."

    The NSA adviser was none other than Ms. Condi.

    The OLC memos weren't approved until August.

    average…Bush/Cheney were a threat to the entire world, Hussein wasn't a threat to anyone at the time we invaded his country. Draw your own conclusions.

    Most of your suggested headlines are about legislative actions taken by Congress or the courts. That's called democracy in the U.S.

    I'll be covering the "torture saved American lives" slogan again tomorrow. As I expected…the truth is just the opposite of the slogan.

    You're smart enough average….I don't doubt that for a second. I know you don't care much for Democrats, and on some stuff I agree with you.

    What is at stake in the torture discussions is not partisan sniping…..it's the rule of law. I know that conservatives used to be for the rule of law. Now, I'm wondering.

  • The Reverend

    And…..as usual….good stuff from mary.

    "against the law" seems simple enough to understand.

  • frank

    Mr. King,
    Weren't the "enhanced" methods used on American citizen, John Walker Lindh? How about Jose Padilla?

  • Da King

    Rev says, "The CIA and intelligence people supporting torture are either ex-Bushies or neo-cons. What else could we expect from them?"

    George Tenet was a neo-con, a Bushie ? Wrong. He was appointed by Clinton. He was the one who initially asked if he could waterboard, and was the one who actually carried out the waterboarding.

  • Da King

    Correcting Rev's error about the my alleged error (that I didn't make) -

    Rev, you should have read your own material. To the end. Here's the final statement in your link:

    "Days after Miss Rice spoke to Mr Tenet, the Justice Department approved the use of waterboarding in a top secret memo. Abu Zubaydah was subjected to waterboarding some 83 times in August 2002."

    EXACTLY as I said, the waterboarding was not done until the approval from the OLC was given.

  • The Reverend

    I hope you're enjoying the ride on your very own cul-de-sac.

    And what, pray tell, does "days after" mean? In dyslexia-land, does it mean "before."

    If you keep this up….you'll need to supply us with a lexicon defining your terms.

  • averagejoe5

    Why do Libs always attack on a personal level when they are caught or proven wrong? I understood what he meant Rev, pray tell.

  • The Reverend

    Come on average. Condi gave her approval first and then the legal memos followed. That's what the evidence demonstrates.

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