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Always Feeling Sorry For The Rich

by The Reverend on February 1, 2009

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My good blog bud, King, over at All Da King's Men, very often writes about government spending, pointing out, correctly, that government is often recklessly wasteful with federal tax dollars. Hard to disagree.

At the same time, my blog buddy often touts the cutting of taxes, especially for business…..the corporate income tax rate is often criticized by King as being too high, stunting any competitive edge and disincentivizing any expansion.

First, let's look at the actual tax rate for the richest Americans….

The average tax rate paid by the richest 400 Americans fell by a third to 17.2 percent through the first six years of the Bush administration and their average income doubled to $263.3 million, new IRS data show.

The 17.2 percent tax rate in 2006 was the lowest since the IRS began tracking the 400 largest taxpayers in 1992, although the richest 400 Americans paid more tax on an inflation-adjusted basis than any year since 2000.

The drop from 2001’s tax rate of 22.9 percent was due largely to ex-President George W. Bush’s push to cut tax rates on most capital gains to 15 percent in 2003. Via Digby

The horrendous reduction of the capital gains tax rates was objected to by former Bush Treasury Secretary, Paul O'Neil……to which Dick Cheney responded, "We won the election, it's our due." Which suggests to The Reverend that Republican politics is primarily concerned with rewarding America's wealthiest. Imagine that.

And then, contrary to much of the hand-wringing done over corporations carrying too much of the tax burden….we have this….

The news that more than 60 percent of U.S. corporations failed to pay any federal taxes from 1996 through 2000 when corporate profits were soaring and that corporate tax receipts had fallen to just 7.4 percent of overall federal tax revenue in 2003 – the lowest since 1983 and the second-lowest rate since 1934 – is an outrage. But it should come as no surprise to anyone who has been paying attention to national tax policy over the past few years. The General Accounting Office (GAO) report also found that an astonishing 94 percent of corporations reported tax liability of less than 5 percent of their total income during the same time period. Link

An even more recent GAO report….

"About two-thirds of corporations operating in the United States did not pay taxes annually from 1998 to 2005,…" Link

The richest in America have not only gotten a huge windfall over the last decade, as far as paying taxes, but in addition, the one third of big corporations who actually pay taxes have paid income taxes at a 5% rate.

Add to this data the fact that the wealthiest Americans have recently amassed an even larger percentage of our nation's wealth……

From the IRS for the time period 2002-2006…

"The 15,000 families at the top of the income scale saw their annual incomes go from about $15 million a year to nearly $30 million," accounting for more than 25 percent of all of the growth in income for the entire country. The remaining 1.7 million families in the top 1 percent of households accounted for nearly another 50 percent. But while the "top 10 percent of families accounted for 95.3 percent of the nation's income growth between 2002 and 2006," the average real income for families in the bottom 90 percent of households increased by about $300 to a little less than $30,700." Link

How, then, are we supposed to believe that tax rates on corporations and the richest families are much too burdensome and, therefore, should be lowered even further,…or….made permanent at Bush's reduced rates?

It would seem from the empirical data that just the opposite would be the way forward…..the most powerful and the wealthiest should bear more of the tax burden, not less.

What am I missing?

Finally, in light of the above data, how is it even possible to take current GOP leaders seriously when they suggest stuff like this…..

Republicans are calling for economic stimulus that does not increase federal spending. The Republican plan calls for temporary eliminating the capital gains tax on purchases of stocks and other equities, lowering the corporate income tax, and passing the American Energy Act, to boost all phases of domestic energy production. Link

Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, Kyl and their cast of merry men have either followed their GOP Leader, Rush…..and are so mind-blitzed by Oxycontin highs that they can no longer understand basic arithmetic….or read…..or….they only represent a tiny, very rich, segment of America's population.

I'm beginning to think it's both.

  • larry d.

    Wow, stunning statistics. I had no idea the top 400 earners paid almost $50 million in taxes, on average, apiece. Imagine getting that tax bill!

    I'd have to say that's more than any individual's 'fair share.'

  • The Reverend

    How can working people, the 100 million or so out there, believe that filthy rich people shouldn't pay more to help out the country in it's time of economic crisis, a time of crisis those same filthy rich people created?

  • angry conserv

    Those fitlhy rich people you claim created this mess are but bit players compared to the exalted leaders from both sides of the aisle.
    You really do your cause a diservice by being so pedantic. I am beginning to believe your hatred prevents you from thinking clearly(please see my last reply to your last post).

  • Da King

    Thanks for the plug, Rev.

    That was quite a little post you wrote. You omitted enough facts to fill a freight car.

    First, Bush didn't lower the corporate income tax rate, which, at 35%, is the second highest in the world. Not exactly attractive to business.

    Second, you cited 1996-2000 as a period when corporations didn't pay much in taxes. What you left out was, MILLIONS OF JOBS WERE CREATED during that period. What would you rather have, jobs or a government bureaucracy doling out pittances to unemployed persons ???

    Third, when Bush cut the capital gains tax, money flowed into the economy, we had almost five straight years of growth (until the housing bubble exploded), and again, jobs were created. Do you prefer the welfare state over economic growth ?

    Fourth, the main reason a corporation doesn't pay income taxes is because that corporation didn't make a profit. Somehow you failed to mention that too. Corporations losing money isn't of much use, unless you think our current economic picture is the desirable state. I know I don't.

    Fifth, if we don't setup a system that is as friendly as possible to business in this world economy, then someone else will, and they will take away the jobs that Americans could have.

    Sixth, guess how we recovered from the Jimmy Carter stagflation era ? Reagain cut taxes for those rich people you hate so much, and 20 million jobs were created as money flowed into our economy. Even my working class parents, who never made more than $30,000 in their lives, became financially secure during the Reagan years.

    Seventh, socialism doesn't work, Rev. It just doesn't. History illustrates that over and over and over. Implementing confiscatory tax levels is a losing proposition. Always has been, always will be.

    The object isn't to maximize revenue to the government, despite the disinformation the left puts out. The object is to maximize prosperity, which then flows to all our citizens. We used to understand that in this country, Democrats and Republicans alike, but somewhere along the way, some of the Dems started acting like profit was evil. BIG mistake. All you have to do is look at the current recession, where nobody is making a profit, to determine that profit isn't evil at all. It's the abscence of profit that is the real problem, as we're finding out right now.

  • Da King

    Almost forgot….

    "Feeling sorry for the rich" doesn't enter into the equation.

  • Roy

    Feeling sorry for the rich is just a straw man.

    How about giving the people who actually PAY TAXES some of THEIR MONEY BACK because THEY EARNED IT!!

    But I guess with our wealth redistributing president and the worst speaker in US history, that the money these people earn is not really theirs but property of the state. Don't dare question what the state does with your (I mean its) money.

  • larry d.

    Sometimes I wonder if dems just flat out don't like people.

  • The Reverend

    To Roy….cause we need the rich people's money. And perhaps, Roy, the $18.5 Billion bonuses were "earned" too, huh? The nation's economy collapses, banks and investment firms collapse….but even if all of them, and the country, lost trillions…..the Wall Street types still "earned" their Billions.

    And larry….asking the fattest money asses, the same ones who have benefitted outrageously over the last 15 years, to pay a little more….has nothing to do with not liking people. It's just the opposite. By taking more of the rich folks ill-gotten gain and sharing it with America's millions, in a time of great need, proves that Democrats like people.

    You guys must have hated watching Robin Hood, huh?

  • larry d.

    Robin Hood stole from the government, Reverend.

  • averagejoe5

    Larry, They do hate people, but more than that they hate themselves. They are just projecting their self loathing on others to justify their own miserable lives. They complain and moan about rich people but do nothiing to enhance their own riches, except creating more debt for themselves and then bitching because they don't have enough at the end of the month to pay for it. Pathetic.

    Rev, how do you know the $18B in bonus' weren't earned? How many men did it go to? Which companies did they work for? Did they work for the weak banks or did they work for the strong companies on wall street? Did you know that the Ford Executive bonus program was mostly a production bonus not a performance bonus. Did you know that thier executive bonus' came to $4.79 per vehicle. Did you know that even though they were closing factories, Ford had to pay, by Union agreement $675M in bonus's to the union and it's employees and retirees? They got their checks at the end of december. Class warfare is the first step to communism. Obama and crew seem to be pushing that agenda. Do you know the details of their contracts? Do you think these people work for $15 per hour like most miserable, jealous, envious Americans are happy with? This isn't ill-gotten gain? They pay more in taxes than most people make in a lifetime?

    Were George Soros billlions ill-gotten? He took a great deal of cash through his hedge fund that went to the banks through short-selling the dollar in 2007. No one mentions him, I guess because he presented the presidency to Obama on a platter. He made $2.9B in one quarter. He and 4 of his buddies made a total $12B that quarter. How about Al Gore. Ill-gotten gains? Perpetuating a lie that has made him over $100M in 6 months and will cost more American jobs than the current recession. His company funds new green start-ups. Sound fishy? How about Nancy Pelosi? Also perpetuating a lie then forcing California to change all state owned vehicles to natural gas. Guess what, she has a major investment in the Pickens company that is building the filling stations that will fuel those vehicles. Ill-gotten gains? No one is saying. Why? Because just like you savior Obama the christ said today…there are 2 sets of rules and it has to stop.

    Eveyone in America has the opportunity to choose thier own path. Just look at our president. They can stay poor, they can be middle class or they can get rich. It is up to them and only them. They are the masters of their destiny. This is what makes America Great. Each level takes more effort, sad thing 40% of our citizens chose the bottom. THey would rather blame outside circumstances instead of looking in the mirror.

  • The Reverend

    average…..

    It's difficult for me to understand sympathetic discourses for those who received $18 Billion in bonuses, AT THE SAME TIME that the companies for which these bonusees worked needed 100's of billions in tax dollars to save them from liquidation. For some mysterious reason…..I just can't see the reasonableness in that.

    But this….

    "Eveyone in America has the opportunity to choose thier own path. Just look at our president. They can stay poor, they can be middle class or they can get rich. It is up to them and only them. They are the masters of their destiny."

    …is a disappointment. Do Americans REALLY have the opportunity to choose their own path? Do they really have a CHOICE whether to be poor or rich? Do they? A person born in the ghetto and a person born with a billion dollar trust fund both have the same opportunity to choose their own path……both have the choice of being poor or rich? Both are the masters of their own destiny?

    Isn't it true that while all men are created equal in America, according to LAW…..we're not equal in any other regard? All Americans are not intellectually equal, book learning equal, physically equal, abilities equal or equal in many other aspects I could list.

    Based on those obvious inequalities, how could it be possible that all those unequal folks CHOOSE to be rich, poor or middle class?

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