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Insanity

by The Reverend on December 30, 2008

in war on terror

Results of Israeli terrorist attacks in Gaza

Results of Israeli terrorist attacks in Gaza

Israeli air strikes continue to terrorize Palestinians in Gaza. 350 Palestinians are dead, many of them civilians. 4 Israelis have been killed.

Here's Israel's plan…

Israeli says its offensive, which began Saturday, is designed to neutralize the threat posed to southern Israel by Hamas rockets. As the air strikes continued Tuesday, Israeli Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit told Israel Radio: “There is no room for a cease-fire.”

“The government is determined to remove the threat of fire on the south,” he said, referring to rocket attacks on southern Israel by Hamas forces. “Therefore the Israeli army must not stop the operation before breaking the will of Palestinians, of Hamas, to continue to fire at Israel.”

Israel has defined its aims relatively narrowly — the crippling of Hamas’s ability to send rockets into Israel — but has not made clear if it means to topple the leadership of Hamas, which Israel and the United States brand as a terrorist organization.

This is the same Israeli plan that failed miserably in 2006 when it was Hezbollah fighters firing the rockets from the Lebanese border into Israel. Israel failed to "break the will" of those Hezbollah fighters. Israel won't be successful in breaking the will of Hamas either….no matter how many terrorist smart rockets they explode inside the densely populated area of Gaza.

And, naturally…..there's the "collateral" damage….

a mosque where militants often took refuge has been destroyed by Israel, one of five mosques it has hit.

a group of young people, ages 18 to 20, were hit when a missile was aimed at a group of Hamas policemen in the street. According to a statement by United Nations Special Coordinator Robert Serry, eight of the young people, emerging from a United Nations training center, were killed instantly and 19 wounded. Eight of those hurt were in critical condition on Monday. One is awaiting emergency transfer to an Israeli hospital.

an attack on a mosque where militants were hiding also struck a nearby house, killing five girls under the age of 18, health ministry officials said. Link

The BBC reports…

A UN human rights monitor accused Israel of "shocking atrocities".

Richard Falk – the special rapporteur for human rights in the Palestinian territories – said the international community must put more pressure on Israel to end its attacks on Gaza.

"Israel is committing a shocking series of atrocities by using modern weaponry against a defenceless population – attacking a population that has been enduring a severe blockade for many months," Mr Falk said in a BBC interview.

I'm oh-so-sure that killing Palestinian women and children will do wonders in "breaking the will" of Palestinian militants.

Now, let's talk terrorism. Do you think Palestinians in Gaza are terrorized right now? Do you think Gazans consider Israel to be a terrorist nation about now? Can sophisticated airborne military gunships be considered terrorist weaponry…or is terrorist weaponry limited to suicide belts and homemade, unaimable rockets?

Biggest question. Do you think Israel's current military terror attacks in Gaza will lessen the chance for future Palestinian acts of terror?

UPDATE: Glennzilla…

"Anyone minimally objective and well-intentioned finds Hamas rocket attacks on random Israeli civilians to be highly objectionable and wrong, but even among those who do, one finds a wide range of views regarding the Israeli offensive. But not among America's political leadership. There, one finds total, lockstep uniformity almost more unyielding than what one finds among Israeli leaders themselves — as though Israel's wars are, by definition, America's wars; its enemies are our enemies; its disputes and conflicts and interests are, inherently, ours; and America's only duty when Israel fights is to support it uncritically." Link

UPDATE 2: UK Guardian….

"In September, Bush spoke at the United Nations. No cause could justify the deliberate taking of human life, he said. Yet the US has killed thousands of civilians in airstrikes on populated areas. When you drop bombs on populated areas knowing there will be some "collateral" civilian damage, but accepting it as worth it, then it is deliberate. When you impose sanctions, as the US did on Saddam era Iraq, that kill hundreds of thousands, and then say their deaths were worth it, as secretary of state Albright did, then you are deliberately killing people for a political goal. When you seek to "shock and awe", as president Bush did, when he bombed Iraq, you are engaging in terrorism." Link

  • Bubba

    Perhaps the Palestinians should have stopped firing rockets into Israel when given the opportunity. Would the US put up with American Indians firing rockets at towns from their reservations? NO!! Hamas needs to understand that Israel is there, period. Their land is now Israel. Is it fair? NO, but that's the way it is. Sixty years of fighting to get it back really hasn't worked out that well for them. Accept a two state solution or continue to live in squalor and die for Hamas.

  • The Reverend

    "Would the US put up with American Indians firing rockets at towns from their reservations?"

    Unintended irony, I suppose. But you make a good point, Bubba.

    America, like Israel, kept killing Indians, until we grudgingly gave the survivors their own occupied territory.

    And proud we are.

  • mary

    I just watched a video of Brzezinski:being interview by Morning Joe on MSNBC and Brzezinski made a point that until Israel started shooting back no one had been injured by Hamas. Yes Hamas started the whole thing but no one had been injured until Israel started the air strikes. His point being the same as the Reverend's point of overkill by Israel but another good point he made was the impossibility of productive peace talks after all this because of all the civilian death and injuries. He said the US and world needed to avoid the condemnation and choosing sides and become really engaged in the peace process. Good point.

  • The Reverend

    Some Israeli leaders…as well as some American leaders….believe that Muslims can only be kept in check by overwhelming demonstrations of force.

    Thus….shock and awe.

    Overwhelming demonstrations of force by Israel and America against the Muslim world, as we have found out, only makes the extremist problem worse.

    But we keep doing it anyway.

    Like I said…insanity.

  • averagejoe5

    "No one was injured until Israel began protecting herself." Israel's thoughts should have been "hey they are just throwing some bombs into the country, just ignor them, lthey are harmless like mosquitos. We saw what happened on 9-11-2001 after 8 years of Bill CLinton just ignoring intelligence saying that people from the middle east were going to do something to America, even after they tried once to blow up the towers…. the warnings were ignored. Do you think that if Cuba started throwing bombs into the Everglades that America would just ignor them? There would be immediate mass destruction on Cuban soil. Hamas sent ove 5000 missiles into Israel since the treaty was signed. Well kept their work and never broke the treaty and are now taking care of business.

    There have been peace talks in that area for decades even centuries. Have they ever done any good? Who were the ones that broke the treaties that were signed. Not Israel. The Palestinians. After a while talking just doesn't work. Even in our own neighborhoods if the bully, bullies enough people, what happens to him? Do we talk to him? For a while we will kiss his butt while he controls us with threats. But eventually someone a little bigger will come and save the neighborhood.

    This is not Israel's (or the United States) fault. They are being provoked no matter how much you want to villanize and take the side of the criminal terrorists.

    Also Rev, I feel that overwhelming shows of force are what we need to send them a message. Weakness makes them strong. That is why they use terror tactics. Fear of the inknown weakens the spirit of their enemy. They haven't been back here since 911. They will be back when Obama takes over. Obama thinks he can talk to them and negotiate with them and kill them with kindness, just like Jimmy Carter did when Iran held America hostage for 444 days. It took a hard ass like Reagan to make them understand. This type of treatment is as out out dated as the social programs Obama wants to use to bring America out of this reccession.

  • The Reverend

    I couldn't disagree with you more, average….weakness doesn't make them strong….demonstrations of brutal force fuels their cause.

    The ongoing demonstrations of force have only made the extremism problem worse. And to be frank about it, I don't blame Muslims for defending themselves against Judeo-American hegemony.

    The Muslim perspective can't be ignored here. They're humans too.

    If Akron was occupied by Cleveland law enforcement who terrorized and brutalized Akronites, controling their every movement…..what should Akronites do? Hire a lawyer?

  • Da King

    Right Rev. The Israelis should just let Hamas keep firing rockets into their country every day forever, and never respond.

  • The Reverend

    I never said anything like that. Israel wouldn't open up border crossings that they said they would…..Hamas ceased fire for 6 months….nothing changed….are they supposed to just take it?

    Israel should have learned their lesson in Lebanon in 2006….but, apparently, they didn't.

    If an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind…..what would unbridled violence for unbridled violence do?

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