Comments on: George W. Bush: Cruel And Lawless Tyrant

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:03:08 +0000

The neos "create reality". Confusion was intended all along the way, like you say, euphemisms. Muddy the issue purposely.

But it still stands that we have not declared war. All I see are military resolutions for specific purposes. The neos have abused these resolutions and continue to do so. Continually being in a state of war allows for much mischief. That was intended as well.

Distilled down….our federal government has been overthrown the last eight years.

By: frank

frank — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:00:06 +0000

Rev,
Seems to me that the right doesn't get that if a war is not legally declared then it doesn't legally qualify as a war. To say that we are in a state of war is correct but it does not follow that the broader presidential powers claimed by Bush can be permitted in a situation not deemed sufficiently threatening for a formal declaration.
It's time to dispense with the euphemisms. The people we hold are prisoners. They are either prisoners held for committing a crime or they are being held as combatants, aka POWs. Ergo, they are either to be afforded civil protections, or Geneva protections, whether they have anyone's sympathy or not.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:02:59 +0000

And as I continue to insist. There can't really be any POW's if there is no war. There can be no "battlefield" if there is no war.

International police operation. That's all it is.

Not Iraq, of course, that's a colonial takeover.

By: Da King

Da King — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:38:50 +0000

I'll bet you $1,000 right now that the Beacon Journal endorses Obama.

I'd probably believe your statement that "no one wants to let any genuine terrorist loose" if you weren't referring to Gitmo as an "american gulag" at the same time. Btw, have you ever considered the logistics of trying enemy combatants who were pulled off a battlefield in american civilian courts ? It would result in the release of many "genuine terrorists", as we just saw in Great Brittain. We'd have to expose our intelligence and bring our soldiers into courtrooms to testify about things that happened in the heat of battle. It's just an idiotic and unprecedented scenario.

And I hate to break it to you, but a prisoner being released is better than one being granted habeas corpus. Go to any prison and ask any prisoner if he'd rather be released, or if he'd rather be allowed to go in front of a judge and challenge his incarceration. The answer is pretty obvious.

The rule of law has not been tossed into the trash, as I explained previously. That is just something you are saying. It is not the truth. No foreign POW's have EVER been granted habeas corpus in american courts previous to Boumediene. NEVER. Stop lying.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:09:51 +0000

The Beacon, I'm still wagering, won't be able to quit the establishment candidate…..in the current post-Hillary situation, that would be Johnny Mac.

Detaining people in the American gulag, refusing them the basic habeas right, then releasing some of them, is what?….supposed to make America righteous? Ridiculous.

No one….repeat, no one, wants to let any genuine terrorist loose. However, most Americans are not willing to let the rule of law be tossed into the trash by a gang of known White House and affiliated criminals.

The Supremes restored the 900 year old settled human right of habeas. As you know, but have yet to admit, this in no way grants Guantanomo detainees full American citizen rights.

Distort much?

By: Da King

Da King — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:29:13 +0000

The Rev says we are not at war. Interesting viewpoint. I guess those 4,000 american troops died from Middle Eastern sun poisoning.

In related news, Ahmadinejad says, "Holocaust A Myth" !!!

Hey Rev, does this mean the ABJ is no longer the "Brokeback Beacon" ??? I bet they'll also be happy to be out of your "Knee Pad Media" category. Oh happy day.

But I must point out a few things that Mclatchey neglected to mention in it's hit piece on our soldiers and Gitmo.

The prisoners Mclatchey interviewed had all been released by the Bush administration. By definition, that means some kind of case review has been taking place at Gitmo all along. The number of Gitmo prisoners went from 770 in 2002 to 270 now. I don't think all those died of old age. They were released. An additional 80 were scheduled for trial by our military tribunals. At least 30 of those "innocent" released Gitmo POW's returned to the battlefield to fight our soldiers again. Rather than dropping those POW's down a dark hole as Mclatchey suggested, it sounds to me like the U.S. was trying to accomodate them much more than other countries would while the war was still going on.

Oh, I forgot. The Gitmo detainees are all innocent bystanders, guys who just happened to be holding the IED's for the terrorists while the terrorists were taking a leak. Sorry.

And, could it EVER be possible that any Taliban or Al Qaeda members would LIE about what took place during their detainment at Gitmo when they are being interviewed by the american liberal media ???? No, I'm sure they are too honest and righteous to even think of such a thing. Everyone knows what great guys they are.

With the Supreme Court's Boumediene ruling granting terrorists the right of american citizens, I know I'm sure looking forward to the next Johnny Cochran-type lawyer using the "If the bomb don't fit, you must acquit" defense for some Al Qaeda scumbag. What a great day for america. Can't you just smell the justice ?

Do you think the ACLU will represent Bin Laden if he's caught ? Pro Bono, of course.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:11:26 +0000

Mr. or Mrs. Locke says we're at war. Perhaps a declaration of war could be produced. Perhaps not. I'm betting no.

Ah, yes…the sixties. When young men and women weren't so gullible and saw and understood the establishment powers for what they were.

Today, instead of challenging the establishment powers….the young work for the establishment powers and yearn to BE the establishment powers. That's very special.

I detect bitterness……hey, I didn't order the torture and the crimes….Dear Leader did.

Little known fact of GOP life: If polls show Democrats ahead….they're meaningless. If polls show GOP'ers ahead…..they're substantive. Hard to figure….just how it is.

Ben: It will still take a few weeks for the poll distillation to give us a product close to reality.

By: Locke

Locke — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:40:49 +0000

You would be the first to blamestorm had we been attacked in the years post 9-11. Have you ever acknowledged that we are in a war and not empire building? I'd love to have a time machine that could send you back to the 60's where you belong. Better yet, you might want to visit the 40's to see how long you would last before the greatest generation deported you to Russia.

BTW – polling data in June is meaningless, manufactured news. Nothing more.

By: Ben Keeler

Ben Keeler — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:08:15 +0000

Polls that show Obama up by 4% in Florida make me a tad skeptical. to my knowledge that is the first poll anywhere that has shown McCain trailing Obama in Florida.