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Strange Thinking

by The Reverend on April 23, 2008

in 2008 election,Barack Obama,Hillary Clinton,John McCain

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Barack Obama lost to Hillary Clinton in the Pennsylvania primary yesterday by 10%. Twice what I predicted. I must not have prayed fervently enough. Anyway, I was mistaken. I don't follow Bush, The Younger's template…..I admit error and move forward.

The primaries continue on to the remaining states with virtually no hope for Clinton to emerge as the nominee, barring the fracture of the Democratic Party, and really, what good would that accomplish?

However….and there's always a however,…..there has come to my recent attention a sort of bizarre line of "reasoning" coming from alleged Democratic voters.

Exit polling from last night's Pa. primary….

"In a startling finding, only 53% of Clinton supporters say they'd vote for Obama against McCain, while 69% of Obama backers would vote for her as the nominee." Link

From today's Akron Beacon Journal writer, Stephanie Warsmith…..

"Nicole Hinchcliffe…plans to vote for McCain if Clinton doesn't win the nomination. She'd prefer having McCain as president rather than Obama….'I would rather have eight more years of the same than eight years of what he would bring,' Hinchcliffe said."

This line of thinking, I would suggest, is not rational thinking at all. Whatever motivates an alleged Democratic voter to think like this cannot be anchored in objective reality or fact. Of course, every American has the right to not think objectively when picking a candidate…..but I find this very odd….bordering on the bizarre.

Let's review.

Knee Pad Media have excused their smear by association questionings and their overall majoring on trivial minors in their "reporting" on the Democratic primary by saying that the differences between Hillary and Obama's policies are miniscule.

Both candidates are pro-choice, pro-working families, pro-ending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest, pro health care for all, pro-ending our occupation of Iraq, pro-nomination of progressive Supreme Justices. All basic Democratic Party bolierplate. Basing choices on policy positions alone would seemingly lead a Democratic voter to find satisfaction in either Democratic candidate.

John McCain is anti-choice, anti-working families, anti-eliminating those big tax cuts for the wealthy, pro-lobbyist, anti-health care for all while pro-health savings accounts tax schemes, pro-staying in Iraq, pro-Bush Doctrine of unilateral pre-emptive wars of choice, pro-nominating Roberts and Alito-like 19th century throwbacks to the Court. McCain would stay the course of the 69% disapproved of worst president in American history. The furthest distance from change one could imagine.

So…policy wise….a Democratic voter wold still have a clear, distinctive choice if Obama is the nominee. I don't think this is even arguable.

The exit polling numbers from Pennsylvania and comments like Nicole Hinchcliffe's suggest that if Hillary voters don't get their way, they would rather choose 8 more years of George Walker Bush. Is this simply sour grapes or is there more to it than that?

How, with the obvious distinctions between both Democrats on one side and McCain on the other, could a Democratic Hillary supporter say they wouldn't vote for Obama, but instead McCain….if Hillary isn't the nominee? It makes no sense….unless policy is not the basis on which these "Democratic" voters decide.

I fully support each voter's free choice to vote anyway they desire, I do. Given the clear and vital differences found in both Democratic candidates weighed against John McCain's positions….I'm tempted to suggest that there's a whiff of racial undertone in any suggestion that Hillary and McCain are acceptable, but Obama is not.

To those who would suggest I'm only being predictable…..I would ask….how can you explain this? What sense could it possibly make to vote for 4 or 8 more years of historic failure when both Democratic candidates basically agree on the new direction our country needs to follow?

  • 2 cents

    At this point in time, this Democrat will WRITE IN Hillary on the ballot—because I would rather abide by my convictions than to capitulate in this election—unless I see demonstrable evidence that Obama is truly ready and ceases to pretend to be the person he seems to me to not be, then I will just have to go with my educated opinion.

    I truly do find Obama to be weak and shaky and says one thing then does another. My opinion has nothing to do with the color of his skin, but the content of his character.

    I would vote for Hillary if she were a black man, too, as she is by far the better candidate.

    This Presidency is not a dress rehearsal—this is the real thing.

    Let Obama practice some more—I am NOT willing to use the Presidency of this country as a practice time for a newby—
    any change of President is change—enough of that bullcrap already.

  • larry d.

    If I'm reading you correctly:

    When white democrats don't vote for Barack, they're obviously voting race. When black voters vote for Barack at a 90 percent clip, it's got nothing to do with race. In fact, even mentioning that fact is racist.

    Of course it is predictable, Reverend as once again you've got everything completely backward.

  • Roy

    Perhaps they would vote for McCain over B. Hussein Obama because they are not the blind, hyperpartisan, daily-kos reading sheep you are rev?

  • Andrea2

    I hate to say it but I do believe their are certain woman who are very sore losers. I have seen this to be the case as in my sister a Hillary supporters. They seem to think it is a personal attack against woman. Hillary was the media's darling last fall and practically had the coronation coming into the primary season. They hate the fact that a man stole her crown away, especially a black man. Sad very sad but since I am a woman I can say it but you better not.

  • anne

    Dear Strange,
    You hit the nail right on the head, but why would you begin to think that most, all, or any voters use logic and reasoning only when choosing a candidate??? People often vote against their own self-interest, without all the facts, and/or largely on emotion. I don't think this election will be any different unless the economy takes a severe plunge and then almost everyone will vote in their own self-interest, based on what kind of largesse the politicans promise. In that case, we can run up our deficits to even more unimaginable numbers.

  • larry d.

    "Reverend Strange" has a nice ring to it.

  • The Reverend

    anne: I know that the Democratic voters in our great land are the people of reality, of thought processes, of science and enlightenment. The Republican voters of this great country…not so much.

    For Democrats to argue that McCain would be better than Obama if Hillary can't win….is self-defeating and indefensible. Simply to argue on faith based personal emotion, detached from facts, is kind of childish…..as my friend Andrea pointed out.

    Sadly though, your comment was spot on.

  • The Reverend

    No, my dyslexic buddy….I don't have it backwards….

    "When white democrats don't vote for Barack, they're obviously voting race. When black voters vote for Barack at a 90 percent clip, it's got nothing to do with race. In fact, even mentioning that fact is racist."

    No and no. You've attempted to change my subject. You need to pray the Rosary for penance.

    I said there is no defense for Democrats saying they would vote for McCain, still a freaking Republican, instead of Obama. No defense. Perhaps Pennsylvania whites wouldn't vote for a black….just as many other American whites won't vote for a black. But for a Democrat to change sides because the Democratic candidate isn't Hillary, but instead, is a black man…that's stupidity, no matter what the reason is.

  • larry d.

    You know, you're right. My apologies.

    But it could be anti-secrect-Muslim-agent-for-revolution-from-the-top sentiment as well.

  • Da King

    Rev,
    Maybe this will help. You said,

    "the Democratic voters in our great land are the people of reality, of thought processes, of science and enlightenment. The Republican voters of this great country…not so much."

    If I said there was no reason for that attitude of yours other than racism, would you buy it ? No, you wouldn't.

    Not everyone thinks like you do, Rev (thank goodness). Many see Obama as totally lacking in experience, shallow, and are troubled by his 20-year connection to the racist Rev. Wright. Voting for such a person isn't in anyone's best interest, and certainly not the best interests of the country.

    And I say this as someone who had a great deal of interest in Obama initially, before I discovered what he really had to offer.

  • The Reverend

    Obama may be a lot of things….shallow ain't one of them. He's the smartest guy in the room. The "lack of experience" argument is full of holes as well. Think JFK.

    And Bush, The Younger's lack of experience didn't seem to stop voters from putting him into a job he was totally unqualified for and uninterested in. As he has since proven.

    But of course the racial mouse trap created from whole cloth by the screechers….Rev. Wright….."troubles" conservatives. It troubles them because they believe, erroneously of course, that America is exceptional above all countries. Therefore any criticism, and especially vocalized so prominently, of America's multitude of sins….simply cannot be tolerated.

    And it doesn't matter that Obama wasn't the guy saying these things…..it doesn't matter to dishonest conservatives who are attempting to defeat Obama. Because Obama stayed in that church, somehow, now he is a Jew hating, un-patriot, Islamic sympathizer who loves communism.

    Your entire party, joined incestuously at the hip with suck-job media, has become nothing but one big national infestation of Swiftboat liars and bullsh*t merchants.

    larry: "anti-secret-Muslim agent…" I wonder what could have made anyone think that Obama is really a 'secret-Muslim agent'.

    I wonder.

  • larry d.

    Maybe his racist anti-Semitic ideology?

  • The Reverend

    Yeah, that must be it.

    Don't forget his anti-white ideology. Mustn't forget that.

  • Da King

    Rev,
    I know you're in the tank for Obama, but seriously, take a breath and try to get in touch with planet earth. You tell me to "think JFK" in reference to Obama. Yes, that's what Obama wants us to think also, but JFK would agree with me much more often than he'd agree with Barack Obama. Those two men are starkly different.

    JFK wanted to decrease the income tax rates on the wealthiest people in america, because he realized oppressive taxation on the wealthy inhibited economic growth. JFK was the direct opposite of Obama there. Ditto for capital gains taxes. Obama is a closet socialist. JFK believed in capitalism (before Democrats lost their minds and set our country on a 40+ year odyssey of liberal insanity, resulting in the destruction of the very people they were supposed to be helping).

    JFK acted to stop communism in Vietnam and confronted it in Cuba. Obama wants to pull out of Iraq, which would be caving to Iran.

    From an experience standpoint, JFK had a degree in international affairs from Harvard, and wrote a thesis about the incorrectness of appeasing pre-war Germany that was later published as a book. Obama wrote a book about himself. JFK served in WWII as a PT boat commander. He also spent 6 years in the House of Representatives and 8 years in the Senate before he ran for president. Obama has no military experience, and spent 5 minutes in the Senate before he started running for president. Obama has no business experience, no management experience, and no economic experience. He has no significant legislative accomplishments. He made one anti-war speech in 2002 that is prescient in hindsight (so let's make him president, rah, rah, rah !!! Absurd). Obama is actually a creation of that shallow media that you allege to hate so much. The unexamined media love with the IDEA of a Barack Obama is why he is where he is. He has NO business being the president. It would be like McDonalds hiring a college graduate with no business experience and then immediately making him the CEO. Give me a break already. Stop the insanity. Rev. Wright, Ayers, Rezko, bittergate, etc. only serve to raise further questions about his character. None of those things exclude Obama from being president in my mind, but they do shed some light on who he is and what he stands for, which is – left wing politics. That's legitimate, though I admit, if I see one more Jeremiah Wright tirade on tv, I may throw a brick through the set. The media beats a story to death, because it's easier than doing any real journalism in the era of 24/7 news.

  • larry d.

    JFK was addicted to amphetamines due to injuries suffered in the war. Obama claims he did 'a little blow' to gain street cred with real black people.

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